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Old August 10th 03, 08:12 PM
Suzan
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Hi Folks!

I've just made a wooden frame for a 16" x 20" leaded panel. It's made with
1" thick by 2" wide poplar, has an extra deep rabbet to accommodate the
panel and has a 1/4" strip to secure it in place. The corners are mitered
and the pieces were assembled with carpenter's glue and one heavy staple in
each corner.

A woodworker friend thinks it won't be strong enough to hold the panel. A
guy from the SG shop thinks it is strong enough.

Does anybody know from experience whether the method of assembly is strong
for a panel this size? Would it also be good for panels up to 20" x 24"?

Thanks for your help,
Suzan


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Old August 10th 03, 11:10 PM
C Ryman
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I'd say glue and one staple are not enough, glass is very heavy and gravity
is not your friend.

This reminds me of a recent accident at a glass show I participated in.
Someone had a stained glass panel in a wood frame. I believe they used eye
hooks in the top side of the frame which split the wood (anyway, the wood
frame split somehow). Unfortunately, underneath the hanging panel was a
glass sculpture and an art glass table.
All 3 were damaged and the show sponsor representative was looking them over
during the opening reception. I don't know if all three artists were
reimbursed, but I bet they were pretty unhappy about the damage.

Once, I had to call an artist at the beginning of a show set up and say "you
used the wrong type of glue, you piece is falling apart, get over here".

So it just makes sense to make your art as secure and tough as possible.

Good Luck,
--
Connie Ryman
Cryman Studio
www.eclecticbeadery.com
"Moonraker" wrote in message
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I think you'll probably find the panel could use some extra strength.

I'd
suggest that you pre-drill and then add a single screw into each corner,
with the threads of the screw oriented in a vertical position when the

panel
is hanging. You'll be drilling through the thickness of the poplar,
parallel with the width and into the end grain of the matching piece of

that
corner. I don't think a staple is adequate mechanical fastening, and who
knows how long the glue will hold if it is subjected to

heat/cold/moisture,
etc.
"Suzan" wrote in message
ble.rogers.com...
Hi Folks!

I've just made a wooden frame for a 16" x 20" leaded panel. It's made

with
1" thick by 2" wide poplar, has an extra deep rabbet to accommodate the
panel and has a 1/4" strip to secure it in place. The corners are

mitered
and the pieces were assembled with carpenter's glue and one heavy staple

in
each corner.

A woodworker friend thinks it won't be strong enough to hold the panel.

A
guy from the SG shop thinks it is strong enough.

Does anybody know from experience whether the method of assembly is

strong
for a panel this size? Would it also be good for panels up to 20" x 24"?

Thanks for your help,
Suzan







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Old August 10th 03, 11:52 PM
Wolfebas
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If the panel were glued into the frame with silicone the frame would be strong
enough. the panel would hold the frame together. If the panel is not glued to
the frame the frame may not be strong enough. Carpenter's glue is very strong
when the pieces to be glued have grains that are within 45 degrees of being
parallel. Carpenter's glue won't last when end grained glued as in a mitered
corner. What you've got is a frame that may eventually be held together only
by the staples. If you had used a frame vise and brads or finish nails on the
corners they might have been strong enough. You could do that now and I think
it would be strong enough. I am a carpenter.

John Bassett
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Old August 11th 03, 02:34 AM
C Ryman
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Hi John,
Since your a carpenter maybe you can answer this question for me. What is
the name of the wavy pieces of metal that are hammered into to the mitered
edges? I guess they are used instead of staples. Are they any good or do
they weaken the wood and cause splitting later?
Thanks
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Connie Ryman
Cryman Studio
www.eclecticbeadery.com
"Wolfebas" wrote in message
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If the panel were glued into the frame with silicone the frame would be

strong
enough. the panel would hold the frame together. If the panel is not

glued to
the frame the frame may not be strong enough. Carpenter's glue is very

strong
when the pieces to be glued have grains that are within 45 degrees of

being
parallel. Carpenter's glue won't last when end grained glued as in a

mitered
corner. What you've got is a frame that may eventually be held together

only
by the staples. If you had used a frame vise and brads or finish nails on

the
corners they might have been strong enough. You could do that now and I

think
it would be strong enough. I am a carpenter.

