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Well some kind soul from some jewelry list was kind enough to send me
some asbestos powder. It arrived in the post today & I can't wait to start using it! In case anyone was wondering. Don't Taze Me Frosty! |
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wrote in message ... Well some kind soul from some jewelry list was kind enough to send me some asbestos powder. It arrived in the post today & I can't wait to start using it! In case anyone was wondering. Don't Taze Me Frosty! [What do you need it for? Most former asbestos applications use substiutions now, using safer constituents. I'm not sure the "kind soul" did you any favor here. Asbestos particles settle deep in the lungs, where they cause irreversible damage, up to and including cancer. And it's not a matter of dosage - a single microfiber can get a tumor started. Spread asbestos around your place, and it will take a major cleanup effort (lots of guys in paper suits with breathing apparatus) to get rid of it even partially. But maybe you can apply to be a Superfund site...] Andrew Werby www.unitedartworks.com |
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In rec.crafts.jewelry on or about Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:56:15 -0800 we
heard the sounds of a voice named "Andrew Werby" crying out from afar, saying: wrote in message .. . Well some kind soul from some jewelry list was kind enough to send me some asbestos powder. It arrived in the post today & I can't wait to start using it! In case anyone was wondering. Don't Taze Me Frosty! [What do you need it for? Most former asbestos applications use substiutions now, using safer constituents. I'm not sure the "kind soul" did you any favor here. Asbestos particles settle deep in the lungs, where they cause irreversible damage, up to and including cancer. And it's not a matter of dosage - a single microfiber can get a tumor started. Spread asbestos around your place, and it will take a major cleanup effort (lots of guys in paper suits with breathing apparatus) to get rid of it even partially. But maybe you can apply to be a Superfund site...] Andrew Werby www.unitedartworks.com I guess you missed the huge debate about this some time back. That's ok, Andrew. So would you mind terribly posting your sources that show, "a single microfiber can get a tumor started." I'd be very interested. Of course, it could be the same source that states that a single exposure to second hand smoke can cause cancer. The operative word in all this I think is "can". But I don't even believe that. I don't believe it can. Yes, there are alternatives to MOST applications. (Funny word, 'most'. It doesn't mean 'all'.) Asbestos is far and away the very best heat sink/stone protector bar none. I'll tell you what, I'll put a pile of dry asbestos in my hand and point a lit oxy/ace torch at it for 5 minutes. You use the substance of your choice in your hand. Whatcha gonna use? But anyway, I don't use it dry. And I don't use it much. But there are times when nothing else will suffice. And I don't put it into a bag and huff it or toss it into the air. I'll bet you don't use cyanide anymore either. |
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I guess you missed the huge debate about this some time back. That's ok, Andrew. [What, here in Rec.Crafts.Jewelry?] So would you mind terribly posting your sources that show, "a single microfiber can get a tumor started." I'd be very interested. [Well, I didn't make it up. Here's a reference: "We work under the assumption that there is no safe level of asbestos exposure. Asbestos is like a time bomb. Once you've been exposed, you don't know how your body will respond over time. Our goal is to determine whether there is asbestos in these products and then minimize the exposure," McDermott says. With most toxic materials, it may take multiple exposures before a dangerous level of exposure is reached. But asbestos has the capability to cause irreversible harm with just a single exposure. The NIOSH doctors agree, saying a single fiber deeply embedding itself in the right place in the lung could be all it takes to develop mesothelioma." http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/uncivilaction/epa14.shtml I don't think they're saying that everybody who inhales a single fiber of asbestos is going to get cancer; it's pretty evident that there is a relation between the amount of exposure and the likelihood of developing mesothelioma. The lungs have their defense mechanisms, and that single wayward fiber has to sidestep them in order to find a place it can start developing a cancer. But every time you expose yourself, you're rolling the dice...] Of course, it could be the same source that states that a single exposure to second hand smoke can cause cancer. The operative word in all this I think is "can". But I don't even believe that. I don't believe it can. [That's an opinion that I'm not