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A tale of woe
On Oct 1, 7:33*pm, Sunny wrote:
John, at least you have something to show for your damage. I injured the innards of my Janome 5700 horribly by accidentally using a Singer bobbin. Ouch. I was sewing along (jerkily) and BANG, the bobbin yanked up so hard that it yanked the needle down and bent it inside the feed dogs. I cut the piece I was quilting *away. Total loss. I took it to the shop and was lectured rudely about never using the wrong bobbin again. Cost? $150 for fixing the machine -- including a new bobbin race cuz I totally broke the old one, $15 that I'd invested in what I was quilting that was ruined beyond belief, priceless humiliation. I know you love Bernina machines, but I think Irene is quite right that a Juki TL98q would handle your bags with ease. My new Janome 6600 probably could, but the Juki would do it without breaking a sweat. Perhaps not as elegant as a Bernina, but consider the humble mule and the work it can do that would destroy an aristocratic thoroughbred. Sunny butting in as usual with my opinion. I know that the machines like the Juki and Janome 1600 are good machines for quilting. I have had a Janome 1600 for a couple of years. So I know what they can do. But In my talking to a number of Industrial machine vendors, I have had my eyes opened as to their limitations. There are Industrial machines and then there are Industrial machines. By that I mean that some industrial machines are meant for tailoring and clothing construction and sew at incredibly fast speed. Like 5550 stitches per minute. That same machine is also offered as a medium and heavyweight upholstery machine and and it sews at about 4000 stitches per minute. They are both the same machine but the gearing and feed dogs are completely different as is the purpose of the machine. I talked to 5 different vendors and each one, independently thought that for the purpose I was wanting a machine, I would be best served by acquiring a compound walking foot machine. That is not to say that I could not do the bags using my janome 1600, but if I wanted to do the job with faultless and trouble free precision, and at a faster than snails pace, that would be the best machine for the purpose. I have tried to do these bags, and similar types of projects, with the Janome 1600, and have come up against the same problems that have plagued the Bernina. The thickness of fabric I am confronting, will bend the needle if you are not careful and cause all sorts of mayhem in the bobbin, and that is using the most cautious and careful sewing speed that can be used. With the compound walking foot machine, not only does the walking foot move the fabric in sync with the feed dogs, but the needle itself moves forward toward the person sewing, as the walking foot grabs the fabric. It plunges into the fabric,and then moves to the rear of the machine along with the fabric, until it reaches the end of the cycle and the comes up to the top of it's arc and moves forward to repeat the cycle. All this can be done at speed, without regard to being careful not to overburden the sewing machine. It is built to do just that. This is why I think it is the "Best" solution to this particular sewing requirement. Could I use a Juki, Janome or Brother straight stitch. Of course. I used the Bernina for a large batch of work of this nature without to much of an effort on my part, other than a slow and careful pace, until I tempted fate one to many times. I even caused a similar problem with The Janome 1600 and bent the needle, both a #16 Jeans needle, and #18 Needle. So you see I am well aware of the potential for the limits of those types of machines. They are really not suited to they type of usage I was subjecting them to. I think that by restricting the type of fabrics I use on these bags, and careful use of the machine, either the Bernina, or the Janome, will allow me to continue making some form of these bags and other similar projects. I just won't be able to do it with the speed and ease of use as I might have I I could spring for one of the compound WF machines. Sadly, that is not in my budget for a hobby purchase at this time. If I was going into production on a commercial basis, then of course , I would spring for one, as it would mean the difference between making money or making lots of bent needles, and my machine repairman rich. While the Domestic, High Speed machines like the Janome, Juki, and Brother are wonderful machines. They really are not in the same league as a dedicated purpose industrial machine. At least as far a bag construction is concerned. That is just my, and every one of the 5 vendors opinion. Yours of course might be different, and that is what makes the world go round. But if you think about it, why would they go to the trouble to make all those commercial machines if a high speed domestic machine would do just as well? Something to think about. John |
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A tale of woe
John,
