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OT - The Greatest Disaster the World Has Ever Known.



 
 
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  #31  
Old January 1st 05, 02:07 AM
melinda
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Kalera Stratton wrote:
I think that one thing we should all realize is that, as many people
have died in these tsunamis, the potential for many times that many to
die of disease, starvation, exposure, and contaminated drinking water is
huge, and that is why aid is so desperately needed. 40,000 is actually
not that many people on a global scale, but this disaster could still
claim hundreds of thousands of lives if we (the global "we") don't get
it cleaned up fast enough.


last report I heard it had claimed 115 000 already and there's still
areas of Ache that have not been reached.

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Old January 1st 05, 03:56 AM
Christina Peterson
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And hopping back and forth between two of your topics, Kalera, not only did
"we" war against the indigenous people, we also decimated them with disease.
Measles went through many villages killing 60%-80% of populations, including
every single life in many villages.

Just plain measles.

Tina


"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
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I think that one thing we should all realize is that, as many people
have died in these tsunamis, the potential for many times that many to
die of disease, starvation, exposure, and contaminated drinking water is
huge, and that is why aid is so desperately needed. 40,000 is actually
not that many people on a global scale, but this disaster could still
claim hundreds of thousands of lives if we (the global "we") don't get
it cleaned up fast enough.
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  #33  
Old January 1st 05, 06:33 AM
Christina Peterson
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Oh, I don't think there was any intent. I think feelings are hurt by
mistake. I don't think there's a single person here who wants to hurt
anyone else here.

Tina


"Dr. Sooz" wrote in message
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~~~~You did sound like you were attacking Vicki, but that's
not a thing you would do, and I'm glad it wasn't your intent.~~~~
Went back. Read the post. Still see no attack.



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Old January 1st 05, 07:12 AM
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~~~~~~Went back. Read the post. Still see no attack.

Please don't feed the Prejudices. It's views like that which make the
Moslems of the world hate us in the first place.
Arondelle~~~~

Yes. I read it (I can read). Still see no attack. It says "Please
don't feed the Prejudices. It's views like that which make the Moslems
of the world hate us in the first place." That's not an attack. If
you think it is, you would have to be paranoid.

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Old January 1st 05, 09:14 AM
Kalera Stratton
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Go Marisa

it's your birthday

We're gonna party

like it's your birthday!


Marisa Cappetta wrote:
yes, but they also have a completely different culture than what we
had. and they're doing a VERY good job of taking our jobs at the
moment.


Taking? Corporations are sending the jobs. Heaven help big business if these
workers start to form unions. Cheap lobour will disappear and then the
already eroding middle class of 'modern' countries will erode even further
as the playing field levels. When that happens there will be a gearing up in
shift in the political and economic balance that I can see happening now.
It suits government and business to have you believe that third world
countries are 'taking jobs'. It's the Zaphod Beeblbrox philosophy of
politics - it distracts you from what is actually going on. There is no such
thing as continued Status Quo. Look at Russia - the last 100 years is a
micro-history of the global condition since we first stood on our hind legs.
The USA has been a strong economic and politcal force in the last 75 years
or so. It seems like forever but realistically, that's all it is. Before
that it was Britain. Spain, Egypt, Byzantium, Incans and so forth have had
their day. We can bitch, carp and moan all we like about change, but it's
inevitable. China has been the sleeping economic giant that is now
awakening. Japan, the economic miracle of the latter half of the 20th
centuary, is seeing the first cracks. Globally we're on the leading edge of
change. It's all very interesting, is it not?

As for terrorism, all races and religions are guilty. Just because it
happened in the past does not excuse it. The Native American. The Australian
Aboriginals (did you know that the original Tasmanians were completely wiped
out - is this not genocide?). The Maori. The Crusades. The Moors. The
Romans. The Vandals. The Visigoths. To name a few. Depending on which side
of the struggle you were on, you were either the innocent victim, the
saviour of your creed or the oppressor. I feel for families on both sides
who have lost loved ones. I wish it would all stop. But I'm realistic enough
to know that the struggle has been waging back and forth for centuries. It's
the ugly side of being human and will continue as long as it is in our
nature to colonise. From what I see, it still is. We're a complicated
species.

I once read, "Better a small help early, than a large help late." I'll
continue to sponsor my child in some kind of effort to reach across the
globe and join hands with my fellow human. BTW, I once heard that, in terms
of DNA, if we were dogs, we'd all be the same breed, that's how closely
related we all are. Black, white, whatever, it's equivilant to the number of
spots on a dalmation in terms of our difference from each other.



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Old January 1st 05, 09:16 AM
Kalera Stratton
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Su/Cutworks wrote:
Kalera wrote:
India has had nearly a century to modernize - and got a good start from

the

British -- they have the means to get where we are today - if they would


work

at it like the American people did.


I'm sure that the British would have done a much better job, like
America, had they butchered the natives and been able to start with a
clean slate.



The people who had first contact with the native population WERE British,
and French and Spanish.

Americans don't have some sort of exclusive claim, genetic imbalance,
cultural bias or other individual condition that makes them the world's
enslavers, butchers, racists or anything else. There's a LOT of history out
there that isn't taught that should be.


I was talking about colonialism in the US vs. colonialism in India. Same
thing, went in different directions.
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Old January 1st 05, 09:21 AM
Kalera Stratton
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Christina Peterson wrote:
And hopping back and forth between two of your topics, Kalera, not only did
"we" war against the indigenous people, we also decimated them with disease.
Measles went through many villages killing 60%-80% of populations, including
every single life in many villages.

Just plain measles.

Tina


Yep. It made the western landscape seem abandoned and prime for
settlement, when the US got to it.
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Old January 1st 05, 11:51 AM
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Gotta love 50 Cent, no?

Go Marisa

it's your birthday

We're gonna party

like it's your birthday!


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Old January 1st 05, 03:05 PM
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Dr. Sooz wrote:
~~~~~~Went back. Read the post. Still see no attack.

Please don't feed the Prejudices. It's views like that which make the
Moslems of the world hate us in the first place.
Arondelle~~~~

Yes. I read it (I can read). Still see no attack. It says "Please
don't feed the Prejudices. It's views like that which make the Moslems
of the world hate us in the first place." That's not an attack. If
you think it is, you would have to be paranoid.


Indeed. Nowhere in those two sentences does it say "vj". It, and the
rest of the post & its follow-up, was a plea for EVERYONE (not just vj)
to examine their own views before pointing a finger at the hatred of others.

If I want to, I *can* be really hurtful: I can write stuff without the
filters. You don't want to be around me when I'm in that kind of mood.
If one insists on being the center of the universe, one can expect to
also be the center of the target from time to time. :-(

Arondelle
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Old January 1st 05, 04:49 PM
Kalera Stratton
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Marisa Cappetta wrote:
Gotta love 50 Cent, no?


Go Marisa

it's your birthday

We're gonna party

like it's your birthday!


Ain't it funny how he writes some of the WORST lyrics known to humanity,
and yet some of the most quotable?


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