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OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
First off, let me make clear that I are one. So I'm not even close to
potshotting anybody; I understand the obsessions involved intimately. (My last email rant to a newspaper writer was over the statement "They may not understand that they're implying X." Um, no; if you're implying it, you understand that you are doing so. Now what you choose to *infer* from my statement I may not understand; I won't contest that, as inferring doesn't necessarily have any connection with what the original speaker actually meant. g) So wandering off into a thread that's really geared for us obsessives to mutter together (a recuperation diversiong), which do you find more irksome: Incorrect usage of terminology: examples: misuse of "speaker implies/hearer infers", "very unique" (unique = "one of a kind"---how can something be "very one of a kind"?), "begging the question" being used to mean "leads us to ask" rather than "trying to use what you're trying to prove as proof of itself", etc. Incorrect usage of homonynms: examples: "he poured over the papers" (what did he pour? WHY would he do such a thing? Didn't it make a mess?) "she peddled her bicycle" (OK, I guess you can, but it seems a bit distracted to me to postpone a trip to grandma's house to sell one's bicycle, and wouldn't that slow you down, especially since you now have to walk there?) and so forth. Am I the only one that notices that even highly reputable publishers and newspapers seem to be mistaking spellchecking for proofreading these days? Gross mispronunciation: examples: my current raw nerve, the Texas Instruments DLP commercial series with the little girl: "It's the mirs!" I really want them to either teach her that mirror has two syllables or change their website to itsthemirs.com. If it's acceptable to mangle pronunciation in even the most formal, planned, and high-priced corporate contexts (and surely an advertising campaign is just that), then can we at least shoot for consistency and change the spelling? Let's all spend Febby-airy going to the liberry to look up nukular mirs. Let the rant begin, and with examples! ;-) --pig, noting she didn't notice any knee pain while contemplating/typing this |
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The Congenitally Grammar-Picky (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
pig, I sympathize with the obsession over language and usage. My current pet
peeve (and I've sent multiple emails to the about it) is the inability of any reporter on NPR to pronounce the word 'veterinary' or 'veterinarian' correctly. The'er' is dropped from the word entirely. While I may be willing to overlook the pronunciation as a regional dialect in some cases, not so from the mouths of press professionals! -- Debi (and can someone please teach GW how to pronounce 'nuclear'?) Chaos, panic and disorder ... my work here is done. "Megan Zurawicz" wrote in message ... First off, let me make clear that I are one. So I'm not even close to potshotting anybody; I understand the obsessions involved intimately. (My last email rant to a newspaper writer was over the statement "They may not understand that they're implying X." Um, no; if you're implying it, you understand that you are doing so. Now what you choose to *infer* from my statement I may not understand; I won't contest that, as inferring doesn't necessarily have any connection with what the original speaker actually meant. g) So wandering off into a thread that's really geared for us obsessives to mutter together (a recuperation diversiong), which do you find more irksome: Incorrect usage of terminology: examples: misuse of "speaker implies/hearer infers", "very unique" (unique = "one of a kind"---how can something be "very one of a kind"?), "begging the question" being used to mean "leads us to ask" rather than "trying to use what you're trying to prove as proof of itself", etc. Incorrect usage of homonynms: examples: "he poured over the papers" (what did he pour? WHY would he do such a thing? Didn't it make a mess?) "she peddled her bicycle" (OK, I guess you can, but it seems a bit distracted to me to postpone a trip to grandma's house to sell one's bicycle, and wouldn't that slow you down, especially since you now have to walk there?) and so forth. Am I the only one that notices