What about the machine that is sold to boat owners/people for the repair of sails? I can't remember the name right now, but it wasn't real expensive, came in a "portable case" and could be carried on board the sailing vessel. On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 18:34:53 -0700 (PDT), John wrote: On Oct 1, 7:33*pm, Sunny wrote: John, at least you have something to show for your damage. I injured the innards of my Janome 5700 horribly by accidentally using a Singer bobbin. Ouch. I was sewing along (jerkily) and BANG, the bobbin yanked up so hard that it yanked the needle down and bent it inside the feed dogs. I cut the piece I was quilting *away. Total loss. I took it to the shop and was lectured rudely about never using the wrong bobbin again. Cost? $150 for fixing the machine -- including a new bobbin race cuz I totally broke the old one, $15 that I'd invested in what I was quilting that was ruined beyond belief, priceless humiliation. I know you love Bernina machines, but I think Irene is quite right that a Juki TL98q would handle your bags with ease. My new Janome 6600 probably could, but the Juki would do it without breaking a sweat. Perhaps not as elegant as a Bernina, but consider the humble mule and the work it can do that would destroy an aristocratic thoroughbred. Sunny butting in as usual with my opinion. I know that the machines like the Juki and Janome 1600 are good machines for quilting. I have had a Janome 1600 for a couple of years. So I know what they can do. But In my talking to a number of Industrial machine vendors, I have had my eyes opened as to their limitations. There are Industrial machines and then there are Industrial machines. By that I mean that some industrial machines are meant for tailoring and clothing construction and sew at incredibly fast speed. Like 5550 stitches per minute. That same machine is also offered as a medium and heavyweight upholstery machine and and it sews at about 4000 stitches per minute. They are both the same machine but the gearing and feed dogs are completely different as is the purpose of the machine. I talked to 5 different vendors and each one, independently thought that for the purpose I was wanting a machine, I would be best served by acquiring a compound walking foot machine. That is not to say that I could not do the bags using my janome 1600, but if I wanted to do the job with faultless and trouble free precision, and at a faster than snails pace, that would be the best machine for the purpose. I have tried to do these bags, and similar types of projects, with the Janome 1600, and have come up against the same problems that have plagued the Bernina. The thickness of fabric I am confronting, will bend the needle if you are not careful and cause all sorts of mayhem in the bobbin, and that is using the most cautious and careful sewing speed that can be used. With the compound walking foot machine, not only does the walking foot move the fabric in sync with the feed dogs, but the needle itself moves forward toward the person sewing, as the walking foot grabs the fabric. It plunges into the fabric,and then moves to the rear of the machine along with the fabric, until it reaches the end of the cycle and the comes up to the top of it's arc and moves forward to repeat the cycle. All this can be done at speed, without regard to being careful not to overburden the sewing machine. It is built to do just that. This is why I think it is the "Best" solution to this particular sewing requirement. Could I use a Juki, Janome or Brother straight stitch. Of course. I used the Bernina for a large batch of work of this nature without to much of an effort on my part, other than a slow and careful pace, until I tempted fate one to many times. I even caused a similar problem with The Janome 1600 and bent the needle, both a #16 Jeans needle, and #18 Needle. So you see I am well aware of the potential for the limits of those types of machines. They are really not suited to they type of usage I was subjecting them to. I think that by restricting the type of fabrics I use on these bags, and careful use of the machine, either the Bernina, or the Janome, will allow me to continue making some form of these bags and other similar projects. I just won't be able to do it with the speed and ease of use as I might have I I could spring for one of the compound WF machines. Sadly, that is not in my budget for a hobby purchase at this time. If I was going into production on a commercial basis, then of course , I would spring for one, as it would mean the difference between making money or making lots of bent needles, and my machine repairman rich. While the Domestic, High Speed machines like the Janome, Juki, and Brother are wonderful machines. They really are not in the same league as a dedicated purpose industrial machine. At least as far a bag construction is concerned. That is just my, and every one of the 5 vendors opinion. Yours of course might be different, and that is what makes the world go round. But if you think about it, why would they go to the trouble to make all those commercial machines if a high speed domestic machine would do just as well? Something to think about. John |
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A tale of woe
On Oct 3, 11:36*am, Bonnie Patterson
