Too much knitting going on here, and not enough spinning, so tell me

You know what I want, because you have seen it in your dreams too!

A fast, inexpensive spinning system.



I want to spin long staple, high luster yarns into firmly spun, multi-ply,
light worsted weight yarns (~1,000 yd/lb)

Questions
Is it true that with a Rio Grand style wool wheel, the spindle does not need
to stop prior to wind-on? Do you have to stop, or even reverse the spindle
to wind-on? As I sit here playing with a piece of yarn and a knitting
needle chucked into my drill, with a very quick hand motion, I do seem to be
able to go from spinning to wind-on without pausing the spindle. But that
is with a spindle speed of only 60 rpm, can I still do it at 300 or 500 rpm
or ??? rpm? Or, how fast as I can plan on spinning?

How may turns per inch do I need to put into a fine ply of a fiber like
Cotswold or Leicester?

What kind of spindle speed do I need to engineer to get a reasonable
spinning speed? That is, how fast a spindle speed can a good spinner, using
reasonably well combed top, work with? If I spin that fast, do I have to
slow down for wind-on?

How fast can a good spinner spin, assuming a spindle running at optimum
speed? Like yards per hour?

Can I ply/cable by standing the cones of yarn on end (in a rack), and then
using the spindle to ply them together? Or, do I have to transfer to bobbins
and set up a lazy kate?

Those of you that know me, can see the wheels going round in my head. I am
thinking of a electric powered spinning spindle. There is an electric motor
sitting on my work bench right now. It is a big old brute, but I just
cleaned and oiled it, and it runs, "As silent as a sleeping cat." I
would not mind sitting next to it for hours on end.

Aaron

On Apr 24, 7:52 am, wrote:
A fast, inexpensive spinning system.

You may find this thread interesting:
http://www.knittersreview.com/forum/...TOPIC_ID=35465

I know I've seen pictures of a system someone set up with their
electric drill mounted into a frame and a spindle attached to the
drill, but my quick google search didn't reveal what I was looking
for.

I often see homemade electric spinning wheels on NZ's Trademe auction
site (our version of eBay). People just connect a sewing machine motor
or similar to a flyer unit. Some have the luxury of a forward/reverse
switch, but many just require you to put a twist in the drive belt for
reverse drive.

VP

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:52:24 GMT, wrote:

You know what I want, because you have seen it in your dreams too!

A fast, inexpensive spinning system.

Drop spindle. Make one for a couple of bucks using bits and pieces
scavenged from your garage junk drawer


I want to spin long staple, high luster yarns into firmly spun, multi-ply,
light worsted weight yarns (~1,000 yd/lb)

I think you want to spin long luster WOOL into tight worsted yarn
*running away* Romney, BFL, several other breeds lend themselves well
to tight worsted-spun yarn.


Questions
Is it true that with a Rio Grand style wool wheel, the spindle does not need
to stop prior to wind-on?

True. It's also not designed for the production of worsted-spun yarn.

Do you have to stop, or even reverse the spindle
to wind-on?

No. It does take some practice to do, however. I was becoming quite
adept at non-stop spinning on the walking wheel but decided it was too
much work and sent it to live with someone else.

As I sit here playing with a piece of yarn and a knitting
needle chucked into my drill, with a very quick hand motion, I do seem to be
able to go from spinning to wind-on without pausing the spindle. But that
is with a spindle speed of only 60 rpm, can I still do it at 300 or 500 rpm
or ??? rpm? Or, how fast as I can plan on spinning?

How dextrous are you?

How may turns per inch do I need to put into a fine ply of a fiber like
Cotswold or Leicester?

That, my good man, is an oft-debated topic. Mabel Ross exhorts us to
put as many TPI in our yarn as there are crimps per inch in the
staples we're spinning. So does Peter Teal, IIRC.


What kind of spindle speed do I need to engineer to get a reasonable
spinning speed? That is, how fast a spindle speed can a good spinner, using
reasonably well combed top, work with? If I spin that fast, do I have to
slow down for wind-on?

A "reasonable" speed depends in large part on what you're spinning.
An accellerated wheel like a charkha will have a spindle speed has
high as 300rpm. A wool wheel (ie, a walking wheel) with a Minor's
head will spin at about 90rpm, maybe a bit faster.

BUT, spinning off a spindle is NOT the way to produce worsted-spun
yarn. True worsted is spun from well-prepared combed top which is
predrafted (dizzed) to a thickness that will allow the spinner to
*just spin* with no pre-drafting required. This means much more work
goes into prep than into spinning. Most of us who "spin worsted" use
combed tops - commercial or stuff we comb ourselves - do some dizzing,
then draft using the inchworm method: this keeps the fibers smoothly
aligned and tucks ends into the single as it twists up. Anything else
is semi-worsted at best.


How fast can a good spinner spin, assuming a spindle running at optimum
speed? Like yards per hour?

