Grammy Glass

In article ,
uppies (Dr. Sooz) wrote:

Great stuff. What the heck is her name?!?! My pet peeve -- since I do the
Links List, but also because I don't understand why women have to hide
themselves and their light -- Why don't a lot of female artists mention their
NAME on their website? MEN ALWAYS DO.

Men are raised to be proud of their accomplishments, and they're taught
to promote themselves. That's one of the main reasons they make more
money than women. Women, *especially* women of her generation (guessing
from the "Grammy" part of her business name) were taught to be humble
about their accomplishments, and to downplay themselves. (I know I don't
need to tell you this... you know!) Women of MY generation were raised
by enlightened women of her generation who had learned that the role
they'd been raised in was bullsh*t, and did their best to teach us to
take pride in our accomplishments... but we still have a hard time,
because our mothers could *tell* us to be proud and to promote
ourselves, but they still, unconsciously, were living the old way and
could not *show* us.

We all need to try consciously to display these skills. Some women
(Tink!) are really good at it, and set a good example for the rest of us.

--
-Kalera
Mom of Juliet, 5, Sam, 3, and Ophelia, born 5/31/03
Wife of the incomparable Moxley of www.spaceplex.com
See us at www.strattonhome.org

While compiling the Links List, I've had to email countless women artists to
ask what the heck their names are. I couldn't find any hint of a name on their
websites -- or maybe just a first name hidden away somewhere.

This is why I'm so aware of the problem. (You can't imagine how many women do
this. All ages, every beading discipline, from lampworkers to
beadweavers.....) I realize why we do it.....having been a feminist for 31
years now (as you noted, Kalera). I just get arrgh about it. Like I want to
grab them and give them a pencil and say, "Write your name. Then say it. Out
loud. Now, repeat." Sigh.

Men are raised to be proud of their accomplishments, and they're taught
to promote themselves. That's one of the main reasons they make more
money than women. Women, *especially* women of her generation (guessing
from the "Grammy" part of her business name) were taught to be humble
about their accomplishments, and to downplay themselves. (I know I don't
need to tell you this... you know!) Women of MY generation were raised
by enlightened women of her generation who had learned that the role
they'd been raised in was bullsh*t, and did their best to teach us to
take pride in our accomplishments... but we still have a hard time,
because our mothers could *tell* us to be proud and to promote
ourselves, but they still, unconsciously, were living the old way and
could not *show* us.

We all need to try consciously to display these skills. Some women
(Tink!) are really good at it, and set a good example for the rest of us.

--
-Kalera


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Thank you, Kalera... It's a constant battle with myself though. Even my
recent experience of having folks point out to me that they didn't like the
stuff on my auctions where I wrote about myself in the third person. It was
very difficult to say what I said in the first person, even though I believe
it.

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"Kalera Stratton" wrote in message
...

We all need to try consciously to display these skills. Some women
(Tink!) are really good at it, and set a good example for the rest of us.

And this is why I don't want to be Alaskan Artistry or Northern Lights
Shinies. I am me (Peterson) and this is my work. I'll provide information,
but adjectives, which are likely to be subjective any how, are up to the
consumer.

Also (partly due to Depression) I forget what business name goes with which
person and which personality. It makes it even worse to have seller IDs
that are again different. I want to see you name and your claims. I want
you to say "I did this work". Some auctions say, these beads are hand made
and annealed. And I'll think, Oh yeah? By whom? How do you know? So,
state your name, so I can see you stand behind your work and your claims.

Tina


"Dr. Sooz" wrote in message
...
While compiling the Links List, I've had to email countless women artists
to
ask what the heck their names are. I couldn't find any hint of a name on
their
websites -- or maybe just a first name hidden away somewhere.

This is why I'm so aware of the problem. (You can't imagine how many
women do
this. All ages, every beading discipline, from lampworkers to
beadweavers.....) I realize why we do it.....having been a feminist for
31
years now (as you noted, Kalera). I just get arrgh about it. Like I want
to
grab them and give them a pencil and say, "Write your name. Then say it.
Out
loud. Now, repeat." Sigh.

