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Evil spirits in my sewing machine continue and escalating! Long post.
I have gone from falling needles to breaking and shredding the upper
thread. grrrrrr!!! (Naughty machine is a Janome 4800 QC if that matters...) I started this quilt (the blue and yellow log cabin with fused applique) about 4 or 5 years ago, so I don't really remember what I used for the fusible- I assume it's Heat and Bond Light as that's what I've used almost exclusively in the past with good results. I also started the buttonhole stitching with good ol' Coats & Clark thead- not knowing as much about theads back then as I do now. So..... I buttonhole stitched all the applique on the first one-quarter section of the quilt top with little to no troubles other than the needle falling out periodically. Now, on the second quarter section of the quilt, the thread is shredding- you know how that goes.... you sew along and all of a sudden the thread breaks and you find a big blurb of thread somewhere before the needle in the threading pattern of the machine with a skinny little bit of the center of the thread hanging below the blurb. The blurb appears and breaks the thread every 1/2 in. to 2 inches of buttonhole stitching. I have tried to stop and re- thread the machine before the blurb gets formed and thread breaks- it's also making VERY sloppy stitches just before it breaks. Sewing *very* slowly also seems to make the blurb/shredding take a bit longer to form. It's making me crazy sewing like this!!! I have: Used various type needles- embroidery, sharps, quilting, universals and both Schmetz and Singer brand names and even tried a top stitching needle thinking the larger hole in the fabric made by the topstitching needle would treat the thread more gently. Didn't work. Tried skipping the thread guides- both the one right above the needle and the one before that- the one after the upsy-downsy arm. Skipping either or both didn't help. The blurb forms somewhere in this area but it's hard to pinpoint exactly where. Loosening the upper tension- the thread shreds a little less often, but is still breaking every 1 in. to 3 inches of buttonhole stitching. Thought maybe I had a bad spool of thread so I tried another spool of the C&C gold thread. It still broke. Then I used the exact same gold thread (used some of each of the two gold thread spools) and pieced five 16X20 in. PFP blocks. The thread didn't break or shred at all in all that PFP straight stitching with lots of seams that overlap with many thicknesses. What do I try next? I'm pretty sure it's the fusible that's causing the thread troubles, but all the applique is already bonded to the quilt top and I'm stuck with finishing with the Coats & Clark thread since that's what I started with. I can't change the fusible, so I have to find another way to attack this problem. HELP!!!!! Leslie (about to start yanking my hair out!) & The Running-For-Cover Furbabies in MO. |
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Evil spirits in my sewing machine continue and escalating! Long post.
Send me a couple of FQs and I'll send you some sage from my garden. You will
need to do an elaborate ceremony followed by the burning of the sage, all in your birthday suit! Of course if you do not want to do it, you can send me a couple of dozen FQs and I'll do the elaborate ceremony. I'll make sure it's a full moon too! Really sorry to read about your sewing woes. There's nothing more frustrating than not being able to do what you set out to do. Don't yank your hair out, it makes the evil spirits think they've got you. Good luck! -- Carole Champlain, NY http://photos.yahoo.com/ceridwen_rhea http://360.yahoo.com/ceridwen_rhea "Leslie & The Furbabies in MO." wrote in message ups.com... I have gone from falling needles to breaking and shredding the upper thread. grrrrrr!!! (Naughty machine is a Janome 4800 QC if that matters...) I started this quilt (the blue and yellow log cabin with fused applique) about 4 or 5 years ago, so I don't really remember what I used for the fusible- I assume it's Heat and Bond Light as that's what I've used almost exclusively in the past with good results. I also started the buttonhole stitching with good ol' Coats & Clark thead- not knowing as much about theads back then as I do now. So..... I buttonhole stitched all the applique on the first one-quarter section of the quilt top with little to no troubles other than the needle falling out periodically. Now, on the second quarter section of the quilt, the thread is shredding- you know how that goes.... you sew along and all of a sudden the thread breaks and you find a big blurb of thread somewhere before the needle in the threading pattern of the machine with a skinny little bit of