O/T DH

It is possible that he is over the age of 62 so that he can get his
retirement benefit while the disablity is being processed. Then if he
is approved for disability, a recalculation will be done.

The process of applying for disability leaves the medical decision to
a separate agency of the individual states. SSA takes the medical
information and processes the non-medical portions of the claim. The
state agencies determine if the disability meets the critera of
rendering the person unable to perform substantial gainful employment
(not only the job you had, but any job).

On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:23:08 -0500, "Leslie& The Furbabies in MO."
wrote:

Kathy, this sounds rather unusual. First of all, they do not pay you for
the first six months from the date of disability- which cannot be until some
date after he quit working. And I am surprised they would indicate it would
be 'no problem' since they have no authority to make a decision. It may be
'no problem' to make an application but......

I'm sorry to be a party-pooper but please double check with SS that there
wasn't some misunderstanding. I wish you all the very best and a quick
decision on your applications.

Leslie & The Furbabies in MO.

"GrammyKathy" wrote in message
...
DH went to the SS office yesterday and signed up. They said there
will be no problem of him not only getting it but will be paid back to
Feb. when he stopped working. They told him to tell me to come in and
apply so I told him to make me an appointment Thank you for all the
prayers and keep them comeing cause they sure are working.

Yes, at that age it should be a shoo-in... I agree. After age 57 or 58 (I
forget which it is) we are advanced aged workers or some such unflattering
designation- and it is almost guaranteed you will be approved.

Leslie & The Furbabies in MO.

"Witchystitcher" wrote in message
...
It is possible that he is over the age of 62 so that he can get his
retirement benefit while the disablity is being processed. Then if he
is approved for disability, a recalculation will be done.

The process of applying for disability leaves the medical decision to
a separate agency of the individual states. SSA takes the medical
information and processes the non-medical portions of the claim. The
state agencies determine if the disability meets the critera of
rendering the person unable to perform substantial gainful employment
(not only the job you had, but any job).

On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:23:08 -0500, "Leslie& The Furbabies in MO."
wrote:

Kathy, this sounds rather unusual. First of all, they do not pay you for
the first six months from the date of disability- which cannot be until
some
date after he quit working. And I am surprised they would indicate it
would
be 'no problem' since they have no authority to make a decision. It may
be
'no problem' to make an application but......

I'm sorry to be a party-pooper but please double check with SS that there
wasn't some misunderstanding. I wish you all the very best and a quick
decision on your applications.

Leslie & The Furbabies in MO.

"GrammyKathy" wrote in message
...
DH went to the SS office yesterday and signed up. They said there
will be no problem of him not only getting it but will be paid back to
Feb. when he stopped working. They told him to tell me to come in and
apply so I told him to make me an appointment Thank you for all the
prayers and keep them comeing cause they sure are working.

On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:53:44 +0000, NightMist
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:48:33 -0700, GrammyKathy wrote:



Unless you are 65 don't count on it.

Actually 62 or 60 if widow or widower. In that case, you would get the
reduced retirement payment until the Disability claim is processed.
Then the amount would be recalculated and you would get any back
money.
Nine times out of ten you will have to go to court to get SSI.

SSI (Supplemental Security Income) is different from SSA Disability.
SSI is a program based on financial need. In 1974, the Social Security
Administration took over needs based Aid to Aged and Disabled from the
individual states. (Welfare payments) This became SSI. SSA Disability
is a payment based on your earnings and FICA payments and is not
dependent on need.

No problem usually means that they think the application process will be
smooth and that you should indeed get it, but you will probably have to
go to court anyway. It is just the way the system works. After you get
it they will back pay to the date of the initial application though.

Having worked in the past for SSA for 12 years, this is not the way it
works. Very few cases went to court. There were many that went to a
Hearing Examiner though, which is less formal and less costly than
court and can be done without a lawyer. Even if you use a lawyer, SSA
limits the fee and he cannot charge you more.