Men are raised to be proud of their accomplishments, and they're taught
to promote themselves. That's one of the main reasons they make more
money than women. Women, *especially* women of her generation (guessing
from the "Grammy" part of her business name) were taught to be humble
about their accomplishments, and to downplay themselves. (I know I don't
need to tell you this... you know!) Women of MY generation were raised
by enlightened women of her generation who had learned that the role
they'd been raised in was bullsh*t, and did their best to teach us to
take pride in our accomplishments... but we still have a hard time,
because our mothers could *tell* us to be proud and to promote
ourselves, but they still, unconsciously, were living the old way and
could not *show* us.

We all need to try consciously to display these skills. Some women
(Tink!) are really good at it, and set a good example for the rest of us.

--
-Kalera


~~
Sooz
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Why don't a lot of female artists mention their NAME on their website? MEN
ALWAYS DO.

I think it might have something to do with the fact that men aren't often
stalked by people who visit their websites, and women are being constantly
counseled about trying to remain anonymous on the web because of all the
"weirdos" out there. Just a thought.

Carol in SLC
(Newest stuff - http://members.aol.com/carolinslc/coralcameo.jpg )
Little sister's new JB auctions 7/12
http://www.justbeads.com/search/ql.cfm?s=63875

Also (partly due to Depression) I forget what business name goes with which
person and which personality. It makes it even worse to have seller IDs
that are again different. I want to see you name and your claims. I want
you to say "I did this work". Some auctions say, these beads are hand made
and annealed. And I'll think, Oh yeah? By whom? How do you know? So,
state your name, so I can see you stand behind your work and your claims.

Yeah. It sucks. I say this with all good-naturedness, okay?-- but I'm also
serious. I am just so tired of it. Who ARE you? *What* are you? You're an
artist. Why the heck are you anonymous? "Anonymous" -- in the world's
quotations -- was a woman. We got no credit for the things we said and did for
eons. It upsets me that women are still perpetrating this. It saddens me. I
want them to stop -- the stuff men do to women in business is bad enough
without our complicity.
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I thought of that too (before I posted my original question). I mean, I have
had stalkers. It's a serious concern. But the more out there you are, the
safer you can be, conversely -- because of being so visible. We can't hide in
the house forever.

I think it might have something to do with the fact that men aren't often
stalked by people who visit their websites, and women are being constantly
counseled about trying to remain anonymous on the web because of all the
"weirdos" out there. Just a thought.

Carol in SLC

Why don't a lot of female artists mention their NAME on their website? MEN
ALWAYS DO.


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Sooz
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We can't hide in the house forever.

We can't???? LOL, this will make Becki hysterical!

Carol in SLC
(Newest stuff - http://members.aol.com/carolinslc/coralcameo.jpg )
Little sister's new JB auctions 7/12
http://www.justbeads.com/search/ql.cfm?s=63875

I too have been stalked. It's one reason why I keep a P O Box. Which I can
then give out quite freely. I agree that being visible does not encourage
stalkers, and might discourage them. Being out there shows confidence. And
fear is one of the greatest tools of stalkers. Abusers in general isolate
their victims first of all.

Tina


"Dr. Sooz" wrote in message
...
I thought of that too (before I posted my original question). I mean, I
have
had stalkers. It's a serious concern. But the more out there you are,
the
safer you can be, conversely -- because of being so visible. We can't
hide in
the house forever.

I think it might have something to do with the fact that men aren't often
stalked by people who visit their websites, and women are being
constantly
counseled about trying to remain anonymous on the web because of all the
"weirdos" out there. Just a thought.

Carol in SLC

Why don't a lot of female artists mention their NAME on their website?
MEN
ALWAYS DO.


~~
Sooz
-------
ESBC
~ Dr. Sooz's Bead Links
http://airandearth.netfirms.com/soozlinkslist.html
~ Bead Notes: Beading information A - Z
http://www.lampwork.net/beadnotes.html

That's what I think it is. Did you ever notice it's generally men who commit
hideous sexual assault and child molestation? I think as women, we think
about safety first and anonymity feels like a good cloak.


"Carol in SLC" wrote in message
...
Why don't a lot of female artists mention their NAME on their website?
MEN
ALWAYS DO.

I think it might have something to do with the fact that men aren't often
stalked by people who visit their websites, and women are being constantly
counseled about trying to remain anonymous on the web because of all the
"weirdos" out there. Just a thought.

Carol in SLC
(Newest stuff - http://members.aol.com/carolinslc/coralcameo.jpg )
Little sister's new JB auctions 7/12
http://www.justbeads.com/search/ql.cfm?s=63875