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Old September 6th 07, 10:57 AM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.yarn
B Vaughan
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Default Irish crochet (hooks, especially)

I've just started trying to do Irish crochet, after thinking about it
for several years. (Until recently, I was too busy to do any
crocheting.)

I'm using a size 16 thread and a 0.75 mm hook. These are both larger
than is usually used for Irish crochet, but they feel very tiny and
all ten of my fingers feel like thumbs. Once I get used to working
with this size, I'll try to use an even finer thread. In Irish
crochet, threads as fine as size 50 are normally used.

For those of you who don't know Irish crochet, it is intended to look
like lace, but is rather free form. You make various motifs with very
fine thread, often working over one or more lengths of thicker thread
to give a three-dimensional aspect to the motifs. The motifs tend to
be flowers, vines, leaves (including shamrocks, of course), and
scrolls. When you have enough of these motifs to form a desing, you
then make a long chain to serve as the outline of the final piece, and
baste this chain to a piece of paper or firm fabric in the shape you
want. Then you baste all of the motifs inside the frame you've just
made, and fill in the gaps with one of several special stitches that
are usually composed of chain stitch and picots or knots. When it's
finished, you cut the basting threads to free the piece from the paper
backing.

I've decided to make some bookmarks to learn some of the stitches and
techniques. It seems to me that the hook I'm using isn't really ideal
for this kind of work. The thread tends to slip off it while I'm
trying to pull it through. Does anyone have a recommendation for a
good brand of steel hook for very fine work?

I'm also having a little trouble working over the padding cord, but I
think that's getting easier.

--
Barbara Vaughan

My email address is my first initial followed by my last name at libero dot it.
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Old September 6th 07, 10:35 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.yarn
Jan[_2_]
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Default Irish crochet (hooks, especially)

Barbara, my fine steel hooks are mostly Boyes but they are quite old and I
haven't used them for several years so I hesitate to recommend them. The
range of sizes is from 0 to 11 and not marked with mm sizes but the smallest
(size 11) appears to be about 1 mm in diameter. I have used crochet threads
in sizes 10, 20 and 30 and possibly others. Assuming your size 16 is
between the 10 and 20 I've used, then it seems to me that a .75 mm hook
would be too small for the size 16. I've never done any Irish crochet but
it sounds fascinating.

--
Jan in MN

"B Vaughan" wrote in message
...
I've just started trying to do Irish crochet, after thinking about it
for several years. (Until recently, I was too busy to do any
crocheting.)

I'm using a size 16 thread and a 0.75 mm hook. These are both larger
than is usually used for Irish crochet, but they feel very tiny and
all ten of my fingers feel like thumbs. Once I get used to working
with this size, I'll try to use an even finer thread. In Irish
crochet, threads as fine as size 50 are normally used.

For those of you who don't know Irish crochet, it is intended to look
like lace, but is rather free form. You make various motifs with very
fine thread, often working over one or more lengths of thicker thread
to give a three-dimensional aspect to the motifs. The motifs tend to
be flowers, vines, leaves (including shamrocks, of course), and
scrolls. When you have enough of these motifs to form a desing, you
then make a long chain to serve as the outline of the final piece, and
baste this chain to a piece of paper or firm fabric in the shape you
want. Then you baste all of the motifs inside the frame you've just
made, and fill in the gaps with one of several special stitches that
are usually composed of chain stitch and picots or knots. When it's
finished, you cut the basting threads to free the piece from the paper
backing.

I've decided to make some bookmarks to learn some of the stitches and
techniques. It seems to me that the hook I'm using isn't really ideal
for this kind of work. The thread tends to slip off it while I'm
trying to pull it through. Does anyone have a recommendation for a
good brand of steel hook for very fine work?

I'm also having a little trouble working over the padding cord, but I
think that's getting easier.

--
Barbara Vaughan

My email address is my first initial followed by my last name at libero
dot it.



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Old September 7th 07, 05:14 AM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.yarn
edna
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Default Irish crochet (hooks, especially)

Barbara I belong to a Group called Irish Crochet Lovers, a very quiet group
at present however I am sure someone there will be able to help you.
Also in the files is a pattern for a Flower Basket Motif and more.

Edna in Sydney

http://groups.yahoo.com:80/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/


"B Vaughan" wrote in message
...
I've just started trying to do Irish crochet, after thinking about it
for several years. (Until recently, I was too busy to do any
crocheting.)

I'm using a size 16 thread and a 0.75 mm hook. These are both larger
than is usually used for Irish crochet, but they feel very tiny and
all ten of my fingers feel like thumbs. Once I get used to working
with this size, I'll try to use an even finer thread. In Irish
crochet, threads as fine as size 50 are normally used.

For those of you who don't know Irish crochet, it is intended to look
like lace, but is rather free form. You make various motifs with very
fine thread, often working over one or more lengths of thicker thread
to give a three-dimensional aspect to the motifs. The motifs tend to
be flowers, vines, leaves (including shamrocks, of course), and
scrolls. When you have enough of these motifs to form a desing, you
then make a long chain to serve as the outline of the final piece, and
baste this chain to a piece of paper or firm fabric in the shape you
want. Then you baste all of the motifs inside the frame you've just
made, and fill in the gaps with one of several special stitches that
are usually composed of chain stitch and picots or knots. When it's
finished, you cut the basting threads to free the piece from the paper
backing.

