Vincenzo Taormina and the Forum for The Jewelry Addicted | Google Groups

Vincenzo Taormina Present:

Do you love creating, designing, imaging, selling, purchasing,
trading, exchanging, showing, wholesaling, cutting, polishing,
criticizing, wearing, etc etc......JEWELRY?

We create the right place for you.
The Forum Hosted by Google for the Jewelry addicted

Join Us: http://groups.google.sc/group/vincen...najewelryforum

Vincenzo Taormina
http://www.vincenzotaormina.net

On Thu, 17 May 2007 20:12:07 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry Taormina Studio
wrote:

Vincenzo Taormina Present:

Do you love creating, designing, imaging, selling, purchasing,
trading, exchanging, showing, wholesaling, cutting, polishing,
criticizing, wearing, etc etc......JEWELRY?

We create the right place for you.
The Forum Hosted by Google for the Jewelry addicted

Join Us: http://groups.google.sc/group/vincen...najewelryforum

Vincenzo Taormina
http://www.vincenzotaormina.net

Not to shoot anyone down or anything, but about the only thing some new forum on
google groups could offer is the opportunity to sell jewelry on the group. And
that capability, once the sellers find out about it, will quickly destroy the
utility of the group (as it almost did to this one, until it became moderated
ten years ago). For those who actually do love jewelry and the craft, and want
places to discuss it or showcase their work instead of just hawking it, it's
hard to come close to beating the already existing groups. This one, for
example, has been around since the early 90s. It's moderated status keeps out
spam and blatant commercialism, and usually manages to reduce the occasional
fights to a dull roar instead of letting them destroy the group. For those who
only want to selfishly use the group for advertising, of course, we're not the
place, but I suspect your new group won't benefit from that either, if it's
allowed. (voice of experience there...)

And none of us here, or on google groups, can hope to even dimly compete with
the 500 pound gorilla in the room, the Orchid list hosted on the Ganoksin.com
web site. With far more subscribers than will ever bother to check out any of
the google groups or this newsgroup, the Orchid list really is the biggest and
most active discussion forum for jewelry makers and lovers in the world. Makers
even get free showcase space on the Ganoksin site if they wish to display their
work to fellow jewelers. Again, it's for jewelry lovers and makers, not merely
for those looking to sell. For that, there's always Ebay...

Taormina Studio wrote:
Vincenzo Taormina Present:

Do you love creating, designing, imaging, selling, purchasing,
trading, exchanging, showing, wholesaling, cutting, polishing,
criticizing, wearing, etc etc......JEWELRY?

We create the right place for you.
The Forum Hosted by Google for the Jewelry addicted

Join Us: http://groups.google.sc/group/vincen...najewelryforum


Why bother? Why are you trying to reinvent the wheel?

Ever heard of Orchid on Ganoksin.com?

--
Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com

To:
Subject: Vincenzo Taormina and the Forum for The Jewelry Addicted | Google
Groups
From: Taormina Studio
Date: 18 May 2007 05:40:07 -0700

On May 17, 11:26?pm, "Peter W.. Rowe,"
wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2007 20:12:07 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry Taormina Studio

wrote:
Vincenzo Taormina Present:

Do you love creating, designing, imaging, selling, purchasing,
trading, exchanging, showing, wholesaling, cutting, polishing,
criticizing, wearing, etc etc......JEWELRY?

We create the right place for you.
The Forum Hosted by Google for the Jewelry addicted

Join Us:http://groups.google.sc/group/vincen...najewelryforum

Vincenzo Taormina
http://www.vincenzotaormina.net

Not to shoot anyone down or anything, but about the only thing some new forum on
google groups could offer is the opportunity to sell jewelry on the group. And
that capability, once the sellers find out about it, will quickly destroy the
utility of the group (as it almost did to this one, until it became moderated
ten years ago). for those who actually do love jewelry and the craft, and want
places to discuss it or showcase their work instead of just hawking it, it's
hard to come close to beating the already existing groups. This one, for
example, has been around since the early 90s. t's moderated status keeps out
spam and blatant commercialism, and usually manages to reduce the occasional
fights to a dull roar instead of letting them destroy the group. For those who
only want to selfishly use the group for advertising, of course, we're not the
place, but I suspect your new group won't benefit from that either, if it's
allowed. (voice of experience there...)

