sweaters

Gosh, as a rank, rank amatuer knitter I hesitate to post, but maybe
someone hasn't heard of these tricks:

I used to knit the 2 fronts, the 2 sleeves, then do the back to finish
up the yarn.

Then someone passed on:

Knit the sleeves on 4 needles to the armhole binding off. Then on 2 to
form the cap.

Since I've been known to knit 2 left fronts --- grrrr -- I manipulate
the pattern to do the 2 fronts and back all at once. At the armhole, I
attach 2 more balls of yarn.

That way I am assured it's all the same size. Pattern mistakes -- ;-)
-- are equal, too.

Joan

On 16 Jan 2006 12:21:56 -0800, "jes" spewed forth
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Knit the sleeves on 4 needles to the armhole binding off.

Or use Elizabeth's fake cap sleeve, which is set into a steek. No
binding off as you graft in the live stitches, per my recollection.
Ought to make for a stretchier armhole.


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Lost me. What's a steek?

On 16 Jan 2006 12:37:00 -0800, "jes" spewed forth
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Lost me. What's a steek?

Its a place where you actually (don't faint) cut the knitting (don't
faint) to do something like install a sleeve, make a neck opening, or
even open the front for a cardigan. Its a pretty typical thing to do
for colorwork sweaters (ie, Fair Isles for example) because you just
keep sailing on in the round with your colorwork, no need to try to
purl back in pattern and say bad words.

http://www.sheeweknits.com/fair_isle_101%20f.htm

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I am rather fond on knitting everything without a seam, Thus my new
turkiz sweater [+ delicate one hole lace :::] will be knitted "the
Aran way" Knit collar than you knit 2 Side panel that come on the
shoulder . Than you cast on stiches on side of panel , knit the middle
stich on the collar and cast on stiches on 2nd panel ,,, knit this to
wanted legth of arm hole [ remembering that arm hole has already the
upper panel stiches as well as intended casting on of stiches on the
underside of armpit ,, knit the same on the other side [panel casr
on+collar + panel cast on ,,, , knit one of those panels, cast on
armpit stiches , knit second panel , cast on second armpit and knit as
long [ and in which wanted pattern you want] as you need/want finnish
as wanted ,,,, Back to arm holes , knit panel stiches , cast on
stiches on 1 side of armhole cast stiches on armpit stiches , and
cast on stiches on other side , knit downwards , and calculate when
you decrease stiches all over the length of the sleeve ,,, do the same
others side ,,,
mirjam

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:23:27 GMT, spewed forth :

That is certainly a very interesting approach to knitting an Aran. I printed
it out on archival paper and put in my knittng notebook.

I am very interested in the provenance of his method.

I thought that Pre 1900, Aran sweaters were knitted in the round from the
bottom up for their own consumption, and sometime before WW1 they started
knitting for market.

My understanding is that the knit for market Aran sweaters were knit as
front and back panels and stitched together. The sweater construction method
that you are laying out below, does not strike me as suitable for a knit for
market industry. Thus, the method below may well be a traditional sweater
making method which needs to be preserved for future generations.


It isn't all that uncommon - a basic top-down saddle-shoulder
construction, which I've seen in several books. I made my first Aran
as Mirjam describes, tho I unvented the method after decided I didn't
need to do all that making-up and setting in of sleeves and whatnot.

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That is certainly a very interesting approach to knitting an Aran. I printed
it out on archival paper and put in my knittng notebook.

I am very interested in the provenance of his method.

I thought that Pre 1900, Aran sweaters were knitted in the round from the
bottom up for their own consumption, and sometime before WW1 they started
knitting for market.

My understanding is that the knit for market Aran sweaters were knit as
front and back panels and stitched together. The sweater construction method
that you are laying out below, does not strike me as suitable for a knit for
market industry. Thus, the method below may well be a traditional sweater
making method which needs to be preserved for future generations.

Aaron


"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" wrote in message
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I am rather fond on knitting everything without a seam, Thus my new
turkiz sweater [+ delicate one hole lace :::] will be knitted "the
Aran way" Knit collar than you knit 2 Side panel that come on the
shoulder . Than you cast on stiches on side of panel , knit the middle
stich on the collar and cast on stiches on 2nd panel ,,, knit this to
wanted legth of arm hole [ remembering that arm hole has already the
upper panel stiches as well as intended casting on of stiches on the
underside of armpit ,, knit the same on the other side [panel casr
on+collar + panel cast on ,,, , knit one of those panels, cast on
armpit stiches , knit second panel , cast on second armpit and knit as
long [ and in which wanted pattern you want] as you need/want finnish
as wanted ,,,, Back to arm holes , knit panel stiches , cast on
stiches on 1 side of armhole cast stiches on armpit stiches , and
cast on stiches on other side , knit downwards , and calculate when
you decrease stiches all over the length of the sleeve ,,, do the same
others side ,,,
mirjam

In article ,
wrote:
That is certainly a very interesting approach to knitting an Aran. I printed
it out on archival paper and put in my knittng notebook.