I've decided to make some bookmarks to learn some of the stitches and
techniques. It seems to me that the hook I'm using isn't really ideal
for this kind of work. The thread tends to slip off it while I'm
trying to pull it through. Does anyone have a recommendation for a
good brand of steel hook for very fine work?

I'm also having a little trouble working over the padding cord, but I
think that's getting easier.

--
Barbara Vaughan

My email address is my first initial followed by my last name at libero
dot it.





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Old September 7th 07, 04:50 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.yarn
B Vaughan
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Default Irish crochet (hooks, especially)

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:35:57 GMT, "Jan" wrote:

Barbara, my fine steel hooks are mostly Boyes but they are quite old and I
haven't used them for several years so I hesitate to recommend them. The
range of sizes is from 0 to 11 and not marked with mm sizes but the smallest
(size 11) appears to be about 1 mm in diameter. I have used crochet threads
in sizes 10, 20 and 30 and possibly others. Assuming your size 16 is
between the 10 and 20 I've used, then it seems to me that a .75 mm hook
would be too small for the size 16. I've never done any Irish crochet but
it sounds fascinating.


The size 16 thread recommended size 1 mm but I tried both and liked
the result with 0.75 better. Irish crochet is supposed to be worked
rather tight. However, I do think that part of my problem is that the
hook part of the hook (if you know what I mean) is too small. I used
to have a wonderful old steel hook that was very fine but had a
decent- sized hook. Unfortunately I lost it on a trip.

I'm not familiar with the US hook sizes, but I think I need something
smaller than your size 11. I've seen smaller sizes on the internet,
but I don't want to spring for a set unless I've had some
recommendation on a good brand. I take it you like the Boyes brand.

--
Barbara Vaughan

My email address is my first initial followed by my last name at libero dot it.
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Old September 7th 07, 04:50 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.yarn
B Vaughan
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Default Irish crochet (hooks, especially)

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:14:15 +1000, "Edna"
wrote:

Barbara I belong to a Group called Irish Crochet Lovers, a very quiet group
at present however I am sure someone there will be able to help you.
Also in the files is a pattern for a Flower Basket Motif and more.


Thank you, Edna, I've subscribed.



Edna in Sydney

http://groups.yahoo.com:80/group/Irish_Crochet_Lovers/


"B Vaughan" wrote in message
...
I've just started trying to do Irish crochet, after thinking about it
for several years. (Until recently, I was too busy to do any
crocheting.)

I'm using a size 16 thread and a 0.75 mm hook. These are both larger
than is usually used for Irish crochet, but they feel very tiny and
all ten of my fingers feel like thumbs. Once I get used to working
with this size, I'll try to use an even finer thread. In Irish
crochet, threads as fine as size 50 are normally used.

For those of you who don't know Irish crochet, it is intended to look
like lace, but is rather free form. You make various motifs with very
fine thread, often working over one or more lengths of thicker thread
to give a three-dimensional aspect to the motifs. The motifs tend to
be flowers, vines, leaves (including shamrocks, of course), and
scrolls. When you have enough of these motifs to form a desing, you
then make a long chain to serve as the outline of the final piece, and
baste this chain to a piece of paper or firm fabric in the shape you
want. Then you baste all of the motifs inside the frame you've just
made, and fill in the gaps with one of several special stitches that
are usually composed of chain stitch and picots or knots. When it's
finished, you cut the basting threads to free the piece from the paper
backing.

I've decided to make some bookmarks to learn some of the stitches and
techniques. It seems to me that the hook I'm using isn't really ideal
for this kind of work. The thread tends to slip off it while I'm
trying to pull it through. Does anyone have a recommendation for a
good brand of steel hook for very fine work?

I'm also having a little trouble working over the padding cord, but I
think that's getting easier.

--
Barbara Vaughan

My email address is my first initial followed by my last name at libero
dot it.





--
Barbara Vaughan

My email address is my first initial followed by my last name at libero dot it.
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Old September 7th 07, 10:28 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.yarn
Cece
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Default Irish crochet (hooks, especially)

On Sep 7, 10:50 am, B wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:35:57 GMT, "Jan" wrote:
Barbara, my fine steel hooks are mostly Boyes but they are quite old and I
haven't used them for several years so I hesitate to recommend them. The
range of sizes is from 0 to 11 and not marked with mm sizes but the smallest
(size 11) appears to be about 1 mm in diameter. I have used crochet threads
in sizes 10, 20 and 30 and possibly others. Assuming your size 16 is
between the 10 and 20 I've used, then it seems to me that a .75 mm hook
would be too small for the size 16. I've never done any Irish crochet but
it sounds fascinating.


