need help on gauge

Could you expert knitters please help me ?
I have a pattern with 12 st/20 rows to 4 inches.
The yarn I have is gauged at 16 st/23 rows to 4 inches.

How do I start knowing which other size needles to try to figure out how close
I can come for this yarn to work with this pattern?
I am at a loss.

Thanks Karen. I do not know what they used on the pattern but I am using oiled
wool and definitely worsted.

"BDS2pds" wrote in message
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Could you expert knitters please help me ?
I have a pattern with 12 st/20 rows to 4 inches.
The yarn I have is gauged at 16 st/23 rows to 4 inches.

How do I start knowing which other size needles to try to figure out how
close
I can come for this yarn to work with this pattern?
I am at a loss.

I'm nowhere near an expert knitter, but I'll try.

Does it give you a needle size to start with? If it gives you a needle size
to start with and your pattern calls for a smaller gauge, go down a size or
two from that needle size and make a swatch. That pattern gauge of 12/st to
4 inches is somewhere about a bulky or chunky I think -- if it didn't give
you a needle size to start with, I'd probably start with a 9 or 10 and do a
swatch from that.

Karen in MN

(16-12) / 12 equals a thirty percent difference between the yarn called for
in the pattern and the guage recomemded for the yarn. That is a lot. That
is the difference between and a 30 inch bust and an 40 inch bust. More
importantly the stitches will not look right and the fabric will not feel
right or drape correctly.

If you like the pattern, get a yarn that is guaged approximatly 12/20. If
you like the yarn, get a pattern suitable for the gauge of the yarn. Then
swatch to make sure you are knitting on guage.

The big cost in knitting is time. Get a yarn and a pattern that work
together, and do not try to force fit a yarn to a pattern. If you try to
use the wrong yarn on a pattern, you will just waste both the yarn and the
time.

Aaron



"BDS2pds" wrote in message
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Could you expert knitters please help me ?
I have a pattern with 12 st/20 rows to 4 inches.
The yarn I have is gauged at 16 st/23 rows to 4 inches.

How do I start knowing which other size needles to try to figure out how
close
I can come for this yarn to work with this pattern?
I am at a loss.

Thanks Aaron. I will stick with the original chart and make the others later.
I have the book coming "men in knits- sweaters men will wear" and thought
perhaps I could switch to one of those patterns but thank you for your honest
opinion because I do not have time to do anything magic right now.



(16-12) / 12 equals a thirty percent difference between the yarn called for
in the pattern and the guage recomemded for the yarn. That is a lot. That
is the difference between and a 30 inch bust and an 40 inch bust. More
importantly the stitches will not look right and the fabric will not feel
right or drape correctly.

If you like the pattern, get a yarn that is guaged approximatly 12/20. If
you like the yarn, get a pattern suitable for the gauge of the yarn. Then
swatch to make sure you are knitting on guage.

The big cost in knitting is time. Get a yarn and a pattern that work
together, and do not try to force fit a yarn to a pattern. If you try to
use the wrong yarn on a pattern, you will just waste both the yarn and the
time.

Aaron



"BDS2pds" wrote in message
...
Could you expert knitters please help me ?
I have a pattern with 12 st/20 rows to 4 inches.
The yarn I have is gauged at 16 st/23 rows to 4 inches.

How do I start knowing which other size needles to try to figure out how
close
I can come for this yarn to work with this pattern?
I am at a loss.

I hope you'll post an opinion on that book after you get it. I saw it
advertised, but it's not in stock here, and I'm curious as to what it's
like.


"BDS2pds" wrote in message
...
Thanks Aaron. I will stick with the original chart and make the others
later.
I have the book coming "men in knits- sweaters men will wear" and thought
perhaps I could switch to one of those patterns but thank you for your
honest
opinion because I do not have time to do anything magic right now.



(16-12) / 12 equals a thirty percent difference between the yarn called
for
in the pattern and the guage recomemded for the yarn. That is a lot.
That
is the difference between and a 30 inch bust and an 40 inch bust. More
importantly the stitches will not look right and the fabric will not feel
right or drape correctly.

If you like the pattern, get a yarn that is guaged approximatly 12/20.
If
you like the yarn, get a pattern suitable for the gauge of the yarn.
Then
swatch to make sure you are knitting on guage.

The big cost in knitting is time. Get a yarn and a pattern that work
together, and do not try to force fit a yarn to a pattern. If you try to
use the wrong yarn on a pattern, you will just waste both the yarn and
the
time.

Aaron



"BDS2pds" wrote in message
...
Could you expert knitters please help me ?
I have a pattern with 12 st/20 rows to 4 inches.
The yarn I have is gauged at 16 st/23 rows to 4 inches.

How do I start knowing which other size needles to try to figure out
how
close
I can come for this yarn to work with this pattern?
I am at a loss.

You've got it Karen!!!
I am hoping for some interesting ones for my darling hubby. Blast the
greenhouse effect it is 80 degrees here in VA in November. When can a body
wear a sweater? The book shall be here next week I fear. Then some decisions
to make.

This last statement is only true *IF* a person mistakenly tries to use
the 'new' yarn with the needles recommended for the pattern yarn.

A perfectly acceptable solution is to refigure the pattern so that it
fits the 'new' yarn gauge - then you get the best of both, the sweater
style you wanted using the yarn that you wanted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep - it *can* be done, I do it all the time . . . the main place you
could run into trouble is if there is much shaping - that part is a
little more tricky.

Sonya


If you like the pattern, get a yarn that is guaged approximatly
12/20. If
you like the yarn, get a pattern suitable for the gauge of the yarn. Then
swatch to make sure you are knitting on guage.

The big cost in knitting is time. Get a yarn and a pattern that work
together, and do not try to force fit a yarn to a pattern. If you try to
use the wrong yarn on a pattern, you will just waste both the yarn and the
time.

Aaron

BDS2
so your pattern`s guague is
3 st = 1 inch in width and
5 rows to 1 inch in height
your yarm is
4 st to = 1 inch in width ,,,,, now how many inches is your work to be
??? you can transliterate your pattern into inches and back into the
guague of YOUR yarn ,,, without changing needle size , when you PUSH
squeeze wool to adjust to the Guague given you will get a Harder knit
and Less warm , as the Air holes are the real Warming factor of a
knit.
mirjam

Could you expert knitters please help me ?
I have a pattern with 12 st/20 rows to 4 inches.
The yarn I have is gauged at 16 st/23 rows to 4 inches.

How do I start knowing which other size needles to try to figure out how close
I can come for this yarn to work with this pattern?
I am at a loss.

"BDS2pds" wrote in message
...
You've got it Karen!!!
I am hoping for some interesting ones for my darling hubby. Blast the
greenhouse effect it is 80 degrees here in VA in November. When can a
body
wear a sweater? The book shall be here next week I fear. Then some
decisions
to make.

80 in VA???? Oh my. It's supposed to get down to 3 degrees here tonight
(Minnesota) -- I'm about ready to start looking for wool nightie patterns!


Karen in MN