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  #31  
Old July 7th 08, 12:46 AM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
nzlstar*[_2_]
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Default Fri evening update [was OT [very] My Hometown is on Fire]

wow, as you're here typing i guess you made it thru that
night intact with no damage to the house.
that is good news. {{{{{Pam}}}}}}

the 'sovereign nation' thing on some issues that are a
safety issue, to me seems just plain stupid.
now had it been a 'security issue' i'll just betcha there'd
be more than the police showing up in record time, sovereign
nation be damned.
very strange indeed they will sell the fireworks but also
dont want them set off on their land.
so if there is nowhere legal to set them off, why does
anyone sell them?
i'll assume the stuff is all imported? how can they come
thru US state territory legally?
or do they have their own airport and fly them into their
own sovereign nation?
its all baffling to me, in the extreme.
j.

"Dragonfly" wrote...
Here (New Mexico) there are all sorts of restrictions on
what is legal to buy/sell in the in-town fireworks stands,
and restrictions on what can be shot off, due to fire
danger. (Nothing louder than a cap pistol, nothing going
higher than ten feet, must be used on pavement.) All is
well-regulated in the stores and the fireworks stands.

However, we are surrounded by Indian pueblos (considered
sovereign nations not governed by those restrictions) and
they sell all sorts of things. [Interestingly enough, they
also have signs in their parking lots saying to not shoot
off fireworks in the parking lot, nor elsewhere on Indian
land.]

We saw illegal fireworks shows going off all around us on
the 4th, as well as the magnificent one put on (legally)
by the city, which we can see from our backyard. [BTW, all
those neighbors with illegal fireworks could have seen the
City's show, as well, if they had bothered.] Everything
shot off by our neighbors was quite a bit louder than a
cap pistol, and went over ten feet in the air. Some were
shooting off rockets going 100 feet or more in the air.
And, to avoid the police getting there in time for their
$100-$1000 fines, most were shooting off lots of stuff all
at once, so that each individual's "fireworks show" was
over in a few minutes.

Very dangerous to shoot everything off at once like that,
in an area with homes, surrounded by dry vegetation. Makes
you want to wish that those things land on *their* roof,
not ours!

Stupid, stupid people. (And I don't normally use that word
to describe anyone.)

Dragonfly (Pam)

"nzlstar*" wrote in message
...
snipped
seems to me its asking for more trouble when no one in
authority has the good sense to cancel all fireworks
displays and/or sale in areas where there is a high fire
risk.
is the 4th of July really all that important that it is
worth the risk of setting more fires in those areas?
flabberghasted and gobsmacked,
j.





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  #32  
Old July 8th 08, 07:18 AM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
Debra
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Default OT [very] My Hometown is on Fire

On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 07:49:33 -0700 (PDT), Ginger in CA
wrote:

On this day of celebration please hug your loved ones, and be careful
with fireworks and celebrations.

Ginger in CA


Hope you're ok.

We don't buy fireworks anymore. There has been drought in this area
for the last 10 years.
Debra in VA
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  #33  
Old July 8th 08, 07:20 AM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
Dragonfly
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Default Fri evening update [was OT [very] My Hometown is on Fire]

Actually the "Hometown is on Fire" part was from someone's post from
California. We're not on fire in my part of NM....but some other parts of it
are on fire. Nothing close enough that we have any smoke here, but close
enough they get some coverage on the evening news. One area has had three
major fires (people evacuated, structures destroyed) in the past two months.
That's why fireworks (except the small stuff) were banned this year.

Imported fireworks, yes. I think they all are. I don't know how the pueblos
have been able to buy them to resell. Interesting question.

The Native Americans have an interesting separate-nation-within-a-nation
thing going on. They are subject to some federal laws, and some state ones,
but state and neighboring cities' law enforcement have no jurisdiction
there. They have their own police forces, however.

A common ploy of drunk drivers is to outrun the police during a chase to the
nearest Pueblo, where they can't do a thing.