I know exactly two people who got it without having to go to court.
Ash got it no questions asked.
I got it on my second application. I didn't know about the court thing
on my first application, and not going to court earned me a visit from a
social worker who yelled at me for not contesting the decision. The same
worker was boggled when they just approved the second application.
My little brother had to go to court, and he is paralyzed from the waist
down!
Except for the chosen few (I think it is a lottery or something because
it often makes no sense regarding who breezes through) _everybody_ has to
go to court to get SSI.
Disability is defined as the inability to do substanial gainful
employment for a period of at least 12 months. This means not only
your own job, but any job you might qualify for.

I did see many claims initially that should have been approved, but
were overturned by a hearings examiner (not court). In 12 years, only
4 cases I handled actually went to court. Three were again turned
down, one approved. I also saw many claims denied for failure to
furnish evidence. Considering the fact that you do not have to furnish
medical records, just names, addresses and phone number of doctors, it
is surprising how many people didn't even do that. Also, claims were
denied for not meeting non-medical requirements (in the case of SSI,
not furnishing proofs needed to establish need and for Social Security
Disability, not having the requisite number of years of employment.

I don't know if this policy has changed, but we used to have a policy
of not allowing claimants to fill out their own application. If that
is still in effect, make sure you read what you are signing.


NightMist

I ad an Aunt and an Uncle who had both had strokes before age 62. They
were both on disability, she used a cane on her left side and could
not speak, he used a cane on his right side. Neither got around very
easily and an other uncle took them shopping, mowed their grass, etc.

They both got letters saying that they had been on disability to long
and that they were being terminated. The other uncle told my Dad what
was going to happen and he said that they should both be taken to the
SS office right away. As soon as the SS people saw them they were
reinstated. Nothing was pretended, both folks were almost child like
and the Uncle would cry while the Aunt could only say ****, ****, ****
and no for yes and yes for no!

They were quit the pair! And family members tried to help as much as
they could, visiting, making special meals, etc.



On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:53:44 +0000, NightMist
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:48:33 -0700, GrammyKathy wrote:

DH went to the SS office yesterday and signed up. They said there will
be no problem of him not only getting it but will be paid back to Feb.
when he stopped working. They told him to tell me to come in and apply
so I told him to make me an appointment Thank you for all the prayers
and keep them comeing cause they sure are working.

Unless you are 65 don't count on it.
Nine times out of ten you will have to go to court to get SSI.
No problem usually means that they think the application process will be
smooth and that you should indeed get it, but you will probably have to
go to court anyway. It is just the way the system works. After you get
it they will back pay to the date of the initial application though.

I know exactly two people who got it without having to go to court.
Ash got it no questions asked.
I got it on my second application. I didn't know about the court thing
on my first application, and not going to court earned me a visit from a
social worker who yelled at me for not contesting the decision. The same
worker was boggled when they just approved the second application.
My little brother had to go to court, and he is paralyzed from the waist
down!
Except for the chosen few (I think it is a lottery or something because
it often makes no sense regarding who breezes through) _everybody_ has to
go to court to get SSI.

NightMist

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:55:47 -0400, Bonnie Patterson
wrote:

Snip
They both got letters saying that they had been on disability to long
and that they were being terminated. The other uncle told my Dad what
was going to happen and he said that they should both be taken to the
SS office right away.

The only way that would happen is if they did not furnish the
information that was requested for a periodic review. Most younger
workers are scheduled for periodic reviews.

They were quit the pair! And family members tried to help as much as
they could, visiting, making special meals, etc.



On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:53:44 +0000, NightMist
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:48:33 -0700, GrammyKathy wrote:

DH went to the SS office yesterday and signed up. They said there will
be no problem of him not only getting it but will be paid back to Feb.
when he stopped working. They told him to tell me to come in and apply
so I told him to make me an appointment Thank you for all the prayers
and keep them comeing cause they sure are working.

