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Old August 23rd 03, 10:42 PM
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
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Amnesty international has declared suicidal terror acts as Wars of
crime
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Old August 23rd 03, 10:57 PM
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
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Double standards Dianne ,

You didn't "pour out your feelings", you condemned us for having said
nothing.

May you or none of you never be in my/ our place ,, When i pour my
feelings in one way you call me whining and playing victim , when i
speak from my heart another time you call it condemming ......
Yes i was telling you that i was hoping just for once that this group
will be different , but you can`t .. And i do not know what this
comparison with Dutchie does here ....

There's a difference. Rueben (Dutchie) poured out her heart. We
responded with well wishes and simple advice.

You poured out your anger. I simply didn't know how to respond to your
post. But that didn't mean that I was in any less pain over the war and
death that both Palestine and Isreal are suffering.

If you think this is anger , lady are you lucky , and have you had a
shelterd life , even with your last hard life .Those who wanted knew
how to respond ,..On other Ngs and lists people Phoned, in this ng ...
Chocolade and ...petrol prices are more important ,,,,
I simply don't know how we're going to stop religious zealots. We're
dealing with zealots of all kinds in our own country. They are frightening.

And Dianne you better start thinking about those Zealots before they
blow up somethnmg else in your country or have you forgotten the Twin
towers , blown up by the same school of thought.
By condeming their acts you give them a blow at a time , by keeping
quiet you encourage them !!!!!
mirjam

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Old August 23rd 03, 11:03 PM
Mirjam Bruck-Cohen
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Well Dawne so you say a prayer and i do not think lightly of it ,
but will a prayer stop all this ?
i thank you for the prayers , but my experience of several generations
told me prayers are not enough , we have to condemm the deeds , and
sometimes smack back, Every day as a young guard checks my bag in the
door of every mall , as another guard walks in a bus and checks it for
me i thank them with all my heart and wish them a 'Boring day" .
And the sad thing Dawne ! is that this murderes are carried in the
name of a religion ,,, that is so horrid , so anti any idea we all
want to have about a religion , The last terrorist was a religious
teacher .....and it is so sad.
mirjam
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Old August 24th 03, 12:13 AM
Dawne Peterson
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"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" wrote .
Well Dawne so you say a prayer and i do not think lightly of it , but

will a prayer stop all this ?
Maybe it will. Maybe someday the hearts and minds of people everywhere
will be turned from hatred to love. Maybe if enough people say enough
killing, it can stop. Ireland seemed finally, after many bloodsoaked
years, to reach that point, despite long history and religious difference,
but the path to that point was tortuous.
i thank you for the prayers , but my experience of several generations

told me prayers are not enough ,
Neither, with respect, is posting to a newsgroup. If one wants to write,
perhaps one should write to one's political leaders--but then again,
someone could answer me that people have done that for years too. How many
peace vigils, how many candlelight marches, how many letters to the editor
will change the world.......just like how many prayers. But any of these
is better than bullets. Do we stop then because one so rarely sees results
from them??
sometimes smack back,

An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind, as Gandhi said. Canadians, to a
fair extent, do not get involved, as a country , in "smacking back", but
have always been willing to stand between the combattants. Two of the fine
people killed in the bombing in Bagdad were Canadians, one working with
UNICEF, one with the Christian Children's Fund. But each nation must
determine how it will stand against evil in the world, and what Canada does
is what it does, and what Israel does is what its people feel it must do.
Every day as a young guard checks my bag in the
door of every mall , as another guard walks in a bus and checks it for

me i thank them with all my heart and wish them a 'Boring day" .
I would join you in those wishes. All security guards, all peacekeeping
battallions, all bomb squads, may they have many long and boring days.

And the sad thing Dawne ! is that this murderes are carried in the name

of a religion ,,, that is so horrid , so anti any idea we all want to
have about a religion , The last terrorist was a religious teacher
......and it is so sad.

Sad indeed. And there is no religion on earth that hasn't been tarnished
by some fool or another doing evil in its name. Which makes it incumbent
on the rest of us to do good.
Dawne


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Old August 24th 03, 12:25 AM
Dianne Lewandowski
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Husband and I watched the "History" channel last night. We were both
awestruck and unaware at what happened to Czechs during WWII. At the
end, they showed the monument built for the children killed in the one
city. So many slaughtered of all ages and philosophy. And the cruelty.

There are always those who hate. How I wish we knew how to deal with
them before it was too late. Too often, it is the "people" who put them
in power because of their own fears. Something we all need to think about.

Dianne

wrote:
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:58:58 -0400, Tara D wrote:


On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 06:52:18 GMT,
(Mirjam
Bruck-Cohen) wrote:


Why Elizabeth , are
this babies less than others ????


Why are the 14 adults that lost their lives in the same explosion any
less than the babies?

Tara




They aren't of course in reality, any life lost is just as devastating
for their relatives, especially if the breadwinner of a family is
gone, the mother, or the sister, or anyone connected and loved by you.

I think the thought of an innocent baby, yet to harm anyone, that a
short time ago had all it's life ahead of it, somehow seems worse. You
are right, it is no different.