That's like asking how many miles a person can hike in a day: if
you're a couch potato the answer is "not much", if you're a hardbody
with mountain goat genes the answer is something else entirely. A
spinner spins as fast as s/he spins. It's largely dependant on what
you're spinning, how finely you're spinning it, how well you prepared
your fibers, and how fast your wheel runs. Froghair spun on an 8:1
wheel takes for-freaking ever, but the same fiber and same grist spun
on a 20:1 wheel goes ever-so-much faster - and for obvious reasons.

Can I ply/cable by standing the cones of yarn on end (in a rack), and then
using the spindle to ply them together? Or, do I have to transfer to bobbins
and set up a lazy kate?

One plies from the leader of a cop - that is, the starter yarn one
ties on to give the new stuff something to hold on to as it's being
spun out of thin air. You'll need to devise some method of keeping
your cops corralled.

But. You won't be spinning worsted if you spin off the tip. Just
remember I warned you


Those of you that know me, can see the wheels going round in my head. I am
thinking of a electric powered spinning spindle. There is an electric motor
sitting on my work bench right now. It is a big old brute, but I just
cleaned and oiled it, and it runs, "As silent as a sleeping cat." I
would not mind sitting next to it for hours on end.

Hook that up to an Ashford jumbo flyer, which you can outfit with any
number of whorls to jack the spinning speed. Use it for plying.

Get yourself a good fast flyer wheel for spinning. I can recommend
several.

In the meantime pick up a copy of _Spinning in the Old Way_ by
Priscilla Gibson-Roberts, and a copy of _Hand Woolcombing and
Spinning_ by Peater Teal. The former is a fast read, the latter not
so much. You might also want to get from your library _Alden Amos's
Big Book of Handspinning_. I don't cotton much to Amos's writing
style but it *is* a good resource.


Aaron

thanks!

AL
"Vintage Purls" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Apr 24, 7:52 am, wrote:
A fast, inexpensive spinning system.

You may find this thread interesting:
http://www.knittersreview.com/forum/...TOPIC_ID=35465

I know I've seen pictures of a system someone set up with their
electric drill mounted into a frame and a spindle attached to the
drill, but my quick google search didn't reveal what I was looking
for.

I often see homemade electric spinning wheels on NZ's Trademe auction
site (our version of eBay). People just connect a sewing machine motor
or similar to a flyer unit. Some have the luxury of a forward/reverse
switch, but many just require you to put a twist in the drive belt for
reverse drive.

VP

Thanks

Just as I went a bit off the deep end with knitting, until I tended to knit
a bit tighter than most, I fear I will also go off the deep end with
spinning, and maybe spin a bit too tight. One book I was reading was talking
about single with 24 tpi. I thought a 30 inch draw means 720 turns, so at 90
rpm that is more than 7 minutes per yard of single! But, if I do not have
to do a full 24 tpi, then this may not be as bad as I thought.

I was thinking of using a spindle because it allows spinning tighter.
However, as you point out, a wool wheel allows only one hand on the fiber,
and worsted requires at least 2 hands on the fiber. Keeping 2 hands on the
fiber would be my other reason for going electric. So that was the real
question, "Could I just let the spindle spin, and keep 2 hands on the wool?"
And, as I read below the answer is a good firm, "MAYBE!"

So anyway, for this first interaction, my biggest investment is some combed
top to play with. : D

There is guild meeting early next month, and their library has the books you
recommend.


Aaron

"WoolyGooly" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:52:24 GMT, wrote:

You know what I want, because you have seen it in your dreams too!

A fast, inexpensive spinning system.

Drop spindle. Make one for a couple of bucks using bits and pieces
scavenged from your garage junk drawer


I want to spin long staple, high luster yarns into firmly spun,
multi-ply,
light worsted weight yarns (~1,000 yd/lb)

I think you want to spin long luster WOOL into tight worsted yarn
*running away* Romney, BFL, several other breeds lend themselves well
to tight worsted-spun yarn.


Questions
Is it true that with a Rio Grand style wool wheel, the spindle does not
need
to stop prior to wind-on?

True. It's also not designed for the production of worsted-spun yarn.

Do you have to stop, or even reverse the spindle
to wind-on?

No. It does take some practice to do, however. I was becoming quite
adept at non-stop spinning on the walking wheel but decided it was too
much work and sent it to live with someone else.

As I sit here playing with a piece of yarn and a knitting
needle chucked into my drill, with a very quick hand motion, I do seem to
be
able to go from spinning to wind-on without pausing the spindle. But
that
is with a spindle speed of only 60 rpm, can I still do it at 300 or 500
rpm
or ??? rpm? Or, how fast as I can plan on spinning?

How dextrous are you?

How may turns per inch do I need to put into a fine ply of a fiber like
Cotswold or Leicester?

