Oiling your machine

"John" wrote in message
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On Feb 17, 2:58 pm, "Marie Dodge" wrote:
How on earth do you guys oil your machines? This NewHome has most of the
head parts set in such a way the oil-can can't reach them! HELP!!!!!!!!!!!

A lot of the new Janome machines, don't use oil in the bearings. They
have what are the equivalent of sealed bearings.

This machine was bought in 1991 or 92. Where they made oil free then? The
owner's manual doesn't mention it.

Therefore, they
probably shouldn't be oiled. They are meant to be used up and then
replaced as in planned obsolescence.

Just "replace" a $600 machine like it's a $10 toy? ????????


One of the dead giveaways is if
it uses a plastic bobbin.

This machine uses either a plastic or metal bobbin. Mine are plastic.


There would be no purpose to oiling a
plastic bobbin race as the plastic is somewhat self lubricating. Any
machine that uses a metal bobbin case in a CB hook should be oiled,....

What is a CB hook? Is the race the part around the bobbin?

as
metal on metal creates friction and will heat and wear out sooner than
it should.

What about metal on metal in the head where those arms are moving up and
down?


As to the inner workings of the sewing head; again if it
has a plastic bobbin, then it is a good guess that the bearings in the
machine head are probably sealed units, also.

Sealed how? They're metal like in the old Singer machine. I see nothing
that looks like it has a seal.

There, of course, are
probably exception to this premiss, but the greater majority of
machines that fall into the above categories, are likely to follow the
generalization. I am sure we now will hear from any number of people
who have machines that fall outside of the generalization, but that
proves the point, unless they are in the majority, which I doubt. Most
of the domestic machine manufacturers have gone to sealed bearings, as
they last a long time and when they fail, they can sell you a new
machine instead of fixing the bearing with a replacement bearing,
unless you insist.

Just were exactly are these bearings? How can you tell they're there? I
see metal arms and things moving when the needle goes up and down. What
would bearings look like? Where are they hidden (?).

They will last the length of the warranty, under
most circumstances. Most of the sewing done on these machine is
occasional, and not as intense usage, as we here on RCTQ use our
machines. That is my take on it, anyway.

What machines are you refering to though?



John

Kathy Applebaum wrote:
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FWIW, I've owned Janomes for years. The manuals have always said not to oil
them, the dealer has said "hogwash". I go with the dealer's recommendation.



I have a Janome 9000 and the manual says not to oil it myself.
Apparently I'm supposed to take the machine in to be oiled. Looks like
a way to get me to spend $$$ at the repair place -- LOL! Of course, my
machine is one of the embroidery machines with all the computer stuff
inside and there's no way to easily open her up AND no directions on
just what to oil if I did get 'er opened!! CiaoMeow ^;;^

PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^ (RCTQ Queen of Kitties)
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about
their whiskers!
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Howdy!

I asked "my" sewing machine people when I took my machine for
it's bi-annual check-up, "What's with the oil?"
The factory-trained repairman said that one of the biggest messes
usually seen w/ machine repair starts w/ too much oil,
esp. on the newer machines (less than 25 yrs old g);
"People just go crazy with the oil."
One way to avoid that is to make it less necessary for the machine
to be oiled, & new designs MAY make it difficult for the
customer/machine owner to get to the oil points.
"The biggest problem: people messing w/ something they don't know." G
But, he added, sometimes the manufacturer is trying to make it easier
on the machine owner, and/or protect their own butts by
not recommending do-it-yourself servicing (liability).
For $65, minus the discount guild members get &/or a coupon from the
newspaper, they check over everything, remove the dust I couldn't
get to, give it a good going-over and give it back looking & acting
brand new.

Parts guys love DIY-ers; when people tinker w/ stuff they don't know
anything about (esp. computerized stuff), parts people call it
"job security". ;-P

My little Janome is great. Dependable, cute, and she hums, quietly.
And the little *beep* she makes when starting up attracts the cat who
comes downstairs to check it out! ;-D

R/Sandy



On 2/18/08 7:53 AM, in article , "Tia
Mary" wrote:

Kathy Applebaum wrote:
.........snipped.........
FWIW, I've owned Janomes for years. The manuals have always said not to oil
them, the dealer has said "hogwash". I go with the dealer's recommendation.



