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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 03:59:15 GMT in rec.crafts.jewelry ted frater
, intended to write something intelligible, but instead wrote : Frosty wrote: On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 05:38:37 GMT in rec.crafts.jewelry Abrasha , pulled fingers out of his butt and stuck 'em in his mouth and said gsrmuumfmdmurmmscommwuummm: Peter W.. Rowe, wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:47:45 -0800, in rec.crafts.jewelry Abrasha wrote: Frosty wrote: Anyway it's an unbelievable substance that I put on my sawblades and it helps me cut straighter and easier and I don't break sawblades hardly at all (and I use 9/0 blades mostly.) A total waste of money. Spit is the best lubricant. Just lick your saw blades. Never fails. I've been doing it for more than 30 years. And after the first few years, either you learn to lick the blade in the downward direction, or the cuts stop hurting so much in any case. personally, I prefer bur life over spit, especially on drill bits. Seems less messy. Not that it works better, though... On drill bits, I use Wintergreen oil. I can't find genuine Wintergreen oil. Will synthetic do? one "tongue-in-cheek" problem with spit, of course, is that it might cause a blade to rust. Rust has never been a problem, since the blades do not stay wet long enough. Thew spit evaporates due to the heat developed through friction. That's how fast I saw. And when I file, it gets so hot, sparks fly! You must be sawing steel. ;-) That might mean needing to change the blade more than once a year or so, before the teeth are totally worn off. Most of the time, my blades do indeed wear out and get dull, before they break. It was very different when I was a beginner. If you really want to see sparks fly try sawing lighter flint. you can get it in big blocks from a backwoods mens shop. Can you post a URL please? |
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Frosty schrieb:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 05:38:37 GMT in rec.crafts.jewelry Abrasha , pulled fingers out of his butt and stuck 'em in his mouth and said gsrmuumfmdmurmmscommwuummm: =20 Peter W.. Rowe, wrote: On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:47:45 -0800, in rec.crafts.jewelry Abrasha wrote: Frosty wrote: Anyway it's an unbelievable substance that I put on my sawblades a= nd it helps me cut straighter and easier and I don't break sawblades hardly at all (and I use 9/0 blades mostly.) A total waste of money. Spit is the best lubricant. Just lick you= r saw=20 blades. Never fails. I've been doing it for more than 30 years. And after the first few years, either you learn to lick the blade in = the downward direction, or the cuts stop hurting so much in any case. personally, I prefer bur life over spit, especially on drill bits. S= eems less messy. Not that it works better, though... On drill bits, I use Wintergreen oil. =20 I can't find genuine Wintergreen oil. Will synthetic do? one "tongue-in-cheek" problem with spit, of course, is that it might = cause a blade to rust. =20 Rust has never been a problem, since the blades do not stay wet long=20 enough. Thew spit evaporates due to the heat developed through=20 friction. That's how fast I saw. And when I file, it gets so hot,=20 sparks fly! =20 You must be sawing steel. ;-) That might mean needing to change the blade more than once a year or so, before the teeth are totally worn off.=20 Most of the time, my blades do indeed wear out and get dull, before th= ey=20 break. It was very different when I was a beginner. =20 =20 For sawing gold/whitegold/platinum and silver I use spit or beewax wich i= s=20 attached to my workbench, so it=C2=B4s easy to put the sawblade through i= t, from=20 time to time. With best regards, Heinrich Butschal --=20 Estate Jewelry http://www.schmuck-boerse.com Famous antique Jewelry http://www.royal-magazin.de Goldsmith signet rings http://www.meister-atelier.de Firmengeschenke und Ehrennadeln http://www.schmuckfabrik.de |
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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 06:16:46 +0000, Abrasha wrote:
Those hand files are all #3, and they stink, ... big time. Not even useful as nail files. After using a #2 as a nail file....I can't imagine a #3. matthew (owner of expensive nail files) ohio |
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Abrasha wrote:
