New Newsgroup

Please forgive the X-post, but trying to get this new newsgroup
working.
It's not that I don't like your newsgroup, actually its very
interesting.
I just think there oughta be an unmoderated one as well.
It's just the rebel/anarchist in me.


Thanx!

Frosty
SilverMan
--

Real debate; No bull****.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hale_Bobb/

& http://halebobb.com

Frosty wrote:
Please forgive the X-post, but trying to get this new newsgroup
working.
It's not that I don't like your newsgroup, actually its very
interesting.
I just think there oughta be an unmoderated one as well.
It's just the rebel/anarchist in me.


Thanx!

Frosty
SilverMan
--

Real debate; No bull****.


That must be a typo, I'm sure you meant to say Real bull****; No debate.

--
Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com

On or about Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:54:57 GMT, an entity identified as
Abrasha proudly proclaimed:

Frosty wrote:
Please forgive the X-post, but trying to get this new newsgroup
working.
It's not that I don't like your newsgroup, actually its very
interesting.
I just think there oughta be an unmoderated one as well.
It's just the rebel/anarchist in me.


Thanx!

Frosty
SilverMan
--

Real debate; No bull****.


That must be a typo, I'm sure you meant to say Real bull****; No debate.

You are correct. Lately there has been a lot of bull**** and very
little debate. Maybe some of you smart guys will join and tell us all
how wrong we are. :-)

--

Si hoc signum legere potes, operis boni in rebus Latinus alacribus et fructuosis
potiri potes!

Frosty wrote:
On or about Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:54:57 GMT, an entity identified as
Abrasha proudly proclaimed:


Frosty wrote:

Please forgive the X-post, but trying to get this new newsgroup
working.
It's not that I don't like your newsgroup, actually its very
interesting.
I just think there oughta be an unmoderated one as well.
It's just the rebel/anarchist in me.


Thanx!

Frosty
SilverMan
--

Real debate; No bull****.


That must be a typo, I'm sure you meant to say Real bull****; No debate.


You are correct. Lately there has been a lot of bull**** and very
little debate. Maybe some of you smart guys will join and tell us all
how wrong we are. :-)


Who is this us? I though you were trying to get a NEW newsgroup going. The way
I see it, there is no "us". There isn't even a newsgroup for "us" to go to.

You are like the stranger who walks into a bar and tells all the regularsto
come to the bar he knows on the other side of town, one that nobody else knows
about, with the promise that it might be better there. Sorry to break it to you
pal, we're just not interested. The beer and the company are just fine here.

Why don't you just go and start your new unmoderated newsgroup and see what
happens. I think that basically with what this ng, Orchid and r.c.m has to
offer, we're just not going to be very interested over at your place.

--
Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:18:02 GMT, Frosty wrote:

Please forgive the X-post, but trying to get this new newsgroup
working.
It's not that I don't like your newsgroup, actually its very
interesting.
I just think there oughta be an unmoderated one as well.
It's just the rebel/anarchist in me.


Thanx!

Frosty
SilverMan
--

Real debate; No bull****.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hale_Bobb/

That's not a newsgroup. That's a web board run by Yahoo.
--
Marilee J. Layman
http://mjlayman.livejournal.com/

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:54:42 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry "Marilee J. Layman"
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:18:02 GMT, Frosty wrote:

Please forgive the X-post, but trying to get this new newsgroup
working.
It's not that I don't like your newsgroup, actually its very
interesting.
I just think there oughta be an unmoderated one as well.
It's just the rebel/anarchist in me.


Thanx!

Frosty
SilverMan
--

Real debate; No bull****.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hale_Bobb/

That's not a newsgroup. That's a web board run by Yahoo.

Yes, and that board's mention is merely part of his sig file. I think what he's
referring to was the other newsgroup to which the post was, as suggested by his
first sentence, cross posted to, alt.rec.crafts.jewelry.

I haven't checked to see whether there is in fact such a group, and wonder what
steps the poster has taken to get one established. Alt groups are easierto get
started than groups in the big eight hierarchies, but it takes certain formal
steps to do. And then, presumably, one needs people to take advantage ofit in
order for it to amount to anything useful.

