OFF TOPIC - the ladybug "lost" her mittens

On 2/7/07 9:11 AM, "Lucille" wrote:


"lucretia borgia" wrote in message
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ellice ,in rec.crafts.textiles.needleworkwrote:
and entertained us with
On 2/6/07 9:05 PM, "Cheryl Isaak" wrote:

On 2/6/07 8:48 PM, in article
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wrote:

Our high school neighbor boy walked down the middle of the street
yesterday afternoon in a long-sleeved t-shirt with a short-sleeved
t-shirt on top of that, and jeans. Wind chill was -22 and actual temp
was 0. How smart is that?

In our area of NE Indiana, when schools close due to weather-related
situations, it doesn't seem to hamper them getting to the closest mall.

Jayne


Hey - I saw teens (males) with shorts, a t shirt and NO COAT when I
picked
up DS....

C

This would be because they and their parents are idiots, and don't have
the
strength to actually point out the kids stupidity is not cool. But, a
little frostbite, etc and maybe they'll learn. Or not.

ellice

Do you have kids Ellice ? Were you a teen yourself ? This is a
battle that it pays not to bring on, there are other far more
important battles that must be won.


I want to add that I was one of the kids who rarely closed my coat, or wore
a hat or scarf in winter and never seemed to be cold. I can still remember
my mother yelling at the top of her lungs for me to button up or I was going
to catch pneumonia.

I totally understand not buttoning up - but the point to me is at least you
had a coat with you, etc.

I'm past 70 now and my first case of pneumonia was just a couple of years
ago after I moved to Florida so it seems to me that kids just don't react to
the cold the way adults do.

No, most of them in the past had stronger immune systems. However, nowadays
with the amount of school time, activities, etc - teens actually get less
sleep and their immune systems really aren't much better.

Not buttoning, zipping up, fine. But going out in snow, or sub-freezing
weather - with summer weight clothes on, and not even having outerwear with
you is just stupid. One thing to run out for the paper - another to be
standing at a bus stop for 15-30 min, running in and out of buildings, etc.
or walking a ways down the road. Heck - around here people don't even think
about having supplies in the car in case they're stuck - and there are those
2 hour traffic jams when people run out of gas, etc.

Of course I run out in shorts or a robe to get the paper, or throw the
frisbee with the dog in back - but I wouldn't run around all day, etc,
like that.

I guess I should add that since I live here, anything below 65 f feels like
frost to me now.

That's what happens. My folks would yell at us as our heat would be set
lower than their put on a coat weather. Lots of compromise.

It's just all part of the myriad experiences of life - whatever.

ellice

lewmew wrote:
I am always fighting this battle too and it seems, with both kids, to
have reared its head in middle school. The main reason (or so they
say)? They have to share these 12" wide lockers that aren't big
enough for one coat, much less two. I insist on a sweatshirt in the
backpack at the very least.

Linda

It reminds me of the story - I forget where I read it - about the
classroom assistant at a pre-school class who was helping one of the
youngsters (who was almost five years old) to put on his cowboy boots.
He asked for help and she could see why. Even with her pulling and him
pushing, the little boots still didn't want to go on. Finally, when the
second boot was on, she had worked up a sweat. She almost cried when the
little boy said, "Teacher, they're on the wrong feet."
She looked and sure enough, they were. It wasn't any easier pulling the
boots off than it was putting them on. She managed to keep her cool as
together they worked to get the boots back on - this time on the right
feet. He then announced, "These aren't my boots."
She bit her tongue rather than get right in his face and scream, "Why
didn't you say so?" like she wanted to. And, once again she struggled to
help him pull the ill-fitting boots off his little feet. No sooner had
they got the boots off when he said, "They're my brother's boots. My
mother made me wear 'em."
Now she didn't know if she should laugh or cry. But, she mustered up the
grace and courage she had left to wrestle the boots on his feet again.
Helping him into his coat, she asked, "Now, where are your mittens?"
He said, "I stuffed 'em in the toes of my boots."
Her trial starts next month.
--
Bruce Fletcher
Stronsay, Orkney
www.stronsay.co.uk/claremont
(Remove teeth to reply)
Don't meddle in the affairs of dragons because you are crunchy and taste
good with ketchup.

On 2/7/07 10:39 AM, "lucretia borgia" wrote:

ellice ,in rec.crafts.textiles.needleworkwrote:
and entertained us with

Of course I run out in shorts or a robe to get the paper, or throw the
frisbee with the dog in back - but I wouldn't run around all day, etc,
like that.

Suppose you slip and lie there for 24 hours ???

Well, given that I live on a cul-de-sac with several neighbors - I guess
someone would see me if I fell out front, and in the rear - I'm out with the
dog, and he'd keep me warm, and bark up a storm - plus I don't go out too
far - it's a small yard. And I do have someone that lives here - so
presumably he'd get home from work eventually and notice me missing. Or if
he were away - notice that I hadn't answered the phone for a while and would
send someone looking.

It happens - and I've done ambulance runs picking up some older person with
a broken hip that slipped and laid around for over a day.

But, that is part of the point - at least make the kid have a jacket in the
car, etc.