that even highly reputable publishers and newspapers seem to be mistaking spellchecking for proofreading these days? Gross mispronunciation: examples: my current raw nerve, the Texas Instruments DLP commercial series with the little girl: "It's the mirs!" I really want them to either teach her that mirror has two syllables or change their website to itsthemirs.com. If it's acceptable to mangle pronunciation in even the most formal, planned, and high-priced corporate contexts (and surely an advertising campaign is just that), then can we at least shoot for consistency and change the spelling? Let's all spend Febby-airy going to the liberry to look up nukular mirs. Let the rant begin, and with examples! ;-) --pig, noting she didn't notice any knee pain while contemplating/typing this |
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OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
It's the pronunciations that get to me. I have been stressing to my
students that if they pronounce words correctly, they will be more likely to spell them correctly. Then I walked into a 5th grade classroom where the teacher had written the date as Valentines Day, Febuary 14, 2007. On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:27:05 -0600, Megan Zurawicz wrote: First off, let me make clear that I are one. So I'm not even close to potshotting anybody; I understand the obsessions involved intimately. (My last email rant to a newspaper writer was over the statement "They may not understand that they're implying X." Um, no; if you're implying it, you understand that you are doing so. Now what you choose to *infer* from my statement I may not understand; I won't contest that, as inferring doesn't necessarily have any connection with what the original speaker actually meant. g) So wandering off into a thread that's really geared for us obsessives to mutter together (a recuperation diversiong), which do you find more irksome: Incorrect usage of terminology: examples: misuse of "speaker implies/hearer infers", "very unique" (unique = "one of a kind"---how can something be "very one of a kind"?), "begging the question" being used to mean "leads us to ask" rather than "trying to use what you're trying to prove as proof of itself", etc. Incorrect usage of homonynms: examples: "he poured over the papers" (what did he pour? WHY would he do such a thing? Didn't it make a mess?) "she peddled her bicycle" (OK, I guess you can, but it seems a bit distracted to me to postpone a trip to grandma's house to sell one's bicycle, and wouldn't that slow you down, especially since you now have to walk there?) and so forth. Am I the only one that notices that even highly reputable publishers and newspapers seem to be mistaking spellchecking for proofreading these days? Gross mispronunciation: examples: my current raw nerve, the Texas Instruments DLP commercial series with the little girl: "It's the mirs!" I really want them to either teach her that mirror has two syllables or change their website to itsthemirs.com. If it's acceptable to mangle pronunciation in even the most formal, planned, and high-priced corporate contexts (and surely an advertising campaign is just that), then can we at least shoot for consistency and change the spelling? Let's all spend Febby-airy going to the liberry to look up nukular mirs. Let the rant begin, and with examples! ;-) --pig, noting she didn't notice any knee pain while contemplating/typing this Linda PATCHogue, NY |
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The Congenitally Grammar-Picky (was OT Grammar Book NewLog Cabin Quilt)
warsh (as in wash)
are when it should be our masonry said as masonary. Just a few off the top of my head. Is this good for your recovery pig? Taria Debi Matlack wrote: pig, I sympathize with the obsession over language and usage. My current pet peeve (and I've sent multiple emails to the about it) is the inability of any reporter on NPR to pronounce the word 'veterinary' or 'veterinarian' correctly. The'er' is dropped from the word entirely. While I may be willing to overlook the pronunciation as a regional dialect in some cases, not so from the mouths of press professionals! |
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The Congenitally Grammar-Picky (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
Distraction from contemplation of pain is always a good thing.