Unless you are 65 don't count on it.
Nine times out of ten you will have to go to court to get SSI.
No problem usually means that they think the application process will be
smooth and that you should indeed get it, but you will probably have to
go to court anyway. It is just the way the system works. After you get
it they will back pay to the date of the initial application though.

I know exactly two people who got it without having to go to court.
Ash got it no questions asked.
I got it on my second application. I didn't know about the court thing
on my first application, and not going to court earned me a visit from a
social worker who yelled at me for not contesting the decision. The same
worker was boggled when they just approved the second application.
My little brother had to go to court, and he is paralyzed from the waist
down!
Except for the chosen few (I think it is a lottery or something because
it often makes no sense regarding who breezes through) _everybody_ has to
go to court to get SSI.

NightMist

On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 10:07:48 -0500, Taria wrote
(in article ):

....and there still is a ton of fraud. go figure. Anyone that thinks
government can do anything well is loony tunes.

Taria



Thanks. I delude myself sometimes into thinking I *am* doing something.

Maureen

As I said they were both very childlike and may not have paid any
attention to their mail until they got the termination notice. Their
only child paid all of their bills, phone, electric, water, sewage.
they only had basic bills and she had them sent to her as she lived in
a different state.

On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 11:26:15 -0400, Witchystitcher wrote:
Snip
They both got letters saying that they had been on disability to long
and that they were being terminated. The other uncle told my Dad what
was going to happen and he said that they should both be taken to the
SS office right away.

The only way that would happen is if they did not furnish the
information that was requested for a periodic review. Most younger
workers are scheduled for periodic reviews.

They were quit the pair! And family members tried to help as much as
they could, visiting, making special meals, etc.

"Witchystitcher" wrote in message
...

Actually 62 or 60 if widow or widower. In that case, you would get the
reduced retirement payment until the Disability claim is processed.
Then the amount would be recalculated and you would get any back
money.
Nine times out of ten you will have to go to court to get SSI.

SSI (Supplemental Security Income) is different from SSA Disability.
SSI is a program based on financial need. In 1974, the Social Security
Administration took over needs based Aid to Aged and Disabled from the
individual states. (Welfare payments) This became SSI. SSA Disability
is a payment based on your earnings and FICA payments and is not
dependent on need.
Having worked in the past for SSA for 12 years, this is not the way it
works. Very few cases went to court. There were many that went to a
Hearing Examiner though, which is less formal and less costly than
court and can be done without a lawyer. Even if you use a lawyer, SSA
limits the fee and he cannot charge you more.
Disability is defined as the inability to do substanial gainful
employment for a period of at least 12 months. This means not only
your own job, but any job you might qualify for.

I did see many claims initially that should have been approved, but
were overturned by a hearings examiner (not court). In 12 years, only
4 cases I handled actually went to court. Three were again turned
down, one approved. I also saw many claims denied for failure to
furnish evidence. Considering the fact that you do not have to furnish
medical records, just names, addresses and phone number of doctors, it
is surprising how many people didn't even do that. Also, claims were
denied for not meeting non-medical requirements (in the case of SSI,
not furnishing proofs needed to establish need and for Social Security
Disability, not having the requisite number of years of employment.

I don't know if this policy has changed, but we used to have a policy
of not allowing claimants to fill out their own application. If that
is still in effect, make sure you read what you are signing.


Thanks for posting. It's always good to get information from someone who
knows the way things work, to counter anecdotes that don't always provide
all the information. And I'm not saying anyone's being deceptive, I'm
saying that there may be reasons for what happened that aren't apparent.

I do get really annoyed sometimes at the same old canards about government
and government workers. Mom gets Medicare, and so did Dad before he died.
Mom has always handled the paperwork and she never seems to have any
problems with Medicare - it's her private, supplemental insurance that's
been the pain. So I would have no qualms about government healthcare. I do
have plenty of qualms about corporate greed, however.

Iris