familiar with. Got a source for it, or is this just a "straw man"?] Yes, there are alternatives to MOST applications. (Funny word, 'most'. It doesn't mean 'all'.) Asbestos is far and away the very best heat sink/stone protector bar none. I'll tell you what, I'll put a pile of dry asbestos in my hand and point a lit oxy/ace torch at it for 5 minutes. You use the substance of your choice in your hand. Whatcha gonna use? [I'd use a silicon carbide kiln shelf. Admittedly, that's not much good for stone protection. But that pile of dry asbestos would blow away before your 5 minutes was up (ouch!). For stones, I like submerging them in water, leaving the part to be heated uppermost.] But anyway, I don't use it dry. And I don't use it much. But there are times when nothing else will suffice. And I don't put it into a bag and huff it or toss it into the air. I'll bet you don't use cyanide anymore either. [I never did, but I still use silica-based jewelry investment material for casting, even though I'm pretty sure it's dangerous. I'm experimenting with substitutes, though - I'll let you know how it goes...] Andrew Werby www.computersculpture.com wrote in message ... In rec.crafts.jewelry on or about Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:56:15 -0800 we heard the sounds of a voice named "Andrew Werby" crying out from afar, saying: wrote in message . .. Well some kind soul from some jewelry list was kind enough to send me some asbestos powder. It arrived in the post today & I can't wait to start using it! In case anyone was wondering. Don't Taze Me Frosty! [What do you need it for? Most former asbestos applications use substiutions now, using safer constituents. I'm not sure the "kind soul" did you any favor here. Asbestos particles settle deep in the lungs, where they cause irreversible damage, up to and including cancer. And it's not a matter of dosage - a single microfiber can get a tumor started. Spread asbestos around your place, and it will take a major cleanup effort (lots of guys in paper suits with breathing apparatus) to get rid of it even partially. But maybe you can apply to be a Superfund site...] Andrew Werby www.unitedartworks.com |
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In rec.crafts.jewelry on or about Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:20:49 -0800 we
heard the sounds of a voice named "Andrew Werby" crying out from afar, saying: I guess you missed the huge debate about this some time back. That's ok, Andrew. [What, here in Rec.Crafts.Jewelry?] Yep. So would you mind terribly posting your sources that show, "a single microfiber can get a tumor started." I'd be very interested. [Well, I didn't make it up. Here's a reference: "We work under the assumption that there is no safe level of asbestos exposure. Asbestos is like a time bomb. Once you've been exposed, you don't know how your body will respond over time. Our goal is to determine whether there is asbestos in these products and then minimize the exposure," McDermott says. I read it. McDermott works for the EPA, a fed gov agency. Hardly a reliable source. Their goal is to regulate, regulate, regulate and fine, fine, fine. I don't believe they give a rats rear end one way or the other. With most toxic materials, it may take multiple exposures before a dangerous level of exposure is reached. But asbestos has the capability to cause irreversible harm with just a single exposure. How many jewelers have you heard about dying from cancer, especially of the throat and lung? Most, I believe, from grinding stone, either tweaking turq or other precious/colored/semi-precious stone whilst setting or those damned "heatless" Mizzy wheels. And maybe rubber wheels too. The NIOSH doctors agree, saying a single fiber deeply embedding itself in the right place in the lung could be all it takes to develop mesothelioma." http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/uncivilaction/epa14.shtml Sounds like the "just one time having sex without a rubber and 30 years later you'll get AIDS" crowd. I don't think they're saying that everybody who inhales a single fiber of asbestos is going to get cancer; it's pretty evident that there is a relation between the amount of exposure and the likelihood of developing mesothelioma. The lungs have their defense mechanisms, and that single wayward fiber has to sidestep them in order to find a place it can start developing a cancer. But every time you expose yourself, you're rolling the dice...] Like driving or crossing the street. Of course, it could be the same source that states that a single exposure to second hand smoke can cause cancer. The operative word in all this I think is "can". But I don't even believe that. I don't believe it can. [That's an opinion that I'm not familiar with. Got a source for it, or is this just a "straw man"?] "The current Surgeon Generals Report states that there is no risk-free level of secondhand smoke exposure." http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=39857 