Hand files in medium are like buying nail files. And half round is shape you will not use a lot. For the few times, that you will need a half round, you're better off using a "Mizzy" wheel. Faster, and cheaper. Medium cut hand files are useless, they take forever to cut through metal. Buy the coarsest hand file you can find. I use a 12" 0 cut for my rough cuts. Goes through gold and silver in seconds. That sucker weighs about a pound. I'll post a picture of it on my site in the next day or so. All my hand files are 0 cut. Anything finer is no good for a hand file. Here it is. http://www.abrasha.com/misc/bigfile.htm Is that a big file, ... or what? Uh, btw, my nick name is "six eyes" -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:15:01 -0800, in rec.crafts.jewelry Abrasha
wrote: Here it is. http://www.abrasha.com/misc/bigfile.htm Is that a big file, ... or what? Uh, btw, my nick name is "six eyes" -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com Not bad. though I've got a few that are bigger. I'll also say they aren't so useful at the bench. You've kinda got to be standing up, with the work in a vise, to use both hands, for the really big ones. Good for woodworking more than jewelry... Nice photo. And, shouldn't you be adding, for safety, a full face shield to that rig? The optivisors don't cover absolutely everything... (you DID say you file aggressively enough to shoot off sparks and all, so I'm thinking the same precautions recommended for grinders and drill presses apply...) Or do you just like to live on the wild and dangerous side? :-) Peter |
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Peter W.. Rowe, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:15:01 -0800, in rec.crafts.jewelry Abrasha wrote: Here it is. http://www.abrasha.com/misc/bigfile.htm Is that a big file, ... or what? Uh, btw, my nick name is "six eyes" -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com Not bad. though I've got a few that are bigger. I'll also say they aren't so useful at the bench. I use mine at the bench all the time. I find it very useful. You've kinda got to be standing up, with the work in a vise, to use both hands, for the really big ones. Not so with mine at all. As I said, I use it at the bench all the time. I also use it standing up, but never with precious metal in the vise. Good for woodworking more than jewelry... No, this is a metal file, not a wood rasp. Nice photo. It's nice what a digital camera and a tripod can do quickly. -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:11:01 -0800, in rec.crafts.jewelry Abrasha
wrote: Peter W.. Rowe, wrote: On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:15:01 -0800, in rec.crafts.jewelry Abrasha wrote: Here it is. http://www.abrasha.com/misc/bigfile.htm Is that a big file, ... or what? Uh, btw, my nick name is "six eyes" -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com Not bad. though I've got a few that are bigger. I'll also say they aren't so useful at the bench. I use mine at the bench all the time. I find it very useful. You've kinda got to be standing up, with the work in a vise, to use both hands, for the really big ones. Not so with mine at all. As I said, I use it at the bench all the time. I also use it standing up, but never with precious metal in the vise. Good for woodworking more than jewelry... No, this is a metal file, not a wood rasp. I have a number that seem similar to yours, which I too use at the bench. The one I was thinking of though, has an overall length, including the handle, of about 24 inches. The toothed area is a bit under 15 inches of that. The face of the file is 1.5 inches wide, and the thing is 3/8th inch thick. The result is a file that weighs in at just shy of three pounds, and THAT's what makes it cumbersome to use with just one hand at the bench. Not impossible, just tiring, and just a bit larger than I need at the bench. The cut isn't a rasp at all, but a pretty standard ******* or coarser mill file (not sure which. It's not marked) I actually used it the most when I was filing things while spinning on a lathe (needed tapers, on a lathe not equipped to do that, so I'd turn little steps, then file out the steps still on the lathe. Those items were metal. These days, though, without such a lathe, the file gets more use on wood. No real reason, it just seems to. Maybe the coolest part about it was it's cost. this was in 1989, mind you, but MSC had this special on chinese made files. A hundred assorted files for fifty dollars. That's 50 cents per file. This baby was one of them. cheers Peter |
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