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Old April 19th 10, 09:27 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
Bruce Fletcher
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Old April 20th 10, 03:48 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
Bruce Fletcher
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On 20/04/2010 15:40, Karen C - Calif wrote:
Thanks, Bruce!

I sent the link to a friend who insists that no one in England can see a
doctor for months and months because of your "socialized medicine" and
that anyone over age 50 will be left to die because they're not
cost-effective to treat. Hopefully your story will convince her that
she's been lied to by insurance companies who don't want to be put out
of business, and that what I've been telling her about friends/family's
experience in Germany/England/Canada is not a figment of my imagination.



The situation is a bit different in some parts of the country where
non-urgent cases might have to wait for a week to see their local GP. If
a patient wants to see a particular GP in a multi-GP practice they may
have to wait for a few more days. On Stronsay we're very fortunate as
our GP has a walk-in surgery 09:30-10:30 five days a week (Sunday is his
usual day off and on Thursday he goes over to Eday for their weekly
surgery); the same GP is on 24 hour call though.
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Old April 20th 10, 03:50 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
Bruce Fletcher
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On 20/04/2010 15:40, Karen C - Calif wrote:
Thanks, Bruce!

I sent the link to a friend who insists that no one in England can see a
doctor for months and months because of your "socialized medicine" and
that anyone over age 50 will be left to die because they're not
cost-effective to treat. Hopefully your story will convince her that
she's been lied to by insurance companies who don't want to be put out
of business, and that what I've been telling her about friends/family's
experience in Germany/England/Canada is not a figment of my imagination.



I should have added Maureen and myself are both pensioners so the
over-50s are most definitely not "left to die"!
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Bruce Fletcher
Stronsay, Orkney
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Old April 21st 10, 12:16 AM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
Gillian Murray
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Default Still OT..but response to Karen. re NHS

Karen C - Calif wrote:
Bruce Fletcher wrote:

The situation is a bit different in some parts of the country where
non-urgent cases might have to wait for a week to see their local GP.



Which is still better than the situation for most California patients
prior to the new law -- a non-urgent situation was always "6-10 weeks,
if you need to see a doctor sooner than that, go to the Emergency Room".
Well, fine and dandy, but if your insurance company thought it was
something that could be handled in a doctor's office, they would not
give you permission to go to the ER, and it was up to you to decide if
it was worth $1000 of your own money to be seen sooner than 6-10 weeks.

Knowing that my bronchitis generally resolves in about 6 weeks, I simply
put off going; if it got that bad that I needed hospitalization, then
the insurance would pay for it, but if it was just that I was not
sleeping because I was coughing all night, they wouldn't.

The opposition was so worked up about "rationing care" -- what was my
insurance company doing this past quarter-century, if not rationing care
by making it impossible to see a doctor for over a month?!


Enough, Karen.

We all know where you stand, and where many of your friends stand.

I can tell you two terrible stories relating to my parents in UK with NHS.
One private care took care of. My father had a displaced retina. he
was 60 and an architect and city engineer. It would take nearly a year
to have the surgery done under the waiting list of NHS. They dug into
their savings and paid for it.


..the other(under NHS) my mother was allowed to die.She was about a
year older than I am now(73). She had a backache. No-one could diagnose
it, but when she went to the Radcliffe in Oxford, they EVENTUALLY
diagnosed it as microscopic kidney cancer.

You would have thought that a kidney could be removed ??Age 74. But she
got a small series of radiation (to kill the pain she was told)...and
sent home.

Three years later I visited her on her
deathbed.......................and she ws allowed to come home to die.
She did, five days later but I will NEVER support a system like they
have in UK. This is what we are getting folks.

Also the visiting nurse system in UK is great. A shame they don't
have enough funding. Whemn Mum died we asked the solicitor to take
enough out of her remaining monies to buy six foam mattresses for the
area. They were allowed one by NHS ruling.

I am leaving, because I get very upset with the way people were treated
in 1988. I honestly doubt it has improved.

I read somewhere recently that most Americans are impatient, and want to
see the specialist very quickly.. Looking at Bruce's scenario... I can
understand that.

I have worked in both systems................there are good and bad; but
my mother could have lived another 4 years or so without the NHS

Giullian

OT From the heart MHS

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Old April 21st 10, 05:30 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
Olwyn.Mary
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Default Still OT..but response to Karen. re NHS

Gillian Murray wrote:
Karen C - Calif wrote:

Bruce Fletcher wrote:


The situation is a bit different in some parts of the country where
non-urgent cases might have to wait for a week to see their local GP.




Which is still better than the situation for most California patients
prior to the new law -- a non-urgent situation was always "6-10 weeks,
if you need to see a doctor sooner than that, go to the Emergency
Room". Well, fine and dandy, but if your insurance company thought it
was something that could be handled in a doctor's office, they would
not give you permission to go to the ER, and it was up to you to
decide if it was worth $1000 of your own money to be seen sooner than
6-10 weeks.

Knowing that my bronchitis generally resolves in about 6 weeks, I
simply put off going; if it got that bad that I needed
hospitalization, then the insurance would pay for it, but if it was
just that I was not sleeping because I was coughing all night, they
wouldn't.

The opposition was so worked up about "rationing care" -- what was my
insurance company doing this past quarter-century, if not rationing
care by making it impossible to see a doctor for over a month?!


Enough, Karen.

We all know where you stand, and where many of your friends stand.

