New Angel

BTW - I think Slick Willy will be known as a middle of the road president in
50 years. GWB, below average, not the worst ever.
Cheryl

The way history sees him will depend entirely on how long the mess in Iraq
continues, how many people die because we were there, and what the final
outcome in the area is.

In 100 yrs I have a feeling neither Clinton nor GWB will be remembered in grade
school history books.

Caryn
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:44:09 -0400, "Lucille"
wrote:


"Lucretia Borgia" wrote in message
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On 22 Jun 2004 15:39:02 GMT, wd (Caryn) wrote:

Or she could admit she lied and then write a best selling book telling
why
and how she lied, a la someone I liked and still like despite his
transgressions.
Lucille


ROFL!!!!

I'd rather a president that lies about sex than one that lies to get us
into
war!

Or his unusual friend and cohort Tony Blair - only known politician of
the time I think known to have impregnated his own wife whilst in
office lol

Gee, I never thought of that. It was rather unusual, wasn't it. But didn't
Jackie Kennedy have a stillborn boy while JFK was in office, despite his
reputation for "others?"


Patrick wasn't stillborn; he was a preemie, and died of hyaline
membrane disease, a common cause of death in preemies, especially in
the early '60s.
Darla
Sacred cows make great hamburgers.

On 6/22/04 2:16 PM, in article ,
"Caryn" wrote:

BTW - I think Slick Willy will be known as a middle of the road president in
50 years. GWB, below average, not the worst ever.
Cheryl

The way history sees him will depend entirely on how long the mess in Iraq
continues, how many people die because we were there, and what the final
outcome in the area is.

In 100 yrs I have a feeling neither Clinton nor GWB will be remembered in
grade
school history books.

I don't if I'd go that far. They will be listed with all the other
presidents; even Ford will get a mention.

I wish I could remember a quote from Ford - it was something about being
remembered not for his time in office but as a mere place marker in history.
It did strike me as being so very sad.


Did anyone else have to remember all the presidents in order?

Cheryl

It happens all the time, some get caught, others don't. It just doesn't
make
the news by being publicly investigated for years at the public's expense.

But if he told the truth, there wouldn't have been the investigation.

And, in my eyes, it was a kin to statutory rape. How old was Monica - 25 at
most? The most powerful man in the world wants her? She didn't have a
chance. How could she not, she might have lost the job. It strikes me as no
different than a boss insisting his secretary service him at lunch time.



Cheryl


Given the way Bernie Ebbers f**cked his employees and stockholders financially,
I think I would have much preferred that he'd limited himself to f**king just
one secretary on his lunch hour.

Push comes to shove though, nobody died because of Clinton's lie about Monica.
The same can't be said for W's lies.

Caryn
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In 100 yrs I have a feeling neither Clinton nor GWB will be remembered in
grade
school history books.

I don't if I'd go that far. They will be listed with all the other
presidents; even Ford will get a mention.


Well, yeah! But I meant in the actual history part of the book, not the lists
in the index! LOL

Caryn
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On 6/22/04 2:53 PM, in article ,
"Caryn" wrote:

It happens all the time, some get caught, others don't. It just doesn't
make
the news by being publicly investigated for years at the public's expense.

But if he told the truth, there wouldn't have been the investigation.

And, in my eyes, it was a kin to statutory rape. How old was Monica - 25 at
most? The most powerful man in the world wants her? She didn't have a
chance. How could she not, she might have lost the job. It strikes me as no
different than a boss insisting his secretary service him at lunch time.



Cheryl


Given the way Bernie Ebbers f**cked his employees and stockholders
financially,
I think I would have much preferred that he'd limited himself to f**king just
one secretary on his lunch hour.
And I agree with you, but but both were abuses of power.

Push comes to shove though, nobody died because of Clinton's lie about Monica.
The same can't be said for W's lies.


Agreed in spirit; lots of young men and women dieing, Iraq was a mistake
which in the long run will only give the terrorists more credibility in the
Middle East.

But remember Clinton's "ignoring" (for lack of better word) of the USS Cole
and embassy bombing let terrorist networks believe the US would not
retaliate.

Cheryl

On 6/22/04 3:00 PM, in article ,
"Caryn" wrote:

In 100 yrs I have a feeling neither Clinton nor GWB will be remembered in
grade
school history books.

I don't if I'd go that far. They will be listed with all the other
presidents; even Ford will get a mention.


Well, yeah! But I meant in the actual history part of the book, not the lists
in the index! LOL

Both will be regarded was "minor" presidents. Of the presidents since I
have been old enough to pay attention, I think RR will be remembered for his
foreign policies and his strength of personal character, Nixon for "opening
up" China and resigning; the others as footnotes. Jimmy Carter will be
remembered as a great humanitarian outside of office.

Oh and BTW, those lists were in the front of my books

Cheryl

Oh and BTW, those lists were in the front of my books

Cheryl


I remember they were on the inside back covers of mine! ROFL

Caryn
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In article ,
(Olwynmary) writes:

the comment by Gore Vidal, who was quoted as saying "He lied about
sex, which in my day was what a gentleman was supposed to do!

Absolutely! That's why I liked going out with gentlemen. In one case, my
roommate was dating my DBF's roommate. After a year, they *still* weren't
positive whether we were or weren't.

There was a good crack on Crossfire yesterday (www.cnn.com/transcripts) to the
effect that because none of the other charges (Whitewater, Travelgate, etc.)
could be made to stick, "you spent $80M to prove that Bill Clinton likes girls;
I could've told you that for free!"


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On 6/22/04 3:30 PM, in article ,
"Caryn" wrote:

Oh and BTW, those lists were in the front of my books

Cheryl


I remember they were on the inside back covers of mine! ROFL

Oh no, a fancy list with pictures and a timeline.
But then again, I am an old fart!
(hehehehehehehehe!)
Cheryl