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lucretia borgia wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:02:55 -0500, "Lucille" lzoltynospam@now at
comcast..net opined:
Anybody else would have had to put time in for what he did.
Thereafter, he could be a saint for all I care, the young woman was
still very dead all those years while he lived in luxury.

Yes, but he would have had the luxurious lifestyle either way and at least
he didn't just waste his time after that tragedy.


I saw an interview with her parents once, not that many years ago it
wasn't at the time, and they spoke about how the Kennedy team came to
the house and basically really suggested they keep quiet and not ruin
his career. When they might have had sympathy for losing their
daughter, they were asked to stay silent 'for the Kennedys sake' -
too many things done by that family.

I think of all the life I have led since I was her age and it doesn't
bear thinking about.

Sheena, I think the reason folk like you and I are still outraged about
it was that we actually remember the event when Mary Jo Kopechne
drowned. She had a name, and photos which we have not forgotten. We also
remember how horrified we were at the time that absolutely nothing was
done about it, and that Kennedy got off scot-free.

It's not a piece of history to us older generation, it was a part of
our life, or living history, and as such we may see it differently. I
think nothing he has done, or could do, can condone for it.

G

"lucretia borgia" wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:02:55 -0500, "Lucille" lzoltynospam@now at
comcast..net opined:

Anybody else would have had to put time in for what he did.
Thereafter, he could be a saint for all I care, the young woman was
still very dead all those years while he lived in luxury.


Yes, but he would have had the luxurious lifestyle either way and at least
he didn't just waste his time after that tragedy.


I saw an interview with her parents once, not that many years ago it
wasn't at the time, and they spoke about how the Kennedy team came to
the house and basically really suggested they keep quiet and not ruin
his career. When they might have had sympathy for losing their
daughter, they were asked to stay silent 'for the Kennedys sake' -
too many things done by that family.

I think of all the life I have led since I was her age and it doesn't
bear thinking about.


I don't much like, or have a great deal of respect for most of the Kennedy's
of that generation and I don't doubt for a minute that they were cold,
calculating and very capable of acting that way. Rose, their mother,
basically ignored her kids and spent her time practicing her religion, the
father Joe was a rotten human being and generally a bad influence, they
drank too much and partied too much and got into trouble too much.

Yes he should have been punished and of course he shouldn't be forgiven and
her life was precious and shouldn't be forgotten, but that was then and I am
judging him on now. You read stories all the time about people who make
dreadful mistakes when they are young and never accomplish anything after
that. Would that have been better?

Lucille wrote:
"lucretia borgia" wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:51:44 -0600, Jangchub
opined:

On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:22:03 -0500, "Lucille" lzoltynospam@now at
comcast..net wrote:

Which were completely taken out of context. Mark read his newest book
and though I cannot site chapter and verse with regard to the out of
context remarks, I do recall his intentions were not that which were
used againt him.

Victoria

Maybe !!!


Happy Turkey Day, except for the turkeys.

L
Thanks for remembering the 45 million turkeys; poor things. Yes,
we'll be having tofurkey. I'm glad I don't have a fussy eater here.

Have great times with family and friends.

V
Victoria



I can feel sympathetic to turkeys since it's not one of my favourite
things, but tofurkey ?? Sounds pukey Vic ! Prolly best you say it
carefully too. vbg


I've tasted it and it's not for me. I thought it tasted like nothing unless
you drown it in gravy. I guess I think most tofu based food has zero taste.
I know it's supposed to take on the taste of what it's cooked in but for a
person who doesn't much like sauces that doesn't always work.


It can be marinated, which would eliminate the need for a sauce.

On Nov 27, 12:59 pm, lucretia borgia
wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:57:12 -0500, "Lucille" lzoltynospam@now at
comcast..net opined:





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On Nov 26, 7:49 pm, Gillian Murray wrote:
Wonder if she likes Kerry or Kennedy!

I've had no use for John Kerry since he voted to authorize military
action in Iraq. He was the ONLY elected rep from the Commonwealth of
Massachusets to vote yes and he said at the time that he knew his
constituents didn't support his vote. I think he did it because he
wanted to run for president and I've voted against him as senator ever
since. Kennedy may have a sorted background, but he has worked hard
for the people of this Commonwealth. JMO.

Elizabeth

Hooray for the Brat!

Kennedy has worked not only for the Commonwealth, but for so many things I
care about. He had a bad start, but he sure has come a long, long way since
then.

Anybody else would have had to put time in for what he did.

You don't know that. Since he was never tried for it, there's no way
to proclaim him guilty or not guilty. Usually if a prosecutor chooses
not to take something to trial, it's because there isn't enough
evidence. Lacking evidence of what actually happened means that you
don't get to judge him.

Elizabeth

On Nov 27, 1:35 pm, Gillian Murray wrote:
lucretia borgia wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:02:55 -0500, "Lucille" lzoltynospam@now at
comcast..net opined:
Anybody else would have had to put time in for what he did.
Thereafter, he could be a saint for all I care, the young woman was
still very dead all those years while he lived in luxury.

Yes, but he would have had the luxurious lifestyle either way and at least
he didn't just waste his time after that tragedy.

I saw an interview with her parents once, not that many years ago it
wasn't at the time, and they spoke about how the Kennedy team came to
the house and basically really suggested they keep quiet and not ruin
his career. When they might have had sympathy for losing their
daughter, they were asked to stay silent 'for the Kennedys sake' -
too many things done by that family.