I can tell you two terrible stories relating to my parents in UK with NHS.
One private care took care of. My father had a displaced retina. he was
60 and an architect and city engineer. It would take nearly a year to
have the surgery done under the waiting list of NHS. They dug into their
savings and paid for it.


..the other(under NHS) my mother was allowed to die.She was about a
year older than I am now(73). She had a backache. No-one could diagnose
it, but when she went to the Radcliffe in Oxford, they EVENTUALLY
diagnosed it as microscopic kidney cancer.

You would have thought that a kidney could be removed ??Age 74. But she
got a small series of radiation (to kill the pain she was told)...and
sent home.

Three years later I visited her on her
deathbed.......................and she ws allowed to come home to die.
She did, five days later but I will NEVER support a system like they
have in UK. This is what we are getting folks.

Also the visiting nurse system in UK is great. A shame they don't have
enough funding. Whemn Mum died we asked the solicitor to take enough
out of her remaining monies to buy six foam mattresses for the area.
They were allowed one by NHS ruling.

I am leaving, because I get very upset with the way people were treated
in 1988. I honestly doubt it has improved.

I read somewhere recently that most Americans are impatient, and want to
see the specialist very quickly.. Looking at Bruce's scenario... I can
understand that.

I have worked in both systems................there are good and bad; but
my mother could have lived another 4 years or so without the NHS

Giullian

OT From the heart MHS


I'm so sorry your family had such bad times, I guess it must be a
regional thing. My parents on the Northeast Coast always had first
class care. Although my father eventually died of a massive heart
attack (runs in the family), before that he had many, many medical
problems. In fact, I have clearer memories of him in the Royal
Infirmary than at home. My mother outlived both of her sons - both of
whom had supplemental private health insurance through their employment
- and lasted till she was almost 93. As she got older, she, too, had
many health problems, some surgeries and quite a number of hospital
stays. After she was 85, the doctor used to make house calls, in
addition to the visiting nurses. After she was 90, it was decided that,
no matter what her wishes, she could no longer live alone, so one time
in hospital she was told she was going to convalescent care, and was
moved to a wonderful assisted living center - all paid for by the NHS.
Additonally, my dd, who is over there with her USAF dh, has on occasion
had to go to a NHS hospital for herself or her children when the base
hospital did not have the right specialists, and she says that the NHS
hospitals are, by and large, very much better than the military one.

Olwyn Mary in New Orleans.
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Old April 22nd 10, 06:22 AM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
joyce
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Default Still OT..but response to Karen. re NHS

Olwyn.Mary wrote:
Gillian Murray wrote:


I can tell you two terrible stories relating to my parents in UK with
NHS.
One private care took care of. My father had a displaced retina. he
was 60 and an architect and city engineer. It would take nearly a year
to have the surgery done under the waiting list of NHS. They dug into
their savings and paid for it.


..the other(under NHS) my mother was allowed to die.She was about a
year older than I am now(73). She had a backache. No-one could
diagnose it, but when she went to the Radcliffe in Oxford, they
EVENTUALLY diagnosed it as microscopic kidney cancer.

You would have thought that a kidney could be removed ??Age 74. But
she got a small series of radiation (to kill the pain she was
told)...and sent home.

Three years later I visited her on her
deathbed.......................and she ws allowed to come home to die.
She did, five days later but I will NEVER support a system like they
have in UK. This is what we are getting folks.

Also the visiting nurse system in UK is great. A shame they don't
have enough funding. Whemn Mum died we asked the solicitor to take
enough out of her remaining monies to buy six foam mattresses for the
area. They were allowed one by NHS ruling.

I am leaving, because I get very upset with the way people were
treated in 1988. I honestly doubt it has improved.

I read somewhere recently that most Americans are impatient, and want
to see the specialist very quickly.. Looking at Bruce's scenario... I
can understand that.

I have worked in both systems................there are good and bad;
but my mother could have lived another 4 years or so without the NHS

Giullian

OT From the heart MHS


I'm so sorry your family had such bad times, I guess it must be a
regional thing. My parents on the Northeast Coast always had first
class care. Although my father eventually died of a massive heart
attack (runs in the family), before that he had many, many medical
problems. In fact, I have clearer memories of him in the Royal
Infirmary than at home. My mother outlived both of her sons - both of
whom had supplemental private health insurance through their employment
- and lasted till she was almost 93. As she got older, she, too, had
many health problems, some surgeries and quite a number of hospital
stays. After she was 85, the doctor used to make house calls, in
addition to the visiting nurses. After she was 90, it was decided that,
no matter what her wishes, she could no longer live alone, so one time
in hospital she was told she was going to convalescent care, and was
moved to a wonderful assisted living center - all paid for by the NHS.
Additonally, my dd, who is over there with her USAF dh, has on occasion
had to go to a NHS hospital for herself or her children when the base
hospital did not have the right specialists, and she says that the NHS
hospitals are, by and large, very much better than the military one.

Olwyn Mary in New Orleans.


I wonder how much is the system, and how much the doctor? I haven't
lived in UK for more than 50 years, but my mother died there at 65, far
too early, because the doctor, like so many then, thought when women
went to a doctor it was to seek attention, not medical help.

When she complained of dizzy spells, he said "What can you expect,
you're over 60!" This happened several times, until she collapsed, was
taken to hospital, and diagnosed with thyroid disease, too late. I hope
there are fewer of these doctors around now, but I know there are still
some, everywhere.

Joyce in RSA.
 




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