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Small electronics the a new jewelry form
Lots of people are wearing them clipped onto their
clothes or on their belts. Ipods, Iphones, MP3 players, tiny internet devices -- and most are=20 now slickly styled. For the kitschily inclined, you can even get them covered=20 with rhinestones. So, most now function as more than just electronic devices. I consider them (among other things)=20 to be jewelry. Do you? --=20 mbstevens |
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Small electronics the a new jewelry form
Trying not to start a "what is Art" thread... ;-)
Sweeping generalizations all and your mileage will vary : I'm going to say "mostly no." These things are primarily defined by their utility and not their adornment properties. "What about a nice hair comb?" The utility is part of adornment. Pop psych would tell us that they are worn for status display and so is jewelry. But I think there may be a niggle there : just because two things are used for the same purpose does not mean they are the same thing. Necessary and sufficient. Status display is neither necessary nor sufficient to declare something jewelry. People want them to look good, chose them based on ideas of design. But that's "I'm going to wear this, I want it to look cool" rather than "I want to wear this because it looks cool." I'd say that they are ripe for treatment as jewelry, for better integration as adornment items. At this writing, aren't most of these electronic peripherals designed to be cool/attractive/designy in their own right as stand alone items? Even an earhook phone has "cool pod" and "ergonomic hook" and we really think of the item sitting pristine in the case at Best Buy. Somebody will walk up and say "cool ear slug" but won't say "that ear slug looks so good on you". That gap is ripe for exploitation and improvement. No doubt there are people that have been working on this and related ideas for some time experimentally. The wearable computer people come to mind. Doh... there's a well established long history of this exact issue. It's called "the watch". |
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Small electronics the a new jewelry form
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:53:17 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry gruhn
wrote: Trying not to start a "what is Art" thread... ;-) Sweeping generalizations all and your mileage will vary : I'm going to say "mostly no." These things are primarily defined by their utility and not their adornment properties. "What about a nice hair comb?" The utility is part of adornment. Pop psych would tell us that they are worn for status display and so is jewelry. But I think there may be a niggle there : just because two things are used for the same purpose does not mean they are the same thing. Necessary and sufficient. Status display is neither necessary nor sufficient to declare something jewelry. People want them to look good, chose them based on ideas of design. But that's "I'm going to wear this, I want it to look cool" rather than "I want to wear this because it looks cool." I'd say that they are ripe for treatment as jewelry, for better integration as adornment items. At this writing, aren't most of these electronic peripherals designed to be cool/attractive/designy in their own right as stand alone items? Even an earhook phone has "cool pod" and "ergonomic hook" and we really think of the item sitting pristine in the case at Best Buy. Somebody will walk up and say "cool ear slug" but won't say "that ear slug looks so good on you". That gap is ripe for exploitation and improvement. No doubt there are people that have been working on this and related ideas for some time experimentally. The wearable computer people come to mind. Doh... there's a well established long history of this exact issue. It's called "the watch". Or how would one classify what some of the high end jewelry manufacturers (like Cartier, and others) are doing with exclusive cell phones. Custom cases, encrusted with tens of thousands of dollars in diamonds.... At what point, with how many diamonds and what sort of fancy custom metalwork, does that phone cease to be mostly phone, and become some variant of jewelry, if at all? I think before fully deciding such things, one might have to backtrack even further, and decide on a definition of what constitutes jewelry itself. Does it need to meet some definition of its function or purpose? Must it be pretty? (according to whom?) must it adorn? (adorn what? Adorning the inside of one's pockets. Does that count?) Is the crude safety pin stabbed through some goth kids eyebrow count as jewelry? How bout the purpose made bellbar that looks not much different in impact, but was made for that instead of holding diapers? How 'bout the similar items worn on genital piercings as much for the sensations they deliver as for any particular visual effect, especially since they're hidden from normal public view in most cases. Or, if the functioning aspect as electronic items is the sticking point, how about electronic functioning items specifically made to be only decorative items designed to be worn as jewelry? They have batteries, a display, do stuff that looks cool, but don't play your MP3s. Clearly made as jewelry, purchased as such and worthy of the title. My cell phone is also fairly attractive in an industrial design sort of way, and capable of visually interesting and decorative video effects. If I hang it around my neck on a bola cord is that different from when it hangs around my neck on the neck cord that happens to be part of one of the wired earplug sets I got for it? Complex questions, and I'd guess that for many, there are no answers that are always right in all situations or for all people. But for me, even if an item starts out with a purely utilitarian function and is purchesed for it's utility in that function, when people start designing versions that look cooler, and those items start being preferentially sold for their decorative value, then for me, it's crossing into the realm of jewelry. Certainly, it's starting to at least impinge on the role and function of jewelry. I don't think we need to say such items are either totally jewelry or totally not jewelry. I think it's OK for an item to straddle that fence and be a bit of both. Peter |
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Small electronics the a new jewelry form
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:53:17 -0700, el gruhn punched in:
