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Seamless garments
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:40:02 +0000, Kate Dicey
wrote: We speculated on it being knitted on 4 needles, like a sock, when I was at school. I like to think of Mary knitting. Richard Rutt, the only historian to take needlework seriously, discusses this on pages 27 and 28 of _A History of Hand Knitting_. He is quite certain that the "seamless garment" was a woven khiton. (There's a mark over the "o" in "khiton".) Joy Beeson -- http://home.earthlink.net/~joybeeson/ -- needlework http://home.earthlink.net/~dbeeson59...HSEW/ROUGH.HTM http://home.earthlink.net/~beeson_n3f/ -- Writers' Exchange joy beeson at earthlink dot net |
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Dear Joy, Most or all garments in the time of Christ were seamless--they were draped around the body. Jews had to wear garments with a blue stripe on them to diffrentiate them from others. The wearing of veils for women in the Middle East began about 2500 B.C.E. When I went to see the King Tut exhibit in Los Angeles many years ago, I wasn't impressed with the gold and jewels, the statues or the other funerary items. But there was a knitted linen glove. It looked to be made almost the same way that we would knit one today. I have since seen foot coverings (socks?) that were knitted in intricate patterns from the same region, but just a little later. The patterns were incredible. Teri |
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Dear Liz, I wish that I had been more observant, or that my memory was better. I've seen the naalbinding that you mentioned, and it looks different, and is not as stretchy as real knitting. This glove from the tomb looked like regular knitting. The woven textiles were as fine, if not better, than those available today. I spend more time in the textiles sections of museums than I do the fine art sections, simply because I am fascinated with the superior quality of them, knowing they were made with the crudest of tools. I think straight knitting on a board is as old, if not older, than needles. My knitting machines are not much changed from the sixteenth century machine invented to make stockings, except mine knits flat, and the stocking machine could knit in the round without seams. If I add a second bed of needles, I can knit in the round. I don't get as much satisfaction out of my machines as I do hand-knitting. I use them for monotonous large projects, or sometimes color work, because I don't like to work with bobbins. But I finish my machine knitted items by hand, as I do my hand-knitted pieces. Teri |
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Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply wrote: wrote: better, than those available today. I spend more time in the textiles sections of museums than I do the fine art sections, simply because I am fascinated with the superior quality of them, knowing they were made with the crudest of tools. Probably the quality is better because they weren't so concerned with (a) speed and (b) profit as they are today. There wasn't much to be done about the speed before mechanisation was widespread. The economic systems prior to the Industrial Revolution were different. The earlier weavers often (but not always) worked for little more than room and board. Typically the owner(s) of the workshops were paid and provided the wherewithall to complete commissions out of that payment. Even after the IR took hold, weaving often still wasn't a very well paid occupation for the weavers; no more than workshop dressmakers and milliners. |
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Joy, it seems to me that I once read that early knitting needles were
made of bone. That would have been easier to model than sticks for some cultures, and plentiful. Karen Maslowski in Ohio joy beeson wrote: It is my unsupported opinion that the invention of knitting had to wait for the invention of wire drawing. Knitting needles are precision implements, and though it's possible to make needles with no tools but a rough rock -- my grandfather *did* whittle a pair of needles with his pocket knife, and my oldest sister has them on the wall in her stairway -- you aren't very likely to sit down and make a set of smooth, uniform, very thin sticks unless you have a use for them. And there's no way you could get the idea of holding loops on thin, smooth, uniform sticks and pulling other loops through them unless you have the sticks to play with. Joy Beeson |
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