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Am I bitching?
Shouldn't there be some kind of rule wherein people who string beads
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:27:20 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry Frosty
wrote: Shouldn't there be some kind of rule wherein people who string beads wouldn't be allowed to call themslves "jewelers"? Yeah, you're bitching. And wrong too. You incorrectly assume that items made just with strung beads are not somehow jewelry, and thus their makers are not jewelers. But this is simply incorrect. From classic pearl necklaces, to things like the wonderful and costly bead necklace I saw in a local high line (very high line, I'd add) jewelry store, which was strung with various diamond beads and hanging briolettes, using platinum wires and jump rings and all that, beaded work can be jewelry, either at the beginning hobby level, all the way up to the very highest level of workmanship and complexity. To suggest that working with beads is somehow less valid, or less "jewelry", than what those of us who more aggressively work the metal make, is just plain incorrect. One might as well try to say that those who make silver jewelry aren't actually silversmiths, because the classic definition of that would be the sort of craftsperson who hammers silver into vessels and the like. Actually, that distinction might even be more valid than saying bead workers aren't jewelers. And besides, the term jeweler has long been applied to a wider range than just those who make jewelery. We makers often call ourselfs goldsmiths, platinumsmiths, or silversmiths, before we call yourselfs jewelers. That term is correct for us if we wish, but also used for the business man who owns a jewelery store and has never made anything with his own hands. And then, just whom are you suggesting should be doing this "allowing" or disallowing"? The jewelry police? Who dat? While it's true that people stringing beads on silk are not working metal much, nor are those stringing beads on wire with wire rings connecting, learning how to solder or forge metal, This does not in the slightest, make their work not jewelry, or automatically lesser in quality. To suggest otherwise is just being elitist. Something we don't really need in this field, or any other. My two cents (well, actually rather more, if you pay me by the word...) Peter |
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Frosty wrote:
Shouldn't there be some kind of rule wherein people who string beads wouldn't be allowed to call themslves "jewelers"? Only, if I were allowed to make the rules. :-) I'm sure Peter will come up with an answer to your post that is at least several paragraphs long. ;-) -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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Frosty wrote:
Shouldn't there be some kind of rule wherein people who string beads wouldn't be allowed to call themslves "jewelers"? Well Frosty I tend to agree with you though it is a form of jewelry making and is recognized as jewelry. the Beaders have their place. And their are some very ancient pieces of jewelry that are beads, pearls included, and am known to make a necklace or two. Over here the Beaders have their own circuit, with the seriaden fairs which are dominated by them. The Amsterdam art market they are not allowed,though art of many forms are allowed including jewelry of the smithing type is included and all work has to be done by the person selling it and nothing less than 10 Euros. A lot of hobbyist and they are always looking for hand made pendents for their beads so I really can not complain. The world of Jewelry is the same yet different than in the United states being an American married to a dutchy I know. and supplies are a lot cheaper there than here, as we have an automatic VAT (Value Added Tax) of 19% added to every thing. and most of the money goes to improving the quality of life, which is good, so I don't mind. and if any one every figures out the website promotion thing let me know I am interested, Allan Back to lurking great news group nice not to see the personal vendettas or junk postings. |
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On or about Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:38:54 GMT, an entity identified as
"Peter W.. Rowe," proudly proclaimed: On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:27:20 -0700, in rec.crafts.jewelry Frosty wrote: Shouldn't there be some kind of rule wherein people who string beads wouldn't be allowed to call themslves "jewelers"? Yeah, you're bitching. And wrong too. You incorrectly assume that items made just with strung beads are not somehow jewelry, and thus their makers are not jewelers. But this is simply incorrect. From classic pearl necklaces, to things like the wonderful and costly bead necklace I saw in a local high line (very high line, I'd add) jewelry store, which was strung with various diamond beads and hanging briolettes, using platinum wires and jump rings and all that, beaded work can be jewelry, either at the beginning hobby level, all the way up to the very highest level of workmanship and complexity. To suggest that working with beads is somehow less valid, or less "jewelry", than what those of us who more aggressively work the metal make, is just plain incorrect. One might as well try to say that those who make silver jewelry aren't actually silversmiths, because the classic definition of that would be the sort of craftsperson who hammers silver into vessels and the like. Actually, that distinction might even be more valid than saying bead workers aren't jewelers. And besides, the term jeweler has long been applied to a wider range than just those who make jewelery. We makers often call ourselfs goldsmiths, platinumsmiths, or silversmiths, before we call yourselfs jewelers. That term is correct for us if we wish, but also used for the business man who owns a jewelery store and has never made anything with his own hands. And then, just whom are you suggesting should be doing this "allowing" or disallowing"? The jewelry police? Who dat? While it's true that people stringing beads on silk are not working metal much, nor are those stringing beads on wire with wire rings connecting, learning how to solder or forge metal, This does not in the slightest, make their work not jewelry, or automatically lesser in quality. To suggest otherwise is just being elitist. Something we don't really need in this field, or any other. My two cents (well, actually rather more, if you pay me by the word...) Peter I stand corrected. (I can't very well sit down after *that* trip to the woodshed!) Frosty -- Anulos qui animum ostendunt omnes gestemus! |
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On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:27:36 +0000, Frosty wrote:
Shouldn't there be some kind of rule wherein people who string beads wouldn't be allowed to call themslves "jewelers"? Get some archeaology books and look at the earliest jewelry of almost any culture worldwide. Perhaps the stuff made by the big commercial jewelry firms are less likely to be real jewelry than a hand made beaded necklace. |
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You are correct, they should be called "alt.jewelers" ;} Will E.
"Frosty" wrote in message ... Shouldn't there be some kind of rule wherein people who string beads wouldn't be allowed to call themslves "jewelers"? |
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On or about Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:23:23 GMT, an entity identified as
Allan proudly proclaimed: Frosty wrote: Shouldn't there be some kind of rule wherein people who string beads wouldn't be allowed to call themslves "jewelers"? Well Frosty I tend to agree with you basking snip Allan Back to lurking great news group nice not to see the personal vendettas or junk postings. Thanks to our moderator! |
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On or about Thu, 20 Jul 2006 01:25:09 GMT, an entity identified as
mbstevens proudly proclaimed: On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:27:36 +0000, Frosty wrote: Shouldn't there be some kind of rule wherein people who string beads wouldn't be allowed to call themslves "jewelers"? Get some archeaology books and look at the earliest jewelry of almost any culture worldwide. Perhaps the stuff made by the big commercial jewelry firms are less likely to be real jewelry than a hand made beaded necklace. OK, ok, spanked I am! ;-) |
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Frosty wrote:
Shouldn't there be some kind of rule wherein people who string beads wouldn't be allowed to call themslves "jewelers"? Hi, Frosty. I bead, but I consider myself an amateur jeweler. I do it mostly for myself, but if I even thought my bead work would/could sell, you can bet I'd be out there marketing myself. I came to this late in life and I wish I had initially given into my yearnings to be a full fledged jeweler/artist...as in owning my own studio and doing what say others and Abrasha do in this group. Instead, I followed the academic party line my family insisted that all their progeny pursue. I've fallen into the stuffy office job rank - making video games. It can be exciting, but it still isn't what I want to do. Who knew my BA and Masters in International Relations would take me there?! Laura Gibson's work (www.lauragibson.com) is a lot of beading and she's made up quite a strong business for herself. I see you've been given the kind but firm beating from Peter. I see others have posted as well. I am late, but I just had to put in my $.02. -Sparkle- |
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