The size 16 thread recommended size 1 mm but I tried both and liked
the result with 0.75 better. Irish crochet is supposed to be worked
rather tight. However, I do think that part of my problem is that the
hook part of the hook (if you know what I mean) is too small. I used
to have a wonderful old steel hook that was very fine but had a
decent- sized hook. Unfortunately I lost it on a trip.

I'm not familiar with the US hook sizes, but I think I need something
smaller than your size 11. I've seen smaller sizes on the internet,
but I don't want to spring for a set unless I've had some
recommendation on a good brand. I take it you like the Boye brand.

--
Barbara Vaughan

My email address is my first initial followed by my last name at libero dot it.


The smallest U.S. steel crochet hook is size 14. 0.75 mm, according
to the Boye website http://www.wrights.com/wrights/produ...ochethooks.htm
I used that size when crocheting with sewing thread. Sewing thread is
all size 50 now, whatever that means. Well, cotton-wrapped polyester
thread sizing is the same as the old cotton thread sizing; 50 is the
medium size. But what it's based on, I don't know! Prowling round
the internet: it's the old A&E Ticket 50, equivalent to Tex T-40 and
Metric 75 (cotton Count 28/2 -- assuming 840-yard hanks). But that
was sewing thread, not crochet cord!

Boye has been in business for something like a century, I think; it's
now owned by Wright, which has been going about as long. Personal
knowledge of the companies does not go back that far, of course -- but
I've been using Boye knitting and crochet tools for 35 years, and
Wright was the brand-name on the cards of snap fasteners in my
mother's sewing supplies before that.

Cece

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Old September 8th 07, 03:38 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.yarn
'Nez
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Default Irish crochet (hooks, especially)

On Sep 7, 5:28?pm, Cece wrote:
On Sep 7, 10:50 am, B wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:35:57 GMT, "Jan" wrote:
Barbara, my fine steel hooks are mostly Boyes but they are quite old and I
haven't used them for several years so I hesitate to recommend them. but I don't want to spring for a set unless I've had some

recommendation on a good brand. I take it you like the Boye brand.


--
Barbara Vaughan


My email address is my first initial followed by my last name at libero dot it.


The smallest U.S. steel crochet hook is size 14. 0.75 mm, according
to the Boye
Boye has been in business for something like a century, I think; it's
now owned by Wright, which has been going about as long. Personal
knowledge of the companies does not go back that far, of course -- but
I've been using Boye knitting and crochet tools for 35 years, and
Wright was the brand-name on the cards of snap fasteners in my
mother's sewing supplies before that.

I've always done my Irish crochet with tatting thread (size 70) and a
Boye 14 crochet hooks. Takes longer because it is so small, but
sooooooooooo pretty. Frances

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Old September 8th 07, 04:28 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.yarn
Jan[_2_]
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Default Irish crochet (hooks, especially)


"B Vaughan" wrote in message I'm not familiar with the US
hook sizes, but I think I need something
smaller than your size 11. I've seen smaller sizes on the internet,
but I don't want to spring for a set unless I've had some
recommendation on a good brand. I take it you like the Boyes brand.

--
Barbara Vaughan

My email address is my first initial followed by my last name at libero
dot it.

The most likely reason I have the Boye hooks is they were the only ones I
saw when I bought them. They've never been a problem for me that I can
recall.

--
Jan in MN


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Old September 9th 07, 10:53 AM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.yarn
Mary Fisher
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Default Irish crochet (hooks, especially)


"Cece" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Sep 7, 10:50 am, B wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:35:57 GMT, "Jan" wrote:
Barbara, my fine steel hooks are mostly Boyes but they are quite old and
I
haven't used them for several years so I hesitate to recommend them.
The
range of sizes is from 0 to 11 and not marked with mm sizes but the
smallest
(size 11) appears to be about 1 mm in diameter. I have used crochet
threads
in sizes 10, 20 and 30 and possibly others. Assuming your size 16 is
between the 10 and 20 I've used, then it seems to me that a .75 mm hook
would be too small for the size 16. I've never done any Irish crochet
but
it sounds fascinating.


The size 16 thread recommended size 1 mm but I tried both and liked
the result with 0.75 better. Irish crochet is supposed to be worked
rather tight. However, I do think that part of my problem is that the
hook part of the hook (if you know what I mean) is too small. I used
to have a wonderful old steel hook that was very fine but had a
decent- sized hook. Unfortunately I lost it on a trip.

I'm not familiar with the US hook sizes, but I think I need something
smaller than your size 11. I've seen smaller sizes on the internet,
but I don't want to spring for a set unless I've had some
recommendation on a good brand. I take it you like the Boye brand.

--
Barbara Vaughan

My email address is my first initial followed by my last name at libero
dot it.


The smallest U.S. steel crochet hook is size 14. 0.75 mm, according
to the Boye website
http://www.wrights.com/wrights/produ...ochethooks.htm
I used that size when crocheting with sewing thread. Sewing thread is
all size 50 now, whatever that means.


Surely not? In Britain we can get very many different sizes of thread.

http://www.amefird.com/worldwide_thr...comparison.htm

might help.

Mary


 




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