Too many one-car rollovers near the pueblos/casinos around here as a
result........ (Once again, "stupid people" and I don't use that word
often!)

Dragonfly (Pam)

"nzlstar*" wrote in message
...
wow, as you're here typing i guess you made it thru that night intact with
no damage to the house.
that is good news. {{{{{Pam}}}}}}

the 'sovereign nation' thing on some issues that are a safety issue, to me
seems just plain stupid.
now had it been a 'security issue' i'll just betcha there'd be more than
the police showing up in record time, sovereign nation be damned.
very strange indeed they will sell the fireworks but also dont want them
set off on their land.
so if there is nowhere legal to set them off, why does anyone sell them?
i'll assume the stuff is all imported? how can they come thru US state
territory legally?
or do they have their own airport and fly them into their own sovereign
nation?
its all baffling to me, in the extreme.
j.

"Dragonfly" wrote...
Here (New Mexico) there are all sorts of restrictions on what is legal to
buy/sell in the in-town fireworks stands, and restrictions on what can be
shot off, due to fire danger. (Nothing louder than a cap pistol, nothing
going higher than ten feet, must be used on pavement.) All is
well-regulated in the stores and the fireworks stands.

However, we are surrounded by Indian pueblos (considered sovereign
nations not governed by those restrictions) and they sell all sorts of
things. [Interestingly enough, they also have signs in their parking lots
saying to not shoot off fireworks in the parking lot, nor elsewhere on
Indian land.]

We saw illegal fireworks shows going off all around us on the 4th, as
well as the magnificent one put on (legally) by the city, which we can
see from our backyard. [BTW, all those neighbors with illegal fireworks
could have seen the City's show, as well, if they had bothered.]
Everything shot off by our neighbors was quite a bit louder than a cap
pistol, and went over ten feet in the air. Some were shooting off rockets
going 100 feet or more in the air. And, to avoid the police getting there
in time for their $100-$1000 fines, most were shooting off lots of stuff
all at once, so that each individual's "fireworks show" was over in a few
minutes.

Very dangerous to shoot everything off at once like that, in an area with
homes, surrounded by dry vegetation. Makes you want to wish that those
things land on *their* roof, not ours!

Stupid, stupid people. (And I don't normally use that word to describe
anyone.)

Dragonfly (Pam)

"nzlstar*" wrote in message
...
snipped
seems to me its asking for more trouble when no one in authority has the
good sense to cancel all fireworks displays and/or sale in areas where
there is a high fire risk.
is the 4th of July really all that important that it is worth the risk
of setting more fires in those areas?
flabberghasted and gobsmacked,
j.






  #34  
Old July 8th 08, 08:04 AM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
Debbi in SO CA
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Default OT [very] My Hometown is on Fire

Ginger,
I feel for you. Sounds like SO CA in October. If you need to get out of
Dodge, feel free to drive down here. I have room now that I got rid of
the abused woman and house has not yet sold.

Debbi in SO CA


Ginger in CA wrote:
A couple of days ago someone started a fire on the hills, possibly
illegal fireworks, just near the gun club my dad built, and where I
learned so much about life and myself [besides learning to be a crack
shot]. The fire is now over 5000 acres and is heading into Goleta, a
town near Santa Barbara [central coast Calif]. There has been
structure loss and massive mandatory evacuations. Eighteen years ago
there was a fire that marched from the top of the mountain down to the
ocean in less than 3 hours, destroying most everything in its path,

The Gap Fire, as it is called, started in windy Gap area of the hills.
It is considered the #1 priority fire in state of Calif right now as I
type. That is saying something, seeing how many fires are going right
now.

How am I affected, 40 miles away? The smoke in the air here is
unhealthy, the uncertainty of who of my friends will be evacuated
next. My friend was evacuated last night. He got two carloads out and
wanted to go back in but cannot.