I would have to say, and please feel free to quote me in any other debates you choose, that there are no risk-free levels of anything. Life is not risk-free and its a scared and unhappy person who lives their lives in fear of risk. Yes, there are alternatives to MOST applications. (Funny word, 'most'. It doesn't mean 'all'.) Asbestos is far and away the very best heat sink/stone protector bar none. I'll tell you what, I'll put a pile of dry asbestos in my hand and point a lit oxy/ace torch at it for 5 minutes. You use the substance of your choice in your hand. Whatcha gonna use? [I'd use a silicon carbide kiln shelf. Admittedly, that's not much good for stone protection. But that pile of dry asbestos would blow away before your 5 minutes was up (ouch!). For stones, I like submerging them in water, leaving the part to be heated uppermost.] That's swell if you're going to use a reducing flame of oxy/ace to size a turquoise & silver ring, but here in the fast paced and exciting world of "ain't got time for all that fancy bull**** and gotta get all these repairs done" I ain't got time for all that. I gotta get all these repairs done! But anyway, I don't use it dry. And I don't use it much. But there are times when nothing else will suffice. And I don't put it into a bag and huff it or toss it into the air. I'll bet you don't use cyanide anymore either. [I never did, but I still use silica-based jewelry investment material for casting, even though I'm pretty sure it's dangerous. I'm experimenting with substitutes, though - I'll let you know how it goes...] Oooo yeah, just one exposure.... Sincerely Andrew Werby www.computersculpture.com wrote in message .. . In rec.crafts.jewelry on or about Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:56:15 -0800 we heard the sounds of a voice named "Andrew Werby" crying out from afar, saying: wrote in message ... Well some kind soul from some jewelry list was kind enough to send me some asbestos powder. It arrived in the post today & I can't wait to start using it! In case anyone was wondering. Don't Taze Me Frosty! [What do you need it for? Most former asbestos applications use substiutions now, using safer constituents. I'm not sure the "kind soul" did you any favor here. Asbestos particles settle deep in the lungs, where they cause irreversible damage, up to and including cancer. And it's not a matter of dosage - a single microfiber can get a tumor started. Spread asbestos around your place, and it will take a major cleanup effort (lots of guys in paper suits with breathing apparatus) to get rid of it even partially. But maybe you can apply to be a Superfund site...] Andrew Werby www.unitedartworks.com |
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In rec.crafts.jewelry on or about Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:42:17 -0800 we
heard the sounds of a voice named mbstevens crying out from afar, saying: wrote: In rec.crafts.jewelry on or about Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:20:49 -0800 we heard the sounds of a voice named "Andrew Werby" snip flame war about asbestos Sorry. I didn't mean to be flamin'. Ask anyone, I can be rather brash. But I'm really a nice little fuzzball deep down.. I suspect that the thing that really kills jewelers, along with other sedentary workers, is not taking time for proper exercise. But in the nonce I can get along perfectly with asbestos substitutes. Some of the new ceramics really do reflect and/or insulate the heat. My ceramic soldering pads work really well. I have one that is like rolled paper, another that is a slab with little holes through it. If it's burning your hands that worries you, there are lots of commercial gloves that are good for that. I actually use heatsinks as little as possible, preferring to remove stones if I can (and I get to charge more for the jobs too.) (BTW, ..Taze.., that is one irritating website. Kinda funny, though.) You shoulda seen it before I took off all the scripts! It was beyond irritating! But I had some putz report me to *HIS* ISP for allegedly deleting his autoexec.bat file in XP...neat trick, huh? LOL but anyway I figured if there was one paranoid dolt out there, there were probably more and I didn't wanna ruffle their feathers too much. I hope all you Brits liked the penny. |
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Excuse me, is this NISOH one of the organizations that showed how safe DDT
was back in the forties by spraying it over people while they were eating? Or was that some other Government agency concerned about our welfare? Yeah I'll trust them...(yeah right). granpaw "Andrew Werby" wrote in : snip The NIOSH doctors agree, saying a single fiber deeply embedding itself in the right place in the lung could be all it takes to develop mesothelioma." http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/uncivilaction/epa14.shtml snip |
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