That, my good man, is an oft-debated topic. Mabel Ross exhorts us to
put as many TPI in our yarn as there are crimps per inch in the
staples we're spinning. So does Peter Teal, IIRC.


What kind of spindle speed do I need to engineer to get a reasonable
spinning speed? That is, how fast a spindle speed can a good spinner,
using
reasonably well combed top, work with? If I spin that fast, do I have to
slow down for wind-on?

A "reasonable" speed depends in large part on what you're spinning.
An accellerated wheel like a charkha will have a spindle speed has
high as 300rpm. A wool wheel (ie, a walking wheel) with a Minor's
head will spin at about 90rpm, maybe a bit faster.

BUT, spinning off a spindle is NOT the way to produce worsted-spun
yarn. True worsted is spun from well-prepared combed top which is
predrafted (dizzed) to a thickness that will allow the spinner to
*just spin* with no pre-drafting required. This means much more work
goes into prep than into spinning. Most of us who "spin worsted" use
combed tops - commercial or stuff we comb ourselves - do some dizzing,
then draft using the inchworm method: this keeps the fibers smoothly
aligned and tucks ends into the single as it twists up. Anything else
is semi-worsted at best.


How fast can a good spinner spin, assuming a spindle running at optimum
speed? Like yards per hour?

That's like asking how many miles a person can hike in a day: if
you're a couch potato the answer is "not much", if you're a hardbody
with mountain goat genes the answer is something else entirely. A
spinner spins as fast as s/he spins. It's largely dependant on what
you're spinning, how finely you're spinning it, how well you prepared
your fibers, and how fast your wheel runs. Froghair spun on an 8:1
wheel takes for-freaking ever, but the same fiber and same grist spun
on a 20:1 wheel goes ever-so-much faster - and for obvious reasons.

Can I ply/cable by standing the cones of yarn on end (in a rack), and
then
using the spindle to ply them together? Or, do I have to transfer to
bobbins
and set up a lazy kate?

One plies from the leader of a cop - that is, the starter yarn one
ties on to give the new stuff something to hold on to as it's being
spun out of thin air. You'll need to devise some method of keeping
your cops corralled.

But. You won't be spinning worsted if you spin off the tip. Just
remember I warned you


Those of you that know me, can see the wheels going round in my head. I
am
thinking of a electric powered spinning spindle. There is an electric
motor
sitting on my work bench right now. It is a big old brute, but I just
cleaned and oiled it, and it runs, "As silent as a sleeping cat." I
would not mind sitting next to it for hours on end.

Hook that up to an Ashford jumbo flyer, which you can outfit with any
number of whorls to jack the spinning speed. Use it for plying.

Get yourself a good fast flyer wheel for spinning. I can recommend
several.

In the meantime pick up a copy of _Spinning in the Old Way_ by
Priscilla Gibson-Roberts, and a copy of _Hand Woolcombing and
Spinning_ by Peater Teal. The former is a fast read, the latter not
so much. You might also want to get from your library _Alden Amos's
Big Book of Handspinning_. I don't cotton much to Amos's writing
style but it *is* a good resource.


Aaron

On Apr 23, 3:52 pm, wrote:
You know what I want, because you have seen it in your dreams too!

A fast, inexpensive spinning system.

I want to spin long staple, high luster yarns into firmly spun, multi-ply,
light worsted weight yarns (~1,000 yd/lb)

Questions
Is it true that with a Rio Grand style wool wheel, the spindle does not need
to stop prior to wind-on? Do you have to stop, or even reverse the spindle
to wind-on? As I sit here playing with a piece of yarn and a knitting
needle chucked into my drill, with a very quick hand motion, I do seem to be
able to go from spinning to wind-on without pausing the spindle. But that
is with a spindle speed of only 60 rpm, can I still do it at 300 or 500 rpm
or ??? rpm? Or, how fast as I can plan on spinning?

How may turns per inch do I need to put into a fine ply of a fiber like
Cotswold or Leicester?

What kind of spindle speed do I need to engineer to get a reasonable
spinning speed? That is, how fast a spindle speed can a good spinner, using
reasonably well combed top, work with? If I spin that fast, do I have to
slow down for wind-on?

How fast can a good spinner spin, assuming a spindle running at optimum
speed? Like yards per hour?

Can I ply/cable by standing the cones of yarn on end (in a rack), and then
using the spindle to ply them together? Or, do I have to transfer to bobbins
and set up a lazy kate?

Those of you that know me, can see the wheels going round in my head. I am
thinking of a electric powered spinning spindle. There is an electric motor
sitting on my work bench right now. It is a big old brute, but I just
cleaned and oiled it, and it runs, "As silent as a sleeping cat." I
would not mind sitting next to it for hours on end.

Aaron


An electric spinner with a WooLee Winder will do you better - the
bobbins are nice and big, and you don't have to stop to wind on - the
WW does that as you spin.