manual wheels?

What is your opinion on using foot-powered wheels? I learned on one and
have been using an electric wheel since moving to my new studio. I kind of
miss the manual one, there was a real tempo you could get into. What do you
think?

"Hana Rednib" wrote in message
...
What is your opinion on using foot-powered wheels? I learned on one and
have been using an electric wheel since moving to my new studio. I kind
of
miss the manual one, there was a real tempo you could get into. What do
you
think?



I think kick wheels are hard work!! I like my electric. )

I like the quiet rhythm of a treadle wheel and always have. I feel like
an appendage to an electric one. My treadle is part of me.

Steve
Bath
UK


In article , Hana Rednib
writes
What is your opinion on using foot-powered wheels? I learned on one and
have been using an electric wheel since moving to my new studio. I kind of
miss the manual one, there was a real tempo you could get into. What do you
think?



--
Steve Mills
Bath
UK

they are useful as a second wheel. they force you to make every touch count.
with an electric you can get lazy & sloppy. you can't do that kickers.

steve



Subject: manual wheels?
From: "Hana Rednib"
Date: 8/30/2004 8:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

What is your opinion on using foot-powered wheels? I learned on one and
have been using an electric wheel since moving to my new studio. I kind of
miss the manual one, there was a real tempo you could get into. What do you
think?










steve graber

For the hobbyist, kick wheels are great. For a professional, it's kind of like
hand saws versus power saws for carpenters--they both do the work, but one does
the work 10 times quicker... I learned on a kick wheel, was forced to an
electric when apprenticing and they didn't have room for another kick wheel, and
after a while found I was throwing pots faster (no, not better) than my master
potters.

Brad Sondahl

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I like my kick wheel, it's always going at the right speed, while my power
wheel (tho' wonderful for big ware) seems to always be just @ the wrong
speed so that i'm either hurrying to catch it up or waiting for it.... Like
Steve says i feel like an appendage with the power wheel...
Hugs Guys,
It's good to be back...
"Brad Sondahl" wrote in message
...
For the hobbyist, kick wheels are great. For a professional, it's kind of
like
hand saws versus power saws for carpenters--they both do the work, but one
does
the work 10 times quicker... I learned on a kick wheel, was forced to an
electric when apprenticing and they didn't have room for another kick
wheel, and
after a while found I was throwing pots faster (no, not better) than my
master
potters.

Brad Sondahl

--
For original art, music, pottery, and literature, visit my homepage
http://sondahl.com

To reply to me directly, don't forget to take out the "garbage" from my
address.





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Brad Sondahl wrote:
For the hobbyist, kick wheels are great. For a professional, it's kind of like
hand saws versus power saws for carpenters--they both do the work, but one does
the work 10 times quicker...

Hi Brad,

Actually, here in Japan, the best carpenters and cabinet makers still
use hand tools and their work is much finer than we find typically in
the USA.

Power tool does not necessarily mean faster. Nor does it mean
better. While I fire with a wood kiln, my korean keiyaki kick wheel
is actually more important to me than my wood kiln. Many potters who
studying with my teacher, Tatsuzo Shimaoka, use Korean Kickwheels. As
so do Randy Johnston and Willem Gebben.

As someone who came to pottery from Zen Buddhism, I can tell you
that the low momentum kickwheel is much more meditative. It can be
similar to zen meditation, if you pay attention to your breath.

Also, I find that I can throw all day on the korean kickwheel with
no leg or back pain. I cannot say the same for my throwing on my
shimpo gold electric, back in St. Paul, MN. I think the leg movement
helps both the legs and the back. The traditional throwing platform,
soft clay and throwing off the hump is also conducive to good posture.

If you check out this link you can see a wheel something like
mine: http://www006.upp.so-net.ne.jp/tatenogama/kerokuro.html


--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan http://mashiko.org
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Brad Sondahl wrote:
For the hobbyist, kick wheels are great. For a professional, it's kind of like
hand saws versus power saws for carpenters--they both do the work, but one does
the work 10 times quicker...

Hi Brad,

Actually, here in Japan, the best carpenters and cabinet makers still
use hand tools and their work is much finer than we find typically in
the USA.

Power tool does not necessarily mean faster. Nor does it mean
better. While I fire with a wood kiln, my korean keiyaki kick wheel
is actually more important to me than my wood kiln. Many potters who
studying with my teacher, Tatsuzo Shimaoka, use Korean Kickwheels. As
so do Randy Johnston and Willem Gebben.

As someone who came to pottery from Zen Buddhism, I can tell you
that the low momentum kickwheel is much more meditative. It can be
similar to zen meditation, if you pay attention to your breath.

Also, I find that I can throw all day on the korean kickwheel with
no leg or back pain. I cannot say the same for my throwing on my
shimpo gold electric, back in St. Paul, MN. I think the leg movement
helps both the legs and the back. The traditional throwing platform,
soft clay and throwing off the hump is also conducive to good posture.

If you check out this link you can see a wheel something like
mine: http://www006.upp.so-net.ne.jp/tatenogama/kerokuro.html


--
Lee in Mashiko, Japan http://mashiko.org
http://www.livejournal.com/users/togeika/ WEB LOG
http://public.fotki.com/togeika/ Photos!

Lee Love writes:
As someone who came to pottery from Zen Buddhism, I can tell
you that the low momentum kickwheel is much more meditative.
It can be similar to zen meditation, if you pay attention to
your breath.

Indeed, I like to do a lot of my trimming on the kickwheel, it's
generally relaxing. That, and kickwheels don't do anything unexpected
that electric can (like accelerate rapidly)

Myself, I only throw on it as a last resort, since my bad right knee
doesn't like the motion, and it's rather late for me to learn to spin
the wheel clockwise...


--
Richard W Kaszeta

http://www.kaszeta.org/rich

I worked on a kick wheel (Lockerbee) for the first 10 years that I made
pottery professionally. Most of what I throw is small forms that are
under 8 lbs of clay. I threw 30 lbs off the hump regularly with this
kick wheel. An accident in 1980 to my knee and ankle left me with enough
weakness that I electrified the kick wheel. I have used Brent and Shimpo
wheels when demonstrating. I find the combination kick and electric the
best solution for my needs. I think that learning on a kick wheel gives
the potter a more subtle hand.. though I tend to throw rather chunky
any how...
Russ Andavall
www.firegodarts.com

Lee Love wrote:

Brad Sondahl wrote:

For the hobbyist, kick wheels are great. For a professional, it's
kind of like
hand saws versus power saws for carpenters--they both do the work,
but one does
the work 10 times quicker...


Hi Brad,

Actually, here in Japan, the best carpenters and cabinet makers
still use hand tools and their work is much finer than we find
typically in the USA.

Power tool does not necessarily mean faster. Nor does it
mean better. While I fire with a wood kiln, my korean keiyaki kick
wheel is actually more important to me than my wood kiln. Many
potters who studying with my teacher, Tatsuzo Shimaoka, use Korean
Kickwheels. As so do Randy Johnston and Willem Gebben.

As someone who came to pottery from Zen Buddhism, I can tell you
that the low momentum kickwheel is much more meditative. It can be
similar to zen meditation, if you pay attention to your breath.

Also, I find that I can throw all day on the korean kickwheel
with no leg or back pain. I cannot say the same for my throwing on
my shimpo gold electric, back in St. Paul, MN. I think the leg
movement helps both the legs and the back. The traditional throwing
platform, soft clay and throwing off the hump is also conducive to
good posture.

If you check out this link you can see a wheel something like
mine: http://www006.upp.so-net.ne.jp/tatenogama/kerokuro.html