wrote: John, What about the machine that is sold to boat owners/people for the repair of sails? I can't remember the name right now, but it wasn't real expensive, came in a "portable case" and could be carried on board the sailing vessel. On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 18:34:53 -0700 (PDT), John wrote: On Oct 1, 7:33*pm, Sunny wrote: John, at least you have something to show for your damage. I injured the innards of my Janome 5700 horribly by accidentally using a Singer bobbin. Ouch. I was sewing along (jerkily) and BANG, the bobbin yanked up so hard that it yanked the needle down and bent it inside the feed dogs. I cut the piece I was quilting *away. Total loss. I took it to the shop and was lectured rudely about never using the wrong bobbin again. Cost? $150 for fixing the machine -- including a new bobbin race cuz I totally broke the old one, $15 that I'd invested in what I was quilting that was ruined beyond belief, priceless humiliation. I know you love Bernina machines, but I think Irene is quite right that a Juki TL98q would handle your bags with ease. My new Janome 6600 probably could, but the Juki would do it without breaking a sweat. Perhaps not as elegant as a Bernina, but consider the humble mule and the work it can do that would destroy an aristocratic thoroughbred. Sunny butting in as usual with my opinion. I know that the machines like the Juki and Janome 1600 are good machines for quilting. I have had a Janome 1600 for a couple of years. So I know what they can do. But In my talking to a number of Industrial machine vendors, I have had my eyes opened as to their limitations. There are Industrial machines and then there are Industrial machines. By that I mean that some industrial machines are meant for tailoring and clothing construction and sew at incredibly fast speed. Like 5550 stitches per minute. That same machine is also offered as a medium and heavyweight upholstery machine and and it sews at about 4000 stitches per minute. They are both the same machine but the gearing and feed dogs are completely different as is the purpose of the machine. I talked to 5 different vendors and each one, independently thought that for the purpose I was wanting a machine, I would be best served by acquiring a compound walking foot machine. That is not to say that I could not do the bags using my janome 1600, but if I wanted to do the job with faultless and trouble free precision, and at a faster than snails pace, that would be the best machine for the purpose. I have tried to do these bags, and similar types of projects, with the Janome 1600, and have come up against the same problems that have plagued the Bernina. The thickness of fabric I am confronting, will bend the needle if you are not careful and cause all sorts of mayhem in the *bobbin, and that is using the most cautious and careful sewing speed that can be used. With the compound walking foot machine, not only does the walking foot move the fabric in sync with the feed dogs, but the needle itself moves forward toward the person sewing, as the walking foot grabs the fabric. It plunges into the fabric,and then moves to the rear of the machine along with the fabric, until it reaches the end of the cycle and the comes up to the top of it's arc and moves forward to repeat the cycle. All this can be done at speed, without regard to being careful not to overburden the sewing machine. It is built to do just that. This is why I think it is the "Best" solution to this particular sewing requirement. Could I use a Juki, Janome or Brother straight stitch. Of course. I used the Bernina for a large batch of work of this nature without to much of an effort on my part, other than a slow and careful pace, until I tempted fate one to many times. I even caused a similar problem with The Janome 1600 and bent the needle, both a #16 Jeans needle, and #18 Needle. So you see I am well aware of the potential for the limits of those types of machines. They are really not suited to they type of usage I was subjecting them to. I think that by restricting the type of fabrics I use on these bags, and careful use of the machine, either the Bernina, or the Janome, will allow me to continue making some form of these bags and other similar projects. I just won't be able to do it with the speed and ease of use as I might have I I could spring for one of the compound WF machines. Sadly, that is not in my budget for a hobby purchase at this time. If I was going into production on a commercial basis, then of course , I would spring for one, as it would mean the difference between making money or making lots of bent needles, and my machine repairman rich. While the Domestic, High Speed machines like the Janome, Juki, and Brother are wonderful machines. They really are not in the same league as a dedicated purpose industrial machine. At least as far a bag construction is concerned. That is just my, and every one of the 5 vendors opinion. Yours of course might be different, and that is what makes the world go round. But if you think about it, why would they go to the trouble to make all those commercial machines if a high speed domestic machine would do just as well? Something to think about. John Yea. I think it was called Sailrite. It had a couple of versions that sell for between 6-$700. One is as walking foot machine, as that would be certainly needed for sewing dacron sails. I have actually used on and they are really kind of clunky. But might do for occasional use. John |
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