And none of us here, or on google groups, can hope to even dimly compete with
the 500 pound gorilla in the room, the Orchid list hosted on the Ganoksin.com
web site. With far more subscribers than will ever bother to check out any of
the google groups or this newsgroup, the Orchid list really is the biggest and
most active discussion forum for jewelry makers and lovers in the world. Makers
even get free showcase space on the Ganoksin site if they wish to display their
work to fellow jewelers. Again, it's for jewelry lovers and makers, not merely
for those looking to sell. for that, there's always Ebay...

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Peter thank you for your replay.

The Forum for the Jewelry ADDICTED

is for Everyone!

For artist, buyers, seller, vendors ALL!

Our intention is to unite those categories of people
because I think it would benefit all.
You could exchange opinion with another fellow artist
about techniques or other related to jewelry making , selling
Like in the Orchid forum,
but you never will know the true up until you try to Show it to a
regular potential Customer!
What about a group where you NEVER will o could image is reading you
post
a Place where you can link images from your web site
web page, show directly to potential buyers you hard work...
Do all the above and more?
Just like to be in a shop in a main streen, and you never know who
will be you next customer entering your shop!

Our forum is not moderate for now, and since Belong to Google
it is Free, Not Donation asked like the big gorilla.

Depending how people will interact,
under request to the Forum Manager,
you could upload images of your work with descriptions,
WEBSITE ecc ecc.

The Orchid is a great forum and we are not trying to compete
with them...we would like to be just another OPEN space,
where you will be more excited to talk or show about your work
because who will answer will most likely NOT be another
artist but a ART/jewelry Critic or a Potential JEWELRY BUYERS
or a regular Client That knows about good or bad CRAFT!!!

Can you handle the HEAT!
Be the first one to Join...

Join Us: http://groups.google.sc/group/vincen...najewelryforum

Thank you All

Vincenzo Taormina
http://www.vincenzotaormina.net

On Fri, 18 May 2007 03:12:14 GMT, Taormina Studio
wrote:

Vincenzo Taormina Present:

Do you love creating, designing, imaging, selling, purchasing,
trading, exchanging, showing, wholesaling, cutting, polishing,
criticizing, wearing, etc etc......JEWELRY?

We create the right place for you.
The Forum Hosted by Google for the Jewelry addicted

I thought we were already in the right place :-)

--
Al Balmer
Sun City, AZ

On Fri, 18 May 2007 15:48:45 GMT in rec.crafts.jewelry Taormina
Studio , intended to write something
intelligible, but instead wrote :

snip
but you never will know the true up until you try ...
snip

The "true up"??

Must one also have "street cred" to post and read your site?
Yo. Whatup dawg?

Frosty

On Fri, 18 May 2007 03:12:14 GMT, Taormina Studio
wrote:

Vincenzo Taormina Present:

Do you love creating, designing, imaging, selling, purchasing,
trading, exchanging, showing, wholesaling, cutting, polishing,
criticizing, wearing, etc etc......JEWELRY?

We create the right place for you.
The Forum Hosted by Google for the Jewelry addicted

Join Us: http://groups.google.sc/group/vincen...najewelryforum

I wouldn't have guessed google had pages for the Seychelles.

Your forum will just be one of thousands that are not as useful as the
major existing forums.
--
Marilee J. Layman
http://mjlayman.livejournal.com

On May 19, 4:24?am, "Marilee J. Layman" wrote:
On Fri, 18 May 2007 03:12:14 GMT, Taormina Studio

wrote:
Vincenzo Taormina Present:

Do you love creating, designing, imaging, selling, purchasing,
trading, exchanging, showing, wholesaling, cutting, polishing,
criticizing, wearing, etc etc......JEWELRY?

