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Old September 15th 04, 05:16 PM
Igor Sklar
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There is another Polish/Russian word which has veery distant Chinese roots:

Pol. farfura ('porcelain'), Russ. farfor
- Turk. farfur - Pers/Arab fagfur
('a Chinese province, a title of Chinese emperor')
- Old Pers. bagapura, translated from
Chin. tien-tse ('son of Heaven') [Vasmer, IV, 186-187]

What Chinese province was known to Persians as Fagfur?
Was it famous for its porcelain?

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Old September 15th 04, 05:49 PM
Wiktor S.
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There is another Polish/Russian word which has veery distant Chinese
roots:

Pol. farfura ('porcelain')


that's veery rare word in Polish. I didn't know it, and Google lists only
few real examples, more in plural "farfury".

Russ. farfor


here фарфор gives more hits.

- Turk. farfur - Pers/Arab fagfur
('a Chinese province, a title of Chinese emperor')
- Old Pers. bagapura, translated from
Chin. tien-tse ('son of Heaven') [Vasmer, IV, 186-187]


But does translation count as a loanword?


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Old September 15th 04, 06:51 PM
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Igor Sklar wrote:
There is another Polish/Russian word which has veery distant Chinese roots:

Pol. farfura ('porcelain'), Russ. farfor
- Turk. farfur - Pers/Arab fagfur
('a Chinese province, a title of Chinese emperor')
- Old Pers. bagapura, translated from
Chin. tien-tse ('son of Heaven') [Vasmer, IV, 186-187]

What Chinese province was known to Persians as Fagfur?
Was it famous for its porcelain?


"Son of Heaven" just means the Emperor. There has been no
province by that name.

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Old September 15th 04, 07:20 PM
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Igor Sklar wrote:

There is another Polish/Russian word which has veery distant Chinese roots:

Pol. farfura ('porcelain'), Russ. farfor



Never heard about it (or maybe heard/read somewhere,
long ago, in some book/play/movie). May be obsolete.
Teh Polish word for "porcelain" is "porcelana".

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farfura fajans.
farfury naczynia fajansowe.


Etym. - osm.tur. farfur z pers.

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- Turk. farfur - Pers/Arab fagfur
('a Chinese province, a title of Chinese emperor')
- Old Pers. bagapura, translated from
Chin. tien-tse ('son of Heaven') [Vasmer, IV, 186-187]

What Chinese province was known to Persians as Fagfur?
Was it famous for its porcelain?

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Old September 15th 04, 09:32 PM
Wiktor S.
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A translation isn't a loan word. So it's a loan word from Turkish, but
not from Chinese.


but farfura indeed has some "veery distant Chinese roots"

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Old September 16th 04, 07:27 AM
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"Wiktor S." wrote in message ...
There is another Polish/Russian word which has veery distant Chinese
roots:

Pol. farfura ('porcelain')


that's veery rare word in Polish. I didn't know it, and Google lists only
few real examples, more in plural "farfury".

Russ. farfor


here фарфор gives more hits.


That is, 364285 hits using www.ya.ru search engine. As I understand,
farfor is the only "legitimate" word for porcelain in Russian.

Arpad
 




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