Trying not to start a "what is Art" thread... ;-) Sweeping generalizations all and your mileage will vary : I'm going to say "mostly no." These things are primarily defined by their utility and not their adornment properties. "What about a nice hair comb?" The utility is part of adornment. Pop psych would tell us that they are worn for status display and so is jewelry. But I think there may be a niggle there : just because two things are used for the same purpose does not mean they are the same thing. Necessary and sufficient. Status display is neither necessary nor sufficient to declare something jewelry. People want them to look good, chose them based on ideas of design. But that's "I'm going to wear this, I want it to look cool" rather than "I want to wear this because it looks cool." I'd say that they are ripe for treatment as jewelry, for better integration as adornment items. At this writing, aren't most of these electronic peripherals designed to be cool/attractive/designy in their own right as stand alone items? Even an earhook phone has "cool pod" and "ergonomic hook" and we really think of the item sitting pristine in the case at Best Buy. Somebody will walk up and say "cool ear slug" but won't say "that ear slug looks so good on you". That gap is ripe for exploitation and improvement. No doubt there are people that have been working on this and related ideas for some time experimentally. The wearable computer people come to mind. Doh... there's a well established long history of this exact issue. It's called "the watch". A well thought out response, thanks. -- mbstevens |
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Small electronics the a new jewelry form
On Jul 19, 4:06*am, "Peter W.. Rowe,"
wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:53:17 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry gruhn wrote: Trying not to start a "what is Art" thread... ;-) Sweeping generalizations all and your mileage will vary : I'm going to say "mostly no." These things are primarily defined by their utility and not their adornment properties. "What about a nice hair comb?" The utility is part of adornment. Pop psych would tell us that they are worn for status display and so is jewelry. But I think there may be a niggle there : just because two things are used for the same purpose does not mean they are the same thing. Necessary and sufficient. Status display is neither necessary nor sufficient to declare something jewelry. People want them to look good, chose them based on ideas of design. But that's "I'm going to wear this, I want it to look cool" rather than "I want to wear this because it looks cool." I'd say that they are ripe for treatment as jewelry, for better integration as adornment items. At this writing, aren't most of these electronic peripherals designed to be cool/attractive/designy in their own right as stand alone items? Even an earhook phone has "cool pod" and "ergonomic hook" and we really think of the item sitting pristine in the case at Best Buy. Somebody will walk up and say "cool ear slug" but won't say "that ear slug looks so good on you". That gap is ripe for exploitation and improvement. No doubt there are people that have been working on this and related ideas for some time experimentally. The wearable computer people come to mind. Doh... there's a well established long history of this exact issue. It's called "the watch". Or how would one classify what some of the high end jewelry manufacturers (like Cartier, and others) are doing with exclusive cell phones. *Custom cases, encrusted with tens of thousands of dollars in diamonds.... * At what point, with how many diamonds and what sort of fancy custom metalwork, does that phone cease to be mostly phone, and become some variant of jewelry, if at all? I think before fully deciding such things, one might have to backtrack even further, and decide on a definition of what constitutes jewelry itself. * Does it need to meet some definition of its function or purpose? *Must it be pretty? (according to whom?) must it adorn? (adorn what? *Adorning the inside of one's pockets. *Does that count?) *Is the crude safety pin stabbed through some goth kids eyebrow count as jewelry? *How bout the purpose made bellbar that looks not much different in impact, but was made for that instead of holding diapers? How 'bout the similar items worn on genital piercings as much for the sensations they deliver as for any particular visual effect, especially since they're hidden from normal public view in most cases. Or, if the functioning aspect as electronic items is the sticking point, how about electronic functioning items specifically made to be only decorative items designed to be worn as jewelry? *They have batteries, a display, do stuff that looks cool, but don't play your MP3s. *Clearly made as jewelry, purchased as such and worthy of the title. * My cell phone is also fairly attractive in an industrial design sort of way, and capable of visually interesting and decorative video effects. *If I hang it around my neck on a bola cord is that different from when it hangs around my neck on the neck cord that happens to be part of one of the wired earplug sets I got for it? Complex questions, and I'd guess that for many, there are no answers that are always right in all situations or for all people. *But for me, even if an item starts out with a purely utilitarian function and is purchesed for it's utility in that function, when people start designing versions that look cooler, and those items start being preferentially sold for their decorative value, then for me, it's crossing into the realm of jewelry. * Certainly, it's starting to at least impinge on the role and function of jewelry. * I don't think we need to say such items are either totally jewelry or totally not jewelry. *I think it's OK for an item to straddle that fence and be a bit of both. Peter Perhaps the electronic gadgets in question will gradually become part of the jewellery world, just as the watch has - as someone else pointed out. Such timepieces started out having a practical function and also became an object of adornment over a period of time. The boundaries between objects of function and objects of adornment blur over time and with subsequent generations. What is functional for us may be both functional and decorative for our children and you never know, our grandchildren or great grandchildren might wonder into a jeweller's shop years down the line to buy their mp3 players and mobile phones. Perhaps, as electrical gadgets become smaller and smaller, they may become incorporated into jewellery - mp3 players and mobile phones inside decorative ear cuffs. Satellite navigation devices built into eye glasses anyone? Helen UK http://www.hillsgems.co.uk http://www.helensgems.etsy.com |
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I have been waiting for about 5 days now but the shipping times are 10-19 days. As soon as I get them I will let you know. I have not seen you on that forum for a long time now and I was wondering where you are? How did it go with the collection that you got? Here is the link to the beads again http://www.liangdianup.com/beadscrafts_1.htm and here is the link to the Swarovski beads http://www.liangdianup.com/inventory/900020.htm if those links don't work then you can goto www.lducompany.com and click on the beads picture, that should take you right there. I hope you see this message and get back to me cause I miss talking to you
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