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"willdereck" wrote ... Harlan Messinger wrote... (Igor Sklar) wrote: There is another Polish/Russian word which has veery distant Chinese roots: Pol. farfura ('porcelain'), Russ. farfor - Turk. farfur - Pers/Arab fagfur ('a Chinese province, a title of Chinese emperor') - Old Pers. bagapura, translated from Chin. tien-tse ('son of Heaven') [Vasmer, IV, 186-187] A translation isn't a loan word. So it's a loan word from Turkish, but not from Chinese. I found the word in Romanian language - farfuria "plate". Romanians are the descendants of Dacians Thracians, the ancient inhabitants of the Balkan Peninsula and parts of Anatolia (Homer, Herodotus, Tacitus, Strabo, etc). They are speaking a Romance language. And of course, Romanian borrowed quite a few words from Turkish in the days of the Ottomans J. |
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"John Atkinson" wrote in message ...
"willdereck" wrote ... Harlan Messinger wrote... (Igor Sklar) wrote: There is another Polish/Russian word which has veery distant Chinese roots: Pol. farfura ('porcelain'), Russ. farfor - Turk. farfur - Pers/Arab fagfur ('a Chinese province, a title of Chinese emperor') - Old Pers. bagapura, translated from Chin. tien-tse ('son of Heaven') [Vasmer, IV, 186-187] A translation isn't a loan word. So it's a loan word from Turkish, but not from Chinese. I found the word in Romanian language - farfuria "plate". Romanians are the descendants of Dacians Thracians, the ancient inhabitants of the Balkan Peninsula and parts of Anatolia (Homer, Herodotus, Tacitus, Strabo, etc). They are speaking a Romance language. And of course, Romanian borrowed quite a few words from Turkish in the days of the Ottomans J. No. It is not true. I found just a very few Turkish words, which are rarely used. |
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Jugoslav Dujic wrote:
W_D_Great_Divider wrote: | I have to bite - WHY is this being posted here in rec.crafts.pottery? The original post was about origin of Russian "farfura" (porcelain), (probably in the hope that someone from r.c.p knows more about history of the word) but here in sci.lang discussions tend to depart quickly... If you are discussing the origin of a word for "porcelain", which is, isn't it, some sort of pottery, it stands to reason that someone interested in pottery, and therefore possibly a reader of rec.crafts.pottery, might know something. And BTW, do you know the origin of "porcelain"? It's from a Latin word meaning a sow's vulva. (I put rec.crafts.pottery back into the ng line) |
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Igor Sklar wrote...
There is another Polish/Russian word which has veery distant Chinese roots: Pol. farfura ('porcelain'), Russ. farfor - Turk. farfur - Pers/Arab fagfur AFAIK there is an even older Russian word for porcelain, also of Oriental derivation: "tsenina", in the 15th century also spelled "chini" and "tsen'" Xenia |
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Jacques Guy wrote
... And BTW, do you know the origin of "porcelain"? It's from a Latin word meaning a sow's vulva. Versatile creatures, sows. You can make silk purses from their ears, too. Nigel ScriptMaster language resources (Persian/Turkish/Modern & Classical Greek/Russian/Romanian/Esperanto/IPA): http://www.elgin.free-online.co.uk New! EsperScript: http://www.elgin.free-online.co.uk/esperanto.htm |
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