I have a Janome 9000 and the manual says not to oil it myself.
Apparently I'm supposed to take the machine in to be oiled. Looks like
a way to get me to spend $$$ at the repair place -- LOL! Of course, my
machine is one of the embroidery machines with all the computer stuff
inside and there's no way to easily open her up AND no directions on
just what to oil if I did get 'er opened!! CiaoMeow ^;;^

PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^ (RCTQ Queen of Kitties)
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about
their whiskers!
Visit my Photo albums at http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary

So, if you have a newer machine the $65 is well worth the
cost. As I read this I see how quickly those old
FW's really would pay for themselves if you just need a
simple piecing machine. The more affordable models like
201's and 301's would really be great cost/maintenance
wise. Any machine needs to be properly maintained the
new fangled ones just are a lot needier! There is a place
for both I think.
Taria

Sandy Ellison wrote:
Howdy!

I asked "my" sewing machine people when I took my machine for
it's bi-annual check-up, "What's with the oil?"
The factory-trained repairman said that one of the biggest messes
usually seen w/ machine repair starts w/ too much oil,
esp. on the newer machines (less than 25 yrs old g);
"People just go crazy with the oil."
One way to avoid that is to make it less necessary for the machine
to be oiled, & new designs MAY make it difficult for the
customer/machine owner to get to the oil points.
"The biggest problem: people messing w/ something they don't know." G
But, he added, sometimes the manufacturer is trying to make it easier
on the machine owner, and/or protect their own butts by
not recommending do-it-yourself servicing (liability).
For $65, minus the discount guild members get &/or a coupon from the
newspaper, they check over everything, remove the dust I couldn't
get to, give it a good going-over and give it back looking & acting
brand new.

Parts guys love DIY-ers; when people tinker w/ stuff they don't know
anything about (esp. computerized stuff), parts people call it
"job security". ;-P

My little Janome is great. Dependable, cute, and she hums, quietly.
And the little *beep* she makes when starting up attracts the cat who
comes downstairs to check it out! ;-D

R/Sandy

"Tia Mary" wrote in message
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I have a Janome 9000 and the manual says not to oil it myself.
Apparently I'm supposed to take the machine in to be oiled.

Yes, this is what the man there told us. And when you bring them in it's $69
for doing what woman have always been able to do themselves - clean, oil and
grease their machine. I was speechless! I always did my old machine
myself. We left the machine there to be "serviced" and for the repairman to
remove the bobbin stop or brake that fell down into the machine. The
rattling in the bobbin case was the wrong size bobbin. Nothing else was
wrong and the racer (?) area was clean.

Looks like
a way to get me to spend $$$ at the repair place -- LOL! Of course, my
machine is one of the embroidery machines with all the computer stuff
inside and there's no way to easily open her up AND no directions on just
what to oil if I did get 'er opened!! CiaoMeow ^;;^

PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^ (RCTQ Queen of Kitties)
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about
their whiskers!
Visit my Photo albums at http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary

"Sandy Ellison" wrote in message
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My little Janome is great. Dependable, cute, and she hums, quietly.
And the little *beep* she makes when starting up attracts the cat who
comes downstairs to check it out! ;-D

The man at the shop told me to only use one drop of oil on the center of the
bobbin case. That was all!

Then again, there's this. We must not assume that the repairman is
qualified, having a good day and does a good job. A year or two ago, one of
my Berninas decided to toss a tiny spring out into my quilting. I didn't
know where it came from, what it did and apparently Miss Bernina didn't
care.
Eventually, we made a trip to civilization and took the Bernina in to
have the spring replaced wherever and for it to be cleaned and serviced.
The next day I had an upper thread create a terrible snarl. We had to
remove the side cover to the left of the thread uptake area to undo the
snarl . . . that area was not really exploding with fuzzies but it certainly
had not been cleaned.
Our youngest daughter's first sentence was, "Do it myself".
Yes. We know where that came from.
Polly




"Marie Dodge" wrote in message
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"Tia Mary" wrote in message
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I have a Janome 9000 and the manual says not to oil it myself.
Apparently I'm supposed to take the machine in to be oiled.

Yes, this is what the man there told us. And when you bring them in it's
$69 for doing what woman have always been able to do themselves - clean,
oil and grease their machine. I was speechless! I always did my old
machine myself. We left the machine there to be "serviced" and for the
repairman to remove the bobbin stop or brake that fell down into the
machine. The rattling in the bobbin case was the wrong size bobbin.
Nothing else was wrong and the racer (?) area was clean.