On this day of celebration please hug your loved ones, and be careful
with fireworks and celebrations.

Ginger in CA

  #35  
Old July 8th 08, 02:06 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
KJ
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Default Fri evening update [was OT [very] My Hometown is on Fire]

The separate nation thing has come to light with one of my Arizona friends.
Her son was arrested on a road that is half reservation and half city
jurisdiction. The reservation has kept the truck he was driving. They have
no recourse that doesn't cost more than the truck!

Kathyl (KJ)
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"Dragonfly" wrote in message
...
Actually the "Hometown is on Fire" part was from someone's post from
California. We're not on fire in my part of NM....but some other parts of
it are on fire. Nothing close enough that we have any smoke here, but
close enough they get some coverage on the evening news. One area has had
three major fires (people evacuated, structures destroyed) in the past two
months. That's why fireworks (except the small stuff) were banned this
year.

Imported fireworks, yes. I think they all are. I don't know how the
pueblos have been able to buy them to resell. Interesting question.

The Native Americans have an interesting separate-nation-within-a-nation
thing going on. They are subject to some federal laws, and some state
ones, but state and neighboring cities' law enforcement have no
jurisdiction there. They have their own police forces, however.

A common ploy of drunk drivers is to outrun the police during a chase to
the nearest Pueblo, where they can't do a thing.

Too many one-car rollovers near the pueblos/casinos around here as a
result........ (Once again, "stupid people" and I don't use that word
often!)

Dragonfly (Pam)

"nzlstar*" wrote in message
...
wow, as you're here typing i guess you made it thru that night intact
with no damage to the house.
that is good news. {{{{{Pam}}}}}}

the 'sovereign nation' thing on some issues that are a safety issue, to
me seems just plain stupid.
now had it been a 'security issue' i'll just betcha there'd be more than
the police showing up in record time, sovereign nation be damned.
very strange indeed they will sell the fireworks but also dont want them
set off on their land.
so if there is nowhere legal to set them off, why does anyone sell them?
i'll assume the stuff is all imported? how can they come thru US state
territory legally?
or do they have their own airport and fly them into their own sovereign
nation?
its all baffling to me, in the extreme.
j.

"Dragonfly" wrote...
Here (New Mexico) there are all sorts of restrictions on what is legal
to buy/sell in the in-town fireworks stands, and restrictions on what
can be shot off, due to fire danger. (Nothing louder than a cap pistol,
nothing going higher than ten feet, must be used on pavement.) All is
well-regulated in the stores and the fireworks stands.

However, we are surrounded by Indian pueblos (considered sovereign
nations not governed by those restrictions) and they sell all sorts of
things. [Interestingly enough, they also have signs in their parking
lots saying to not shoot off fireworks in the parking lot, nor elsewhere
on Indian land.]

We saw illegal fireworks shows going off all around us on the 4th, as
well as the magnificent one put on (legally) by the city, which we can
see from our backyard. [BTW, all those neighbors with illegal fireworks
could have seen the City's show, as well, if they had bothered.]
Everything shot off by our neighbors was quite a bit louder than a cap
pistol, and went over ten feet in the air. Some were shooting off
rockets going 100 feet or more in the air. And, to avoid the police
getting there in time for their $100-$1000 fines, most were shooting off
lots of stuff all at once, so that each individual's "fireworks show"
was over in a few minutes.

Very dangerous to shoot everything off at once like that, in an area
with homes, surrounded by dry vegetation. Makes you want to wish that
those things land on *their* roof, not ours!

Stupid, stupid people. (And I don't normally use that word to describe
anyone.)

Dragonfly (Pam)

"nzlstar*" wrote in message
...
snipped
seems to me its asking for more trouble when no one in authority has
the good sense to cancel all fireworks displays and/or sale in areas
where there is a high fire risk.
is the 4th of July really all that important that it is worth the risk
of setting more fires in those areas?
flabberghasted and gobsmacked,
j.








 




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