Sheena


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Old August 24th 03, 12:29 AM
toni ferrick
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I have 2 questions--I know they are dumb but I just have to ask?

1. Why are there more jews in NYC than in Israel?
2. Why can't we just leave them alone and let Israel defend themselves how
they see fit? They did fine the last time.
"Dawne Peterson" wrote in message
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"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" wrote .
Well Dawne so you say a prayer and i do not think lightly of it , but

will a prayer stop all this ?
Maybe it will. Maybe someday the hearts and minds of people everywhere
will be turned from hatred to love. Maybe if enough people say enough
killing, it can stop. Ireland seemed finally, after many bloodsoaked
years, to reach that point, despite long history and religious difference,
but the path to that point was tortuous.
i thank you for the prayers , but my experience of several generations

told me prayers are not enough ,
Neither, with respect, is posting to a newsgroup. If one wants to write,
perhaps one should write to one's political leaders--but then again,
someone could answer me that people have done that for years too. How

many
peace vigils, how many candlelight marches, how many letters to the editor
will change the world.......just like how many prayers. But any of these
is better than bullets. Do we stop then because one so rarely sees

results
from them??
sometimes smack back,

An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind, as Gandhi said. Canadians, to a
fair extent, do not get involved, as a country , in "smacking back", but
have always been willing to stand between the combattants. Two of the

fine
people killed in the bombing in Bagdad were Canadians, one working with
UNICEF, one with the Christian Children's Fund. But each nation must
determine how it will stand against evil in the world, and what Canada

does
is what it does, and what Israel does is what its people feel it must do.
Every day as a young guard checks my bag in the
door of every mall , as another guard walks in a bus and checks it for

me i thank them with all my heart and wish them a 'Boring day" .
I would join you in those wishes. All security guards, all peacekeeping
battallions, all bomb squads, may they have many long and boring days.

And the sad thing Dawne ! is that this murderes are carried in the

name
of a religion ,,, that is so horrid , so anti any idea we all want to
have about a religion , The last terrorist was a religious teacher
.....and it is so sad.

Sad indeed. And there is no religion on earth that hasn't been tarnished
by some fool or another doing evil in its name. Which makes it incumbent
on the rest of us to do good.
Dawne




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Old August 24th 03, 12:46 AM
Dianne Lewandowski
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Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote:

And Dianne you better start thinking about those Zealots before they
blow up somethnmg else in your country or have you forgotten the Twin
towers , blown up by the same school of thought.
By condeming their acts you give them a blow at a time , by keeping
quiet you encourage them !!!!!


And who says I'm keeping quiet? Just because I said nothing here
doesn't mean I'm being quiet. You have no idea at all what I do in the
background - when I'm not reading/posting here.

I give zealots courage when I act, think and talk "fear". I'm not gonna
do that - as long as it's possible for me to behave otherwise. I may
not have known the fear of war and cruelty like those during WWII or
under regimes such as Pol Pot or Edi Amin, but I know fear for my life,
and being helpless to stop it. You are not the only one, Mirjam. You
know nothing about me.

Dianne


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Old August 24th 03, 01:11 AM
Dawne Peterson
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"toni ferrick" wrote .
I have 2 questions--I know they are dumb but I just have to ask?

1. Why are there more jews in NYC than in Israel?


According to a quick Google search, the population of Israel is 6.5
million. The Jewish population of the United States is 5.5 million. The
Jewish population of New York City is, for the first time in many years,
less than one million.
Dawne


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Old August 24th 03, 01:24 AM
Lucille
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There are more Jews in New York City than in Israel because Jewish people
have been thrown out of their homes for centuries before there was an Israel
for them to go to. And you're forgetting that Israel is a tiny country,
surrounded by enemies who won't allow Jewish people in. Many of them
settled in New York because it was the first place they came to when they
got off steerage on the ships that brought them. They left in droves from
Eastern European countries that hated them, tortured them and didn't allow
them freedom; even before Hitler.

And lest you forget, most of the Jewish people who live in the United States
consider themselves Americans and just because we would like to see peace in
Israel doesn't make us any less dedicated to the American way of life.
Lucille

"toni ferrick" wrote in message
...
I have 2 questions--I know they are dumb but I just have to ask?

1. Why are there more jews in NYC than in Israel?
2. Why can't we just leave them alone and let Israel defend themselves

how
they see fit? They did fine the last time.
"Dawne Peterson" wrote in message
...




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Old August 24th 03, 03:43 AM
Dr. Brat
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Dianne Lewandowski wrote:
Husband and I watched the "History" channel last night. We were both
awestruck and unaware at what happened to Czechs during WWII. At the
end, they showed the monument built for the children killed in the one
city. So many slaughtered of all ages and philosophy. And the cruelty.


And not just the Czechs, Dianne. The Poles and the Ukrainians and the
Serbs and the Jews and the Chechens and the Tatars (obviously Hitler
wasn't the only one at work on this list)... it goes on and on.

Elizabeth
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The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate
and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich
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