With kids - thing is their core body may be warm, but what happens as you
are in the cold the body pulls your circulation to the core to keep your
vital organs warm and functioning - hence your extremities are getting less
circulation, less O2, and will lose feeling so not notice that you're cold,
etc. And then what can happen - in pretty fast time - is the air you're
breathing is so cold that your cooling self can't warm it enough in the
upper airway - which then effects your entire circulation, etc. Catch-22.
Part of the reason that you're supposed to keep your neck, wrists, ankles,
warm - lots of blood vessels there.

ellice

As regards teens who might be caught outside, they all have cell
'phones these days ! I can't imagine a teen who would be caught dead
without a 'phone glued to an ear these days, at least the frost won't
nip their ears I suppose lol- Hide quoted text -

LOL! Certainly seems that way - but not mine - we told them that they
get them when they can pay for them!

ellice wrote:

OTOH - the jacket thing - he'll run out refusing to bring a jacket
- and then call her to come get him from a block away at his friends because
it's too cold. And she'll do it. Same as all these goofy kids - so why
not just once let the kid be cold then see what happens? Or if you're
worried say - not going til you....fill in the blank.


Yup...walk home once in the cold, and you won't "forget" your coat the
next time. It's called Natural Consequences. Someone should buy that mom
a book!

However, I have to laugh at DD, who complains the house is freezing, but
she's walking around in a spaghetti-strap tank top, no socks and shoes.
Hello! Put on a sweater! Slippers! I tell her when *she* pays the gas
and electric in her own house, she can set the thermostat to whatever
temperature she wants.

Sue


--
--
Susan Hartman/Dirty Linen
The Magazine of Folk and World Music
http://www.dirtylinen.com

"ellice" wrote in message
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On 2/7/07 9:11 AM, "Lucille" wrote:


"lucretia borgia" wrote in message
...
ellice ,in rec.crafts.textiles.needleworkwrote:
and entertained us with
On 2/6/07 9:05 PM, "Cheryl Isaak" wrote:

On 2/6/07 8:48 PM, in article
, "
wrote:

Our high school neighbor boy walked down the middle of the street
yesterday afternoon in a long-sleeved t-shirt with a short-sleeved
t-shirt on top of that, and jeans. Wind chill was -22 and actual
temp
was 0. How smart is that?

In our area of NE Indiana, when schools close due to weather-related
situations, it doesn't seem to hamper them getting to the closest
mall.

Jayne


Hey - I saw teens (males) with shorts, a t shirt and NO COAT when I
picked
up DS....

C

This would be because they and their parents are idiots, and don't have
the
strength to actually point out the kids stupidity is not cool. But, a
little frostbite, etc and maybe they'll learn. Or not.

ellice

Do you have kids Ellice ? Were you a teen yourself ? This is a
battle that it pays not to bring on, there are other far more
important battles that must be won.


I want to add that I was one of the kids who rarely closed my coat, or
wore
a hat or scarf in winter and never seemed to be cold. I can still
remember
my mother yelling at the top of her lungs for me to button up or I was
going
to catch pneumonia.

I totally understand not buttoning up - but the point to me is at least
you
had a coat with you, etc.


I'm sorry to disagree with you, but the only reason I always had a coat with
me was my mother would have beaten the living s**t out of me if I fought
with her about it and like others have said before me, even as a little kid
I knew it was wise to pick my battles.


I'm past 70 now and my first case of pneumonia was just a couple of years
ago after I moved to Florida so it seems to me that kids just don't react
to
the cold the way adults do.

No, most of them in the past had stronger immune systems. However,
nowadays
with the amount of school time, activities, etc - teens actually get less
sleep and their immune systems really aren't much better.


Again I wonder why you would say they have stronger immune systems? How did
you come to that conclusion? Are you under the impression that in the 40's
and 50's when I was young we sat on our behinds warming our hands over the
wood burning stove? We went to school from 8 to 3, we did stuff after
school, and we had a ton of homework. The only real difference I can see is
that we weren't ferried everywhere by our parents and had to make our way to
whatever activity was available.

More to my point, I was never much of a sleeper and I think that's a thing
that has to do with the individual and what their body needs.



Not buttoning, zipping up, fine. But going out in snow, or sub-freezing
weather - with summer weight clothes on, and not even having outerwear
with
you is just stupid. One thing to run out for the paper - another to be
standing at a bus stop for 15-30 min, running in and out of buildings,
etc.
or walking a ways down the road. Heck - around here people don't even
think
about having supplies in the car in case they're stuck - and there are
those
2 hour traffic jams when people run out of gas, etc.

Of course I run out in shorts or a robe to get the paper, or throw the
frisbee with the dog in back - but I wouldn't run around all day, etc,
like that.

I guess I should add that since I live here, anything below 65 f feels
like
frost to me now.

That's what happens. My folks would yell at us as our heat would be set
lower than their put on a coat weather. Lots of compromise.

It's just all part of the myriad experiences of life - whatever.

ellice

Lucille wrote:

I'm sorry to disagree with you, but the only reason I always had a coat with
me was my mother would have beaten the living s**t out of me if I fought
with her about it and like others have said before me, even as a little kid
I knew it was wise to pick my battles.