John Bassett



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Old August 11th 03, 08:27 PM
C Ryman
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I was just looking at an 12x17 oak frame I have for SG but have not used
yet. It does not have any hanging apparatus. Any advice on what to use and
the best placement for it.
TIA
--
Connie Ryman
Cryman Studio
www.eclecticbeadery.com


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Old August 11th 03, 09:00 PM
Moonraker
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"C Ryman" wrote in message
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I was just looking at an 12x17 oak frame I have for SG but have not used
yet. It does not have any hanging apparatus. Any advice on what to use

and
the best placement for it.
TIA
--
Connie Ryman
Cryman Studio
www.eclecticbeadery.com


I've used these before...they seem to work OK.

http://www.delphiglass.com/index.cfm...cat=1559&viewc
at=1559



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Old August 11th 03, 09:17 PM
Javahut
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I was just looking at an 12x17 oak frame I have for SG but have not used
yet. It does not have any hanging apparatus. Any advice on what to use

and
the best placement for it.
TIA
--
Connie Ryman
Cryman Studio
www.eclecticbeadery.com


I've used these before...they seem to work OK.


http://www.delphiglass.com/index.cfm...cat=1559&viewc
at=1559

There seems to be a problem with the link, care to give a description? Is
1559 an item #?



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Old August 11th 03, 10:19 PM
Moonraker
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I don't know why the link didn't work....the item # is 8841. Enter this
number in the search window at Delphi's site.

"Javahut" wrote in message
...


I was just looking at an 12x17 oak frame I have for SG but have not

used
yet. It does not have any hanging apparatus. Any advice on what to

use
and
the best placement for it.
TIA
--
Connie Ryman
Cryman Studio
www.eclecticbeadery.com


I've used these before...they seem to work OK.



http://www.delphiglass.com/index.cfm...cat=1559&viewc
at=1559

There seems to be a problem with the link, care to give a description?

Is
1559 an item #?






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Old August 11th 03, 10:55 PM
Charlie Spitzer
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"Andy T." wrote in message
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the best way I have found over the years is to cut a 3/4" x 3/8" dado
in the wood and save the strip that comes from that. then cut and
miter the piece of wood to the sizes you need. Use a 90 degree wood
clam and clamp one of the corners and predrill a hole. Glue and screw
the corner. Do the same for the remaining 3 corners. Trim the wood
that came out of the dados to slightly less than 1/4" thick. Cut to
length and miter those to fit into the back of the frame. Set your
pane into the frame and then either hot glue the pieces of wood in or
use a pin nailer. BTW...if you slightly off set the one piece of wood
that the screw goes into, when you tighten the screw, the wood will
"pull" together to make a very nice fit. Of course, you'll want to
sand and finish the frame before installing your glass. Another really
nice joint is a "feather" joint. Do a search into some of the
woodworking sites and you'll find it.

Good luck!

Andy
http://www.neoglassic.com


put a spline in each corner and glue it in.


"Suzan" wrote in message

able.rogers.com...
Hi Folks!

I've just made a wooden frame for a 16" x 20" leaded panel. It's made

with
1" thick by 2" wide poplar, has an extra deep rabbet to accommodate the
panel and has a 1/4" strip to secure it in place. The corners are

mitered
and the pieces were assembled with carpenter's glue and one heavy staple

in
each corner.

A woodworker friend thinks it won't be strong enough to hold the panel.

A
guy from the SG shop thinks it is strong enough.

Does anybody know from experience whether the method of assembly is

strong
for a panel this size? Would it also be good for panels up to 20" x 24"?

Thanks for your help,
Suzan



 




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