--pig On 2/21/07 20:36, in article 0l7Dh.1270$5F5.203@trnddc02, "Taria" wrote: Is this good for your recovery pig? |
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OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
Oh, good grief!! As the daughter of an English major, all the things
mentioned annoy me. My mom use to tell me the very same thing; pronounce it correctly, and spelling becomes much easier. Her other favorite remark was "Words have meanings!" She said this when people used a word in the wrong context, or used it to mean something it was never intended to mean. -- TerriLee in WA (state) remove the cats to reply http://community.webshots.com/user/tlbishop "WitchyStitcher" wrote in message ... It's the pronunciations that get to me. I have been stressing to my students that if they pronounce words correctly, they will be more likely to spell them correctly. Then I walked into a 5th grade classroom where the teacher had written the date as Valentines Day, Febuary 14, 2007. On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:27:05 -0600, Megan Zurawicz wrote: First off, let me make clear that I are one. So I'm not even close to potshotting anybody; I understand the obsessions involved intimately. (My last email rant to a newspaper writer was over the statement "They may not understand that they're implying X." Um, no; if you're implying it, you understand that you are doing so. Now what you choose to *infer* from my statement I may not understand; I won't contest that, as inferring doesn't necessarily have any connection with what the original speaker actually meant. g) So wandering off into a thread that's really geared for us obsessives to mutter together (a recuperation diversiong), which do you find more irksome: Incorrect usage of terminology: examples: misuse of "speaker implies/hearer infers", "very unique" (unique = "one of a kind"---how can something be "very one of a kind"?), "begging the question" being used to mean "leads us to ask" rather than "trying to use what you're trying to prove as proof of itself", etc. Incorrect usage of homonynms: examples: "he poured over the papers" (what did he pour? WHY would he do such a thing? Didn't it make a mess?) "she peddled her bicycle" (OK, I guess you can, but it seems a bit distracted to me to postpone a trip to grandma's house to sell one's bicycle, and wouldn't that slow you down, especially since you now have to walk there?) and so forth. Am I the only one that notices that even highly reputable publishers and newspapers seem to be mistaking spellchecking for proofreading these days? Gross mispronunciation: examples: my current raw nerve, the Texas Instruments DLP commercial series with the little girl: "It's the mirs!" I really want them to either teach her that mirror has two syllables or change their website to itsthemirs.com. If it's acceptable to mangle pronunciation in even the most formal, planned, and high-priced corporate contexts (and surely an advertising campaign is just that), then can we at least shoot for consistency and change the spelling? Let's all spend Febby-airy going to the liberry to look up nukular mirs. Let the rant begin, and with examples! ;-) --pig, noting she didn't notice any knee pain while contemplating/typing this Linda PATCHogue, NY |
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OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
) I am known for my red pen - honestly!
I am currently going through training on our upcoming new software change, and promptly took my red pen to the instruction manual to point out misspellings and grammar issues. I then handed it back to the instructor. Oh, we are paying $1 million dollars for this change, so it seems the least they could do is spell correctly! Our CEO and Deputy Executive Officer routinely send out system-wide emails with misspellings and bad grammar. Sheesh! Ginger in CA spelling has just always been "one of my things" On Feb 21, 7:19 pm, "TerriLee in WA \(state\)" wrote: Oh, good grief!! As the daughter of an English major, all the things mentioned annoy me. My mom use to tell me the very same thing; pronounce it correctly, and spelling becomes much easier. Her other favorite remark was "Words have meanings!" She said this when people used a word in the wrong context, or used it to mean something it was never intended to mean. -- TerriLee in WA (state) remove the cats to replyhttp://community.webshots.com/user/tlbishop - |
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OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
Such errors in a training manual are inexcusable!