I agree with Lucille. My mother could make me take my coat, but she
could not make me button it.

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"Cheryl Isaak" wrote in message
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On 2/5/07 12:23 PM, in article , "Karen
C
- California" wrote:

Lucille wrote:


Wasn't that fun ??? Reading this kind of tale of woe is what reminds
me
why I live in FL and not up North where I had to deal with those
annoyances.

Lucille




Ditto!

We're pushing 70 this week already. I love winter in California.


Brrr - I went out to run errands and I AM still cold!

C

70 is just comfortable for me - over that and I`m not at all happy!

Pat

Pat P wrote:
70 is just comfortable for me - over that and I`m not at all happy!

Any snow around your area Pat? It seems that up here we may escape
unscathed.
--
Bruce Fletcher
Stronsay, Orkney
www.stronsay.co.uk/claremont
(Remove teeth to reply)
Don't meddle in the affairs of dragons because you are crunchy and taste
good with ketchup.

On 2/7/07 12:43 PM, "Lucille" wrote:


"ellice" wrote in message
...
On 2/7/07 9:11 AM, "Lucille" wrote:


"lucretia borgia" wrote in message
...
ellice ,in rec.crafts.textiles.needleworkwrote:
and entertained us with
On 2/6/07 9:05 PM, "Cheryl Isaak" wrote:

On 2/6/07 8:48 PM, in article
, "
wrote:

Our high school neighbor boy walked down the middle of the street
yesterday afternoon in a long-sleeved t-shirt with a short-sleeved
t-shirt on top of that, and jeans. Wind chill was -22 and actual
temp
was 0. How smart is that?

In our area of NE Indiana, when schools close due to weather-related
situations, it doesn't seem to hamper them getting to the closest
mall.

Jayne


Hey - I saw teens (males) with shorts, a t shirt and NO COAT when I
picked
up DS....

C

This would be because they and their parents are idiots, and don't have
the
strength to actually point out the kids stupidity is not cool. But, a
little frostbite, etc and maybe they'll learn. Or not.

ellice

Do you have kids Ellice ? Were you a teen yourself ? This is a
battle that it pays not to bring on, there are other far more
important battles that must be won.


I want to add that I was one of the kids who rarely closed my coat, or
wore
a hat or scarf in winter and never seemed to be cold. I can still
remember
my mother yelling at the top of her lungs for me to button up or I was
going
to catch pneumonia.

I totally understand not buttoning up - but the point to me is at least
you
had a coat with you, etc.


I'm sorry to disagree with you, but the only reason I always had a coat with
me was my mother would have beaten the living s**t out of me if I fought
with her about it and like others have said before me, even as a little kid
I knew it was wise to pick my battles.

You're not disagreeing with me. I agree - your mom forced you to take a
coat, and at least you did - even if it wasn't buttoned up.

I'm past 70 now and my first case of pneumonia was just a couple of years
ago after I moved to Florida so it seems to me that kids just don't react
to
the cold the way adults do.

No, most of them in the past had stronger immune systems. However,
nowadays
with the amount of school time, activities, etc - teens actually get less
sleep and their immune systems really aren't much better.


Again I wonder why you would say they have stronger immune systems? How did
you come to that conclusion? Are you under the impression that in the 40's
and 50's when I was young we sat on our behinds warming our hands over the
wood burning stove? We went to school from 8 to 3, we did stuff after
school, and we had a ton of homework. The only real difference I can see is
that we weren't ferried everywhere by our parents and had to make our way to
whatever activity was available.

I came to that conclusion because in the last couple of years there has been
research done about kids, especially teens, their health, timing of school
and activities, nutrition and sleep. So, a couple of studies showed that
the average available time for teenagers to sleep has decreased. And yes,
they are getting ferried about- but what that comes to is kids have less
time to just "be" as they end up very scheduled. Kids with stiff academic
programs and any extr-curricular activities often end up with something like
7 hours available for sleep at most. In practice - kids I know - especially
those in the AP programs or the Science & Tech high school regularly are up
til past midnight doing homework, and then up again at 6 . The study gave
an average of 7 hours. So, especially in youth, adolescence, sleep does
affect your immune system, etc.

The general, overall health of todays teens is not improving. The health,
and life expectancy in this country was increasing throughout the 20th
century - better nutrition, working conditions improving, immunizations,
etc. However with the most recent 20 years - nutrition has split - the
average has gone down (plenty of food but not healthy), more hours spent on
average working -yup the average workday has increased, for kids more time
spent in school, etc, and sleep gone down - plus exercise has gone down.
Hence the immune systems of adolescents - when you should be at your prime
are not as much stronger than children or the elderly as you would expect or
they used to be on the whole.

In particular I think the comparison was with my generation, vs yours, and
showing talking about trends in the last 25 years.

More to my point, I was never much of a sleeper and I think that's a thing
that has to do with the individual and what their body needs.

Absolutely. I don't sleep much either - never have compared to the average.
Not necessarily a good thing all through life but it is what it is.

*snipping the rest*

ellice