We create the right place for you.
The Forum Hosted by Google for the Jewelry addicted

Join Us:http://groups.google.sc/group/vincen...najewelryforum

I wouldn't have guessed google had pages for the Seychelles.

Your forum will just be one of thousands that are not as useful as the
major existing forums.
--
Marilee J. Laymanhttp://mjlayman.livejournal.com
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To EVERYONE,

You see in life you live and learn all the time.

From Our web site (over 3700 visitors a month)
We created a page pointing directly to Our New Google Group
and the Link listed in our HOME Page.

Since I been once in my life where I was dreaming to even have someone
looking at my work, and Since I strongly believe in "karma" and in "do
good to others" I was tring to share
with all of the appassionate of metal and craft some of my Success.

So you do the mat on how many new visitor your name or website and
what you do
automatically would have been seen.
But I guess you have so much business that you can even handle
and so many visitors that you don't even need right?

I Thank you all very much for opening my eyes and tell how it is.
I was ready to dedicate some of my time on this project, but I relized
that would have bee waste of time Thanks to your response. I
eventually will
delete the Group and go in Vacation.

See you all Later

On Sat, 19 May 2007 10:10:18 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry Taormina Studio
wrote:


To EVERYONE,

You see in life you live and learn all the time.

From Our web site (over 3700 visitors a month)
We created a page pointing directly to Our New Google Group
and the Link listed in our HOME Page.

Since I been once in my life where I was dreaming to even have someone
looking at my work, and Since I strongly believe in "karma" and in "do
good to others" I was tring to share
with all of the appassionate of metal and craft some of my Success.

So you do the mat on how many new visitor your name or website and
what you do
automatically would have been seen.
But I guess you have so much business that you can even handle
and so many visitors that you don't even need right?

I Thank you all very much for opening my eyes and tell how it is.
I was ready to dedicate some of my time on this project, but I relized
that would have bee waste of time Thanks to your response. I
eventually will
delete the Group and go in Vacation.

See you all Later


Vincenzo,

Please be careful not to misinterpret the real meanings of the responses you've
gotten to your new google group.

It's not that people are trying to just discourage your interest or put down the
idea.

Here are the two main problems as I see them.

First, because your new discussion forum is linked to your site and your name,
even if your real intent in putting up the new group is to promote discussion
and an honest passion for jewelery, the association with your own company/web
site, etc, makes it look as though this new group is intended mostly to
advertise and promote your own work, rather than being fully impartial. In our
world today, we are all bombarded with so much advertising and attempts to get
us to look at one product or another, that we all tend to be suspicious of even
the suggestion of marketing, when it's presented as trying to be something else.
Even if your new google group really is an honest attempt to be a new discussion
forum, it looks like advertising, and people are not quick to discount that.
This doesn't mean they don't like jewelry, or that they don't like YOUR jewelry,
or anything of the sort. It merely reflects suspicion on the motives behind the
new group. That doesn't mean those suspicions are correct, or even that
advertising your site is wrong, it just means this is an impediment your group
would face.

Second is simply that, as we've pointed out, there are already many jewelry
discussion forums in existance. In addition to this newsgroup and the Orchid
mail list, you will find there are many other discussion forums that have been
set up by many other web sites and companies, usually with the same intent as
yours. Simple observation will show that few of them get all that much traffic.
It seems more logical, if you wish to engage in discussion (and we all wish
that), to try and use the existing successful forums for that purpose, rather
than trying to initiate a new forum, if that new forum does not create a new
capability.

Remember that about the only thing that is restricted in either this newsgroup
or the Orchid list, is actual advertising of jewelry for sale, and this
restriction is not there because the list owner, or me (the moderator of this
newsgroup) arbitrarily decided it should be. The restriction is there because
the USERS of these forums wanted it that way. This newsgroup was not moderated
when it was formed, but readers, in 1997, became sufficiently annoyed with
advertising and for sale ads, (and incessant posts from gem dealers), to
organize a vote to make this a moderated group. The group charter, which
defines what's allowed, was written by group users in order to make the group
best meet the needs and desires of it's users, and if those desires, as
expressed by users to me, ever change, I'll be only too happy to adapt the group
to meet those changed desires. The same can be said as well, of the Orchid
list. It's moderation policies exist only to make that list as useful as
possible. If users of that list wish things differently, you can be assured
Hanuman will change things to match what people want in the list.