I am slipping into the habit of using internet abbreviations/grammar/punctuation in emails and posts, but I would never mail a letter that was not thoroughly checked. The same applies to the notes I print out for my classes. I will not pass out notes that have spelling/grammar errors. And it annoys me that my failing eyesight means that I might miss spelling errors more often now. (Don't anyone mention spellcheck - we use English spelling here, remember lol) But what excuse do Govt Departments have to allow such poor standards of correspondence on their letterheads? The attitude now is "if it gets the message across, what difference does it make?", but I recently wrote a tender for a friend who is definitely challenged in the writing skills area. When he was advised that he had won the tender he was told that his was not the best bid, but that he had submitted the most professional paperwork and was therefore seen as the best tenderer. So at least some out there still look for standards in writing and communication. -- Cheryl & the Cats in OZ o o o o ( Y ) ( Y ) Boofhead Donut http://community.webshots.com/user/witchofthewest catsatararatATyahooDOTcomDOTau "Ginger in CA" wrote in message oups.com... : ) I am known for my red pen - honestly! : I am currently going through training on our upcoming new software : change, and promptly took my red pen to the instruction manual to : point out misspellings and grammar issues. I then handed it back to : the instructor. Oh, we are paying $1 million dollars for this change, : so it seems the least they could do is spell correctly! : : Our CEO and Deputy Executive Officer routinely send out system-wide : emails with misspellings and bad grammar. Sheesh! : : Ginger in CA : spelling has just always been "one of my things" : On Feb 21, 7:19 pm, "TerriLee in WA \(state\)" : wrote: : : Oh, good grief!! As the daughter of an English major, all the things : mentioned annoy me. My mom use to tell me the very same thing; pronounce it : correctly, and spelling becomes much easier. Her other favorite remark was : "Words have meanings!" She said this when people used a word in the wrong : context, or used it to mean something it was never intended to mean. : -- : TerriLee in WA (state) : remove the cats to replyhttp://community.webshots.com/user/tlbishop : - : : |
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OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:43:18 -0500, WitchyStitcher
wrote: It's the pronunciations that get to me. I have been stressing to my students that if they pronounce words correctly, they will be more likely to spell them correctly. Then I walked into a 5th grade classroom where the teacher had written the date as Valentines Day, Febuary 14, 2007. snip This is an interesting subject albeit OT. However, how do you address the differences with pronunciation between regions? Who determines what is correct and incorrect? How do you account for the very significant differences or, more correctly, changes in the meaning of words, take 'gay' for example or 'cool'. The big strength of the English language and no doubt other languages is they change through common usage to reflect the needs of the users and pressures of the time. While I agree with everyone on the irritation of mispronunciation, bad grammar, mangled use of words, I'm afraid this is the result of working in a 'living' and 'dynamic' language. |
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OT: The Congenitally Grammar-Picky (was OT Grammar Book New Log Cabin Quilt)
I do so agree ...
but, if I started, there would be a book-length message g I will pick just one, of the moment: 'You really can't underestimate how important that is". (I did know about the book title, but it didn't seem vital, in context, to mention it g) .. In message , Megan Zurawicz writes First off, let me make clear that I are one. So I'm not even close to potshotting anybody; I understand the obsessions involved intimately. (My last email rant to a newspaper writer was over the statement "They may not understand that they're implying X." Um, no; if you're implying it, you understand that you are doing so. Now what you choose to *infer* from my statement I may not understand; I won't contest that, as inferring doesn't necessarily have any connection with what the original speaker actually meant. g) So wandering off into a thread that's really geared for us obsessives to mutter together (a recuperation diversiong), which do you find more irksome: Incorrect usage of terminology: examples: misuse of "speaker implies/hearer infers", "very unique" (unique = "one of a kind"---how can something be "very one of a kind"?), "begging the question" being used to mean "leads us to ask" rather than "trying to use what you're trying to prove as proof of itself", etc. Incorrect usage of homonynms: examples: "he poured over the papers" (what did he pour? WHY would he do such a thing? Didn't it make a mess?) "she peddled her bicycle" (OK, I guess you can, but it seems a bit distracted to me to postpone a trip to grandma's house to sell one's bicycle, and wouldn't that slow you down, especially since you now have to walk there?) and so forth. Am I the only one that notices that even highly reputable publishers and newspapers seem to be mistaking spellchecking for proofreading these days? Gross mispronunciation: examples: my current raw nerve, the Texas Instruments DLP commercial series with the little girl: "It's the mirs!" I really want them to either teach her that mirror has two syllables or change their website to itsthemirs.com. If it's acceptable to mangle pronunciation in even the most formal, planned, and high-priced corporate contexts (and surely an advertising campaign is just that), then can we at least shoot for consistency and change the spelling? Let's all spend Febby-airy going to the liberry to look up nukular mirs. Let the rant begin, and with examples! ;-) --pig, noting she didn't notice any knee pain while contemplating/typing this -- Best Regards pat on the hill |
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