I think of all the life I have led since I was her age and it doesn't
bear thinking about.

Sheena, I think the reason folk like you and I are still outraged about
it was that we actually remember the event when Mary Jo Kopechne
drowned. She had a name, and photos which we have not forgotten. We also
remember how horrified we were at the time that absolutely nothing was
done about it, and that Kennedy got off scot-free.

It's not a piece of history to us older generation, it was a part of
our life, or living history, and as such we may see it differently. I
think nothing he has done, or could do, can condone for it.

I think that there's something very hypocritical about being so upset
about Mary Jo Kopechne because she had a name and photos and not being
more upset about thousands of Iraqi families bombed as "collateral
damage" during this war, simply because they don't have names and
photos.

Elizabeth

On Nov 27, 1:45 pm, lucretia borgia
wrote:


Likely, plus the fiendish part was maybe she could have been saved if
he hadn't run off to save his own neck first and foremost, leaving her
to slowly drown in the vehicle.

Were you there?

Elizabeth

On Nov 27, 8:26 pm, Jangchub wrote:

He didn't murder her, he was cheating on his wife and left the scene
and reported it hours later. It doesn't make it better, but I think
the Kennedy's have had their fair share of early deaths, particularly
John.

Actually, he didn't report it. The fishermen who found the car did.
But there's all sorts of weirdness around that accident and I don't
think anyone (including Kennedy himself) is in a position to
conclusively say what happened that night.

Elizabeth

wrote:
I think that there's something very hypocritical about being so upset
about Mary Jo Kopechne because she had a name and photos and not being
more upset about thousands of Iraqi families bombed as "collateral
damage" during this war, simply because they don't have names and
photos.

Elizabeth

Thank you.
Dianne


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"Jangchub" wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:33:39 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Nov 27, 8:26 pm, Jangchub wrote:

He didn't murder her, he was cheating on his wife and left the scene
and reported it hours later. It doesn't make it better, but I think
the Kennedy's have had their fair share of early deaths, particularly
John.

Actually, he didn't report it. The fishermen who found the car did.
But there's all sorts of weirdness around that accident and I don't
think anyone (including Kennedy himself) is in a position to
conclusively say what happened that night.

Elizabeth

True, but my main point was the Kennedy's have had their fair share of
early deaths, two of which were assasinations. I think I was just
short of being old enough to remember the situation with Mary Jo, but
my hubs is a Kennedy Conspiracy buff.

Victoria

I never liked the conspiracy angle. Get 5 or 6 Greek men together and ask
them who had J.F.K. killed and they will all tell you, "Onassis", who later
found out his prize was dead in bed. Actually the only two that more or less
gained were Hoover and Johnson and they didn't have to spend a dime. I found
it strange that Oswald who tried to shoot the govenor weeks earlier and
missed was credited with shooting J.F.K. who was a moving target and way
further away. Oswald was a lousy shot who couldn't hit the govenor from
fifty feet even though the govenor was sitting in his chair reading a
newspaper.

My thoughts - Oswald was paid to bring the rifle to the depository. The real
shooter meets Oswald on the third? floor. The real shooter wearing gloves
does what he was paid to do and hands the rifle back to Oswald and tells
Oswald to hide the rifle and to follow him. Oswald stashes the rifle and
attempts to follow the real shooter but runs into the cop who is on his way
up. This delays Oswald long enough that by the time he exits the back door
the real shooter is driving away in the station wagon leaving Oswald whose
finger prints are all over the rifle behind to face the music. The get-away
vehicle is gone and Oswald realizes he has been set up and panics. The rest
is history - sort of - I think that if Oswald had made it to the get-away
car the real shooter or driver would sooner or later have snuffed him out. I
have often wondered if the same station wagon picked up the other guy that
was on the grassy knoll. Face it - Oswald was not a complete idiot. If he
planned everything himself he would surely have planned a better get-away.
The guys in the station wagon now have a problem because Oswald is still
alive and could talk so Ruby is called upon to take Oswald out. All makes
for interesting conversation - eh wot??

Fred

On Nov 27, 10:03*pm, lucretia borgia
wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:33:39 -0800 (PST),
opined:

On Nov 27, 8:26 pm, Jangchub wrote:

He didn't murder her, he was cheating on his wife and left the scene
and reported it hours later. *It doesn't make it better, but I think
the Kennedy's *have had their fair share of early deaths, particularly
John.

Actually, he didn't report it. *The fishermen who found the car did.
But there's all sorts of weirdness around that accident and I don't
think anyone (including Kennedy himself) is in a position to
conclusively say what happened that night.

Elizabeth

He was clearly driving, they left together. *Car in water, panic, runs
to find the Kennedy fixer. *She drowns. *

Um, none of that is actually clear. It's all based on his testimony
from the next day and we don't know which of it is actually true. He
could have been framed and participated in his own framing for all any
of us know.

And as long as we're doling out responsibility, if the deputy who saw
the car back out of the drive and go speeding down the road to the
right had given chase or even bothered to investigate at all, he would
have seen the car in the water. Why didn't he do his job? Did he get
demoted or fined for dereliction of duty?

Nor was Kopechne a "girl." She was a 29 year old professional who had
already been up to her ears in Washington politics. People other than
Kennedy had plenty of reason to want her dead.

Elizabeth