VERY OT !!! RCTN member seeking religious knowledge

"Joan E." wrote in message
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Lucretia Borgia wrote:
They are completely plain, white crosses, ... One notices them,
particularly if there was more than one person killed at the spot,
but you don't exactly have to look away from the highway at them,
they just are there, instantly recognizable and a record.

I actually like these simple crosses. I guess I don't find them
distracting because they *are* easily recognizable and you don't
*really* have to actually *look* at them (I first saw them maaaany
years before MADD existed). To me, they are a visual reminder of
treacherous intersections or bends in the road and they are used more
as a cautionary reminder that the area is dangerous than as a
remembrance of a person.

I also agree that all the money spent on teddy bears, flowers, etc.,
could be put to better use. What *did* the royal family do with all
the toys left in memory of Diana, anyway? Anyone know?

Joan

That sort of thing is given to children`s hospitals etc.

Pat P

"Lucretia Borgia" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:27:46 GMT, "Pat EAXStitch"
wrote:




What`s wrong with just having the "Accident black spot" road signs.
Perfectly adequate.

Pat P



We don't have such a sign, and surely, if we did, people would be
looking away and reading it and be distracted ?

No more than at speed restriction signs! (She says, coughing gently!)

Pat P

Dawne Peterson wrote:
Caryn wrote

Watergate changed the way the American people viewed their leaders.
FOREVER!

(snip)
Just because it didn't leave a body count behind doesn't mean that it
wasn't a very significant event in American History.

It's sad that you think only events that result in multiple deaths
count.

I don't think Mirjam would disagree with you that Watergate was a major
turning point in American political history. (and if I have put words in
her mouth, she is quite able to spit them out again)--but the critical word
is American. I think she was talking more events like WWII which had an
effect on much of the world, and continue to do so since those who
experienced that war live on every continent. For those of us who live in
the rest of the world, Watergate is just an interesting story of political
tactics, although at the time it did confirm the impression many of us had
of Nixon!
Dawne


It just bothered me that it got discounted by her because it didn't
leave widows behind.

There are lots of important events in history that don't have body
counts associated with them, something most people are glad about.

Some are positive....the bringing down the the Berlin Wall and the
collapse of ...some are not...the shift in the American psyche when we
learned to what levels our politicians were willing to stoop to. Sure,
the politicians were probably always that crooked, but we believed they
were "better than that."

It changed many aspects of American life in ways it may be hard for
those who aren't Americans or students of history to understand. The
media didn't dig for dirt the way it does now (think of how different
Kennedy & Marilyn was treated vs. Cliton & Monica for instance), there
is a lot more cynicim now than before Watergate.

I know in the overall course of history...say in merely 200 yrs...it
won't even be a blip, but nor will a lot of the events that leave
widows behind today. History evolves, series of events cause the
evolution. The main thing I was trying to convey to Mirjam is that not
every event that changes how history evolves leaves bodybags in it's
wake.

Caryn

Thank you Dawne , i think i already answered in that spirit. But you
Say it much better,
And also remarked like me that Watergate was a turning point , but it
hastened an existing process, people knew, but hesitated to believe,
Watergate confirmed it.
mirjam
I don't think Mirjam would disagree with you that Watergate was a major
turning point in American political history. (and if I have put words in
her mouth, she is quite able to spit them out again)--but the critical word
is American. I think she was talking more events like WWII which had an
effect on much of the world, and continue to do so since those who
experienced that war live on every continent. For those of us who live in
the rest of the world, Watergate is just an interesting story of political
tactics, although at the time it did confirm the impression many of us had
of Nixon!
Dawne

No Caryn!!!!
You didn`t `get discounted` , i was only pointing out to you that in
my opinion , One can`t compare events where people lost their lives,
to events where people `only` got punished.
mirjam

It just bothered me that it got discounted by her because it didn't
leave widows behind.

There are lots of important events in history that don't have body
counts associated with them, something most people are glad about.

Some are positive....the bringing down the the Berlin Wall and the
collapse of ...some are not...the shift in the American psyche when we
learned to what levels our politicians were willing to stoop to. Sure,
the politicians were probably always that crooked, but we believed they
were "better than that."

It changed many aspects of American life in ways it may be hard for
those who aren't Americans or students of history to understand. The
media didn't dig for dirt the way it does now (think of how different
Kennedy & Marilyn was treated vs. Cliton & Monica for instance), there
is a lot more cynicim now than before Watergate.

I know in the overall course of history...say in merely 200 yrs...it
won't even be a blip, but nor will a lot of the events that leave
widows behind today. History evolves, series of events cause the
evolution. The main thing I was trying to convey to Mirjam is that not
every event that changes how history evolves leaves bodybags in it's
wake.

Caryn

I think they where donated to children's hospital's / homes but don't quote
me on that
Jan
"Joan E." wrote in message
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Lucretia Borgia wrote:
They are completely plain, white crosses, ... One notices them,
particularly if there was more than one person killed at the spot,
but you don't exactly have to look away from the highway at them,
they just are there, instantly recognizable and a record.

I actually like these simple crosses. I guess I don't find them
distracting because they *are* easily recognizable and you don't
*really* have to actually *look* at them (I first saw them maaaany
years before MADD existed). To me, they are a visual reminder of
treacherous intersections or bends in the road and they are used more
as a cautionary reminder that the area is dangerous than as a
remembrance of a person.

I also agree that all the money spent on teddy bears, flowers, etc.,
could be put to better use. What *did* the royal family do with all
the toys left in memory of Diana, anyway? Anyone know?

Joan

Thes latest ones I've seen is "My Labrador is smarter than your honour
student" (since then I've seen other dogs mentioned). Being both a dog
owner and a parent of honour students, neither of which I announce on bumper
stickers, I find it funny, but I'm sure there are some who don't.

Margaret
Midlothian, VA

The other signs that REALLY irritate me are the ones in cars. "Baby on
Board". So? And "Show horses/dogs/cats on board".

Pat P

One thing`s for sure - the labrador is smarter than that particular car
owner!!!

Pat P

"Margaret Henderson" wrote in message
...
Thes latest ones I've seen is "My Labrador is smarter than your honour
student" (since then I've seen other dogs mentioned). Being both a dog
owner and a parent of honour students, neither of which I announce on
bumper
stickers, I find it funny, but I'm sure there are some who don't.

Margaret
Midlothian, VA

The other signs that REALLY irritate me are the ones in cars. "Baby on
Board". So? And "Show horses/dogs/cats on board".

Pat P

Caryn wrote

It just bothered me that it got discounted by her because it didn't
leave widows behind.

There are lots of important events in history that don't have body
counts associated with them, something most people are glad about.
(snip)
And Watergate was not without its own personal tragedies-- those loyal
wives and families who had to stand by some fairly despicable men (not
death, but a kind of personal hell), those genuine idealists (there used to
be more than a few) who supported political parties because they believed,
and got to see the dirty tricks their "heroes" used....
Dawne

"Margaret Henderson" had some very
interesting things to say about bumper stickers was Ot caring
about memorials :

Thes latest ones I've seen is "My Labrador is smarter than your honour
student" (since then I've seen other dogs mentioned). Being both a dog
owner and a parent of honour students, neither of which I announce on bumper
stickers, I find it funny, but I'm sure there are some who don't.

There are times I'd love to get the sign I've seen around:
"Mother-in-Law in Trunk" (evil grin)

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