I am very interested in the provenance of his method.

I thought that Pre 1900, Aran sweaters were knitted in the round from the
bottom up for their own consumption, and sometime before WW1 they started
knitting for market.

My understanding is that the knit for market Aran sweaters were knit as
front and back panels and stitched together. The sweater construction method
that you are laying out below, does not strike me as suitable for a knit for
market industry. Thus, the method below may well be a traditional sweater
making method which needs to be preserved for future generations.

Pre-1900 there were no "Aran" sweaters. There were ganseys, and apparently
in some European countries there were socks knitted with bobbles, and
certainly ganseys had cables, but the stereotypical "heavy white cabled Aran
sweater" was invented sometime in the early 20th century. Most of the
fabled 'history' of it was made up out of whole cloth by a man who owned
a yarn store and had a vested interest in pushing lovely romantic stories.
There is a photograph of a small boy in a white communion gansey from
the year before the film Man of Aran was made (in which there are no
Aran sweaters).

When the first patterns for Arans and Guernseys were published, after 1938,
the author had written the patterns to be knit in the round as they were,
but the publishers had the patterns changed to be flat-knitted. Later
editions changed them back.

=Tamar

Right! That is close to my understanding. However, I am not certain that we
are correct as Gadys Thompson offers another view, and she seems to have
done a fair amount of onsite research going back to before 1938. The Queen
Mother was quite a knitter, and she seemed to to think that Thompson was
getting it right in 1938.

In the photographs in Synge's 1907 book on the Aran Islands that helped
popularized the Aran Islands as a tourist destination I see knit vests, hats
and many shawls from dark wool. There is one photo of 4 men landing a
boat. One of the men may be wearing a light colored, patterned gansey, but I
do not think it is what we could call an Aran sweater today. Synge mentions
that "fisherman's jerseys" are common on Aranmor but that he only has seen
one on Inishmaan, but really does not describe them.

Aaron

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Pre-1900 there were no "Aran" sweaters. There were ganseys, and apparently
in some European countries there were socks knitted with bobbles, and
certainly ganseys had cables, but the stereotypical "heavy white cabled
Aran
sweater" was invented sometime in the early 20th century. Most of the
fabled 'history' of it was made up out of whole cloth by a man who owned
a yarn store and had a vested interest in pushing lovely romantic stories.
There is a photograph of a small boy in a white communion gansey from
the year before the film Man of Aran was made (in which there are no
Aran sweaters).

When the first patterns for Arans and Guernseys were published, after
1938,
the author had written the patterns to be knit in the round as they were,
but the publishers had the patterns changed to be flat-knitted. Later
editions changed them back.

=Tamar

AAron it isn`t my original idea , i saw it somewhere and made my first
one , later in USA [in 81-82], i bought a Mon Tricot knitting
dictionary and ReMet this pattern ,, i was very glad to do it again.
and ever since make one every several years.
I prefer it to the knitting up , fits better ,,
mirjam
ps this time i am using the outer idea , but i wilmake a delicate lace
, and no cables ,,, the panels i made purl side up with intention to
knit/embroider tiny flowers on them
mirjam

That is certainly a very interesting approach to knitting an Aran. I printed
it out on archival paper and put in my knittng notebook.

I am very interested in the provenance of his method.

I thought that Pre 1900, Aran sweaters were knitted in the round from the
bottom up for their own consumption, and sometime before WW1 they started
knitting for market.

My understanding is that the knit for market Aran sweaters were knit as
front and back panels and stitched together. The sweater construction method
that you are laying out below, does not strike me as suitable for a knit for
market industry. Thus, the method below may well be a traditional sweater
making method which needs to be preserved for future generations.

Aaron


"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" wrote in message
...
I am rather fond on knitting everything without a seam, Thus my new
turkiz sweater [+ delicate one hole lace :::] will be knitted "the
Aran way" Knit collar than you knit 2 Side panel that come on the
shoulder . Than you cast on stiches on side of panel , knit the middle
stich on the collar and cast on stiches on 2nd panel ,,, knit this to
wanted legth of arm hole [ remembering that arm hole has already the
upper panel stiches as well as intended casting on of stiches on the
underside of armpit ,, knit the same on the other side [panel casr
on+collar + panel cast on ,,, , knit one of those panels, cast on
armpit stiches , knit second panel , cast on second armpit and knit as
long [ and in which wanted pattern you want] as you need/want finnish
as wanted ,,,, Back to arm holes , knit panel stiches , cast on
stiches on 1 side of armhole cast stiches on armpit stiches , and
cast on stiches on other side , knit downwards , and calculate when
you decrease stiches all over the length of the sleeve ,,, do the same
others side ,,,
mirjam