Looks like
a way to get me to spend $$$ at the repair place -- LOL! Of course, my
machine is one of the embroidery machines with all the computer stuff
inside and there's no way to easily open her up AND no directions on just
what to oil if I did get 'er opened!! CiaoMeow ^;;^

PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^ (RCTQ Queen of Kitties)
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about
their whiskers!
Visit my Photo albums at http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary

"Polly Esther" wrote in message
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Then again, there's this. We must not assume that the repairman is
qualified, having a good day and does a good job. A year or two ago, one
of my Berninas decided to toss a tiny spring out into my quilting. I
didn't know where it came from, what it did and apparently Miss Bernina
didn't care.
Eventually, we made a trip to civilization and took the Bernina in to
have the spring replaced wherever and for it to be cleaned and serviced.
The next day I had an upper thread create a terrible snarl. We had to
remove the side cover to the left of the thread uptake area to undo the
snarl . . . that area was not really exploding with fuzzies but it
certainly had not been cleaned.
Our youngest daughter's first sentence was, "Do it myself".
Yes. We know where that came from.
Polly


There you go! The case on my old machine came off in a few parts. I did it
myself. The NH seems to have more parts than a jigsaw puzzle making up it's
case. I would be afraid I'd never get it back together again.




"Marie Dodge" wrote in message
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"Tia Mary" wrote in message
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I have a Janome 9000 and the manual says not to oil it myself.
Apparently I'm supposed to take the machine in to be oiled.

Yes, this is what the man there told us. And when you bring them in it's
$69 for doing what woman have always been able to do themselves - clean,
oil and grease their machine. I was speechless! I always did my old
machine myself. We left the machine there to be "serviced" and for the
repairman to remove the bobbin stop or brake that fell down into the
machine. The rattling in the bobbin case was the wrong size bobbin.
Nothing else was wrong and the racer (?) area was clean.

Looks like
a way to get me to spend $$$ at the repair place -- LOL! Of course, my
machine is one of the embroidery machines with all the computer stuff
inside and there's no way to easily open her up AND no directions on
just what to oil if I did get 'er opened!! CiaoMeow ^;;^

PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^ (RCTQ Queen of Kitties)
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about
their whiskers!
Visit my Photo albums at http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary

Irene, so glad you're paying attention here. I was hoping you would
contribute to whether or not quilters were capable of cleaning and oiling
SMs. I don't have a clue what a pinion gear is. I don't even know how the
radio works. But . . . by golly I know that metal against metal needs oil
and I can identify and remove fuzzies. How I wish my sweetheart could see
you in action. He would be so proud of you. Polly


"IMS" wrote in message
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While computerized machines do require some expertise, the older
mechanical ones are very basic indeed...and if you understand how the
machine works (i.e. the needle, the hook, the thread, the tension in
relation to each other) you can make many repairs yourself.

After replacing the pinion gear on a little Elna Lotus it was badly
out of time...I retimed it myself and it came out perfect on the first
try, because I knew where the hook had to be in relation to the
needle.

-Irene


On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:16:58 -0600, "Marie Dodge"
wrote:

There you go! The case on my old machine came off in a few parts. I did
it
myself. The NH seems to have more parts than a jigsaw puzzle making up
it's
case. I would be afraid I'd never get it back together again.



"Marie Dodge" wrote in message
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"Tia Mary" wrote in message
...

I have a Janome 9000 and the manual says not to oil it myself.
Apparently I'm supposed to take the machine in to be oiled.

Yes, this is what the man there told us. And when you bring them in
it's
$69 for doing what woman have always been able to do themselves -
clean,
oil and grease their machine. I was speechless! I always did my old
machine myself. We left the machine there to be "serviced" and for the
repairman to remove the bobbin stop or brake that fell down into the
machine. The rattling in the bobbin case was the wrong size bobbin.
Nothing else was wrong and the racer (?) area was clean.

Looks like
a way to get me to spend $$$ at the repair place -- LOL! Of course,
my
machine is one of the embroidery machines with all the computer stuff
inside and there's no way to easily open her up AND no directions on
just what to oil if I did get 'er opened!! CiaoMeow ^;;^

PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^ (RCTQ Queen of Kitties)
Angels can't show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about
their whiskers!
Visit my Photo albums at http://community.webshots.com/user/tiamary

Polly Esther wrote:
Irene, so glad you're paying attention here. I was hoping you would
contribute to whether or not quilters were capable of cleaning and oiling
SMs. I don't have a clue what a pinion gear is. I don't even know how the
radio works. But . . . by golly I know that metal against metal needs oil
and I can identify and remove fuzzies. How I wish my sweetheart could see
you in action. He would be so proud of you. Polly

I was given a sewing machine last year: Singer 367 (70's low end cheap &
cheerful). It was seized solid. I rang my usual repair and service guy
who said: You know enough by now to get that thing working. I could do
it, but it would cost more than the machine is worth. Really, if YOU
can't do it, junk it as it won't be worth doing!

The hardest thing was getting the covers off it! Here is what happened:
http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co....singer_367.htm

I don't play with the innards of the electronic machines, nor do I
fiddle with the electric motors and foot pedals: Alan sorts those out
for me.
--
Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
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