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Weatherproofing copper foil...?
"michele" wrote in
: so will a cemented piece. i have made lots of garden items (in a past life) that have held up over time. even lead oxidzes, and worse the cement falls apart. If properly designed, foiled pieces are extremely tolerant to weather, use a good polish, maybe kem-o -pro and let nature take her course. you will get oxidation on either lead or foil in time .m Maybe, then, I'll try a very thing bead of silicone...I'm not so much worried about the look of th eoxidized lead, as about the possibility of structural failure. OTOH, peopl emake scuptures with glass adhesives, so maybe a thin like of that around the edges of the metal to help seal the copper/glass interface? since the solder isn't chemically attached to the glass, imho, you're depending upon the adhesive of the foil instead of really weather- or water-proofing the seam. eventually it will fail. |
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Weatherproofing copper foil...?
On Jun 5, 7:46*pm, Kris Krieger wrote:
Chemo the Clown wrote : On Jun 3, 2:55*pm, "charlie" wrote: "Chemo the Clown" wrote in messagenews:9a52d896-8546-435d ... On Jun 3, 12:03 pm, Kris Krieger wrote: Hi, I want to make sme fixtures for outdoors. I'm doing copper foil. Can the patina and whatnot be weatherproofed in any way? I thought about paste- waxing the lead lines, or lacquering the whoel assembly, but any info would be great. Thanks! - Kris You could wax it every now and then with something like Clarity Glass Wax but...it's my experience that overall, copperfoiled work doesn't fair all that well when left to the exposed weather. The solder seams tend to get rather ugly (oxidized) over time. -- since there's no seal between the glass and the foil, it's not possible to weatherproof foiled work. that's why god invented lead came with putty. Not quite true...I've made water crystal catchers that hold water and don't leak. Basically a diamond shaped box. Before putting the last diamond on, fill with water then solder the last foiled diamond in place and hang from one end. SOunds interesting - do you have any pics posted on-line? *I'd like to see that. - Kris- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't have any pics of the ones I've made but they are just like these: http://www.tglass.net/Bevels.htm scroll down about half way. |
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Weatherproofing copper foil...?
Chemo the Clown wrote in
: On Jun 5, 7:46*pm, Kris Krieger wrote: Chemo the Clown wrote innews:0da96b22-dee6-48e5-85a3-61ec : On Jun 3, 2:55*pm, "charlie" wrote: "Chemo the Clown" wrote in messagenews:9a52d896-8546-435d ... On Jun 3, 12:03 pm, Kris Krieger wrote: Hi, I want to make sme fixtures for outdoors. I'm doing copper foil. Can the patina and whatnot be weatherproofed in any way? I thought about paste- waxing the lead lines, or lacquering the whoel assembly, but any info would be great. Thanks! - Kris You could wax it every now and then with something like Clarity Glass Wax but...it's my experience that overall, copperfoiled work doesn't fair all that well when left to the exposed weather. The solder seams tend to get rather ugly (oxidized) over time. -- since there's no seal between the glass and the foil, it's not possible to weatherproof foiled work. that's why god invented lead came with putty. Not quite true...I've made water crystal catchers that hold water and don't leak. Basically a diamond shaped box. Before putting the last diamond on, fill with water then solder the last foiled diamond in place and hang from one end. SOunds interesting - do you have any pics posted on-line? *I'd like to s ee that. - Kris- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't have any pics of the ones I've made but they are just like these: http://www.tglass.net/Bevels.htm scroll down about half way. Interesting, I hadn't seen that before. I'm guessing that the water eitehr spreads out the "rainbows", and/or makes teh "rainbows" more intense...? |
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Weatherproofing copper foil...?
On Jun 6, 9:40*am, Kris Krieger wrote:
Chemo the Clown wrote : On Jun 5, 7:46*pm, Kris Krieger wrote: Chemo the Clown wrote innews:0da96b22-dee6-48e5-85a3-61ec : On Jun 3, 2:55*pm, "charlie" wrote: "Chemo the Clown" wrote in messagenews:9a52d896-8546-435d ... On Jun 3, 12:03 pm, Kris Krieger wrote: Hi, I want to make sme fixtures for outdoors. I'm doing copper foil. Can the patina and whatnot be weatherproofed in any way? I thought about paste- waxing the lead lines, or lacquering the whoel assembly, but any info would be great. Thanks! - Kris You could wax it every now and then with something like Clarity Glass Wax but...it's my experience that overall, copperfoiled work doesn't fair all that well when left to the exposed weather. The solder seams tend to get rather ugly (oxidized) over time. -- since there's no seal between the glass and the foil, it's not possible to weatherproof foiled work. that's why god invented lead came with putty. Not quite true...I've made water crystal catchers that hold water and don't leak. Basically a diamond shaped box. Before putting the last diamond on, fill with water then solder the last foiled diamond in place and hang from one end. SOunds interesting - do you have any pics posted on-line? *I'd like to s ee that. - Kris- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I don't have any pics of the ones I've made but they are just like these:http://www.tglass.net/Bevels.htmscroll down about half way. Interesting, I hadn't seen that before. *I'm guessing that the water eitehr spreads out the "rainbows", and/or makes teh "rainbows" more intense...?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah sorta...depends on how the sun hits them...sometimes they cast some nice rainbows across the room. |
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Weatherproofing copper foil...?
Chemo the Clown wrote in
: On Jun 6, 9:40*am, Kris Krieger wrote: Chemo the Clown wrote [edited for brevity] I don't have any pics of the ones I've made but they are just like these:http://www.tglass.net/Bevels.htmscroll down about half way. Interesting, I hadn't seen that before. *I'm guessing that the water eitehr spreads out the "rainbows", and/or makes teh "rainbows" more intense...?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah sorta...depends on how the sun hits them...sometimes they cast some nice rainbows across the room. I got another thought from your mention of the water-filled items, and decided to cut my glass with the texture *inside* - i'm starting off with clear glass (just because I got a proverbial bee in my bonnet about clear textured glass ) and will assemble it and see how it looks. If it look OK that way, my thinking (for better or worse L!) is that having the flat side out might add to its longevity (because, fro your bevel work, the flat side is also facing the "element" so to speak, i.e. the water). Since the weak spot is the adhesive that sticks to the glass, I'm also going to play with some silicone sealant on scraps to see whether it'd look OK to run a thin bead along the lead:glass interface (I'm pretty good at getting thin beads). The solar-cell has to be silicone-sealed anyway. If the clear glass looks nice, I'll make a few more before moving on to colored glass- especially since it'll take fewer LEDs to adequately light- up the clear. Who knows, I might even try to put some bevelled sections into the lights So, I got a couple ideas from your input, *and* learned about something new - thanks ! - Kris |
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