In the case of this alt group, if it becomes established and known, it might be
useful, or might suffer the fate this group seemed headed for when users voted
to have it converted into a moderated group back in '97, and that was an ever
increasing flood of advertising. Back then, ebay wasn't what it is now, and
I'll bet if this alt group does indeed get established, it will quickly become
little more than an advertising board for ebay ads. or maybe not. perhaps
I'm being too much of a cynic.

cheers

Peter

On or about Sat, 03 Jun 2006 01:03:11 GMT, an entity identified as
"Peter W.. Rowe," proudly
proclaimed:

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:54:42 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry "Marilee J. Layman"
wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 14:18:02 GMT, Frosty wrote:

Please forgive the X-post, but trying to get this new newsgroup
working.
It's not that I don't like your newsgroup, actually its very
interesting.
I just think there oughta be an unmoderated one as well.
It's just the rebel/anarchist in me.


Thanx!

Frosty
SilverMan
--

Real debate; No bull****.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hale_Bobb/

That's not a newsgroup. That's a web board run by Yahoo.

Yes, and that board's mention is merely part of his sig file. I think what he's
referring to was the other newsgroup to which the post was, as suggestedby his
first sentence, cross posted to, alt.rec.crafts.jewelry.

True.

I haven't checked to see whether there is in fact such a group, and wonder what
steps the poster has taken to get one established. Alt groups are easier to get
started than groups in the big eight hierarchies, but it takes certain formal
steps to do. And then, presumably, one needs people to take advantage of it in
order for it to amount to anything useful.

I sent a "control post" as one must to create a newsgroup.


In the case of this alt group, if it becomes established and known, it might be
useful, or might suffer the fate this group seemed headed for when usersvoted
to have it converted into a moderated group back in '97, and that was anever
increasing flood of advertising. Back then, ebay wasn't what it is now,and
I'll bet if this alt group does indeed get established, it will quickly become
little more than an advertising board for ebay ads. or maybe not. perhaps
I'm being too much of a cynic.

No, you're probably correct.
It's be a place with lots of spam. Such is the nature of the
alt.hierachy.
But that's what ~*PLONK*~ filters are for.
cheers

Peter

SilverMan
--

Real debate; No bull****.(OK, well maybe a little.)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hale_Bobb/

& http://halebobb.com

On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 23:23:44 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry Frosty
wrote:


I sent a "control post" as one must to create a newsgroup.

While in theory, this is all that's needed to create an Alt newsgroup, now your
task is to convince news administrators to carry it on their servers. That's
the hard part. You may need to send that control message several times. And it
will help (perhaps a lot, from what I've read) to also propose/defend/justify
the proposed new group on alt.config (I think that's the one. do some homework
to be sure...) Also, if you can find public news servers (not just your own, if
you have one) who have picked it up, be sure messages to that group get posted
there. it will help in convincing other news admins that there is indeed
traffic, and therefor some reason to get off their butts and add the group.

Although no formal vote or similar structured creation process is needed in the
Alt heirarchy, you still have to jump through the human loops of getting news
admins, often overworked and sometimes underskilled people, to get on board.
It's not as automatic as one might wish.

You are aware, I'm sure, that there are already a few somewhat related groups,
such as pdaxs.ads.jewelry, alt.diamonds and alt.diamonds.marketplace,
alt.folklore.gemstones, free.uk.jewelry, and perhaps others I'm not awareof,
for which jewelry related postings are on topic. And of course, though it's not
jewelry specific, there's also both the big eight version and the alt version of
rec.crafts.metalworking, one of the busier and more useful newsgroups outthere
(well worth your time, folks, if you've not found it before. Someone even set
up a web site for it. Lots of home shop machinists, but also many more skill
sets to be found there...)

peter

On Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:34:09 GMT, "Peter W.. Rowe,"
wrote:

You are aware, I'm sure, that there are already a few somewhat related groups,
such as pdaxs.ads.jewelry

I know lots of people post there anyway, but pdaxs is a local Portland
Oregon group.
--
Marilee J. Layman
http://mjlayman.livejournal.com/