Rather than being discouraged, and "going on vacation" from the idea, may I
suggest that people here in this group, or on the Orchid list, would welcome
your participation. As a fellow professional and talented designer and jeweler,
your input is valuable to us, and we'd all hope that you'd find the interaction
with all of us, to be equally interesting to you. Just because we don't seem to
feel that a new google group is needed for discussion purposes, doesn't mean you
should give up on the basic idea of enjoying a discussion forum about jewelery
topics, for jewelry lovers of all types. That's why we're all here in the first
place.

By the way, the reason this group, and the orchid list, restricts the format of
postings (no HTML, no direct image attachments/graphic files) is simply
technical in nature, relating to server overloads, database size, message
retention times, and the like. It's much more efficient for the newsgroup as a
whole, when message sizes are kept small, thus the requirement to post in simple
askii. And asking people to put images on a web server, instead of in the
message itself, is also simply efficient. Newsgroup messages exist in many
multiples, on all the many news servers in the world. Large files take up.
worldwide, much more space. It's much more efficient to take up that space on
only one web server somewhere, rather than duplicating it everywhere, and doing
this improves the overall functioning of the newsgroup, while still making the
image files easily available to everyone. It also makes it possible for the
poster of the images, to correct mistakes, edit and update photoes, etc.

Please don't feel the negative response to your new google group is reason to be
discouraged. Just consider changing where you'd like to hold your discussions.
And enjoy the vibrant discussion forums that already exist.

By the way, please also remember that there is a specific and quite effective,
advertising method that always has, and still remains, valid on this group, and
the orchid list. By longtime internet convention, it's common for people to
include a "signature file" after their signature/name at the end of a message.
This is often a simple line or two, detailing who they are, or their contact
information, but it also often contains the URL to the posters web site, if
they have one. This may seem low key, but it's very effective. If you engage
in interesting conversations in this group or the orchid group, anyone who finds
your comments of interest will then perhaps be curious about who you are, and
will check out your web site. This of course is the aim of all advertising in
the first place, and it sends people to your site with the authority of your
writing, not with some slick advertisement. In the end, you'll find that
participation in this group, or especially the orchid list (because it's so
large) will definately increase the number of people who visit your site. It's
well worth doing, if this was part of your purpose in setting up a discussion
forum.

Hope this helps.

Peter Rowe
moderator,
rec.crafts.jewelry

On May 19, 1:38?pm, "Peter W.. Rowe,"
wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 10:10:18 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry Taormina Studio





wrote:

To EVERYONE,

You see in life you live and learn all the time.

From Our web site (over 3700 visitors a month)
We created a page pointing directly to Our New Google Group
and the Link listed in our HOME Page.

Since I been once in my life where I was dreaming to even have someone
looking at my work, and Since I strongly believe in "karma" and in "do
good to others" I was tring to share
with all of the appassionate of metal and craft some of my Success.

So you do the mat on how many new visitor your name or website and
what you do
automatically would have been seen.
But I guess you have so much business that you can even handle
and so many visitors that you don't even need right?

I Thank you all very much for opening my eyes and tell how it is.
I was ready to dedicate some of my time on this project, but I relized
that would have bee waste of time Thanks to your response. I
eventually will
delete the Group and go in Vacation.

See you all Later

Vincenzo,

Please be careful not to misinterpret the real meanings of the responses you've
gotten to your new google group.


[[long quote of Peter's prior message clipped to save space, and because it got
a little garbled along the way... pwr]]


Hope this helps.

Peter Rowe
moderator,
rec.crafts.jewelry-

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Peter,

Thank you very much for your well explained reply.
To tell you the true, I been part of this group
for about couple days, and I did't relized
that this group had an active Moderator.
I saw couple Britney whatever's Ads, and I guess got the wrong idea.

Best regards
Vincenzo Taormina