the center of the thread hanging below the blurb. The blurb appears and breaks the thread every 1/2 in. to 2 inches of buttonhole stitching. I have tried to stop and re- thread the machine before the blurb gets formed and thread breaks- it's also making VERY sloppy stitches just before it breaks. Sewing *very* slowly also seems to make the blurb/shredding take a bit longer to form. It's making me crazy sewing like this!!! I have: Used various type needles- embroidery, sharps, quilting, universals and both Schmetz and Singer brand names and even tried a top stitching needle thinking the larger hole in the fabric made by the topstitching needle would treat the thread more gently. Didn't work. Tried skipping the thread guides- both the one right above the needle and the one before that- the one after the upsy-downsy arm. Skipping either or both didn't help. The blurb forms somewhere in this area but it's hard to pinpoint exactly where. Loosening the upper tension- the thread shreds a little less often, but is still breaking every 1 in. to 3 inches of buttonhole stitching. Thought maybe I had a bad spool of thread so I tried another spool of the C&C gold thread. It still broke. Then I used the exact same gold thread (used some of each of the two gold thread spools) and pieced five 16X20 in. PFP blocks. The thread didn't break or shred at all in all that PFP straight stitching with lots of seams that overlap with many thicknesses. What do I try next? I'm pretty sure it's the fusible that's causing the thread troubles, but all the applique is already bonded to the quilt top and I'm stuck with finishing with the Coats & Clark thread since that's what I started with. I can't change the fusible, so I have to find another way to attack this problem. HELP!!!!! Leslie (about to start yanking my hair out!) & The Running-For-Cover Furbabies in MO. |
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Evil spirits in my sewing machine continue and escalating! Long post.
I'll spare you my thoughts on the Janome 4800. I know the rest of you
love them, and I'm in the minority... but I think evil is just the beginning of the description. As for the thread, if you can get you hands on some silicone spray, that helps some you can either spray the fabric, or the thread or both. I don't use it because of DD, but I know plenty that do and swear by it. Some even buy it by the gallons and soak their thread in it. http://columbiariverquilting.com/sul...one_spray.html or http://www.kmquiltingsupply.com/Part...s.asp#Silicone will give you a starting place. You didn't say if you took a look at the bobbin and the bobbin thread tension... but I'm assuming you did that. If all else fails, look at the hunky Mr. C and declare road trip to Jan's house! I've got a few machines we could play with and 3 briskets with good gravy in the crockpot ;-) Jan RCTQ Coffee Diva On Feb 8, 1:37 pm, "Leslie & The Furbabies in MO." wrote: I have gone from falling needles to breaking and shredding the upper thread. grrrrrr!!! (Naughty machine is a Janome 4800 QC if that matters...) I started this quilt (the blue and yellow log cabin with fused applique) about 4 or 5 years ago, so I don't really remember what I used for the fusible- I assume it's Heat and Bond Light as that's what I've used almost exclusively in the past with good results. I also started the buttonhole stitching with good ol' Coats & Clark thead- not knowing as much about theads back then as I do now. So..... I buttonhole stitched all the applique on the first one-quarter section of the quilt top with little to no troubles other than the needle falling out periodically. Now, on the second quarter section of the quilt, the thread is shredding- you know how that goes.... you sew along and all of a sudden the thread breaks and you find a big blurb of thread somewhere before the needle in the threading pattern of the machine with a skinny little bit of the center of the thread hanging below the blurb. The blurb appears and breaks the thread every 1/2 in. to 2 inches of buttonhole stitching. I have tried to stop and re- thread the machine before the blurb gets formed and thread breaks- it's also making VERY sloppy stitches just before it breaks. Sewing *very* slowly also seems to make the blurb/shredding take a bit longer to form. It's making me crazy sewing like this!!! I have: Used various type needles- embroidery, sharps, quilting, universals and both Schmetz and Singer brand names and even tried a top stitching needle thinking the larger hole in the fabric made by the topstitching needle would treat the thread more gently. Didn't work. Tried skipping the thread guides- both the one right above the needle and the one before that- the one after the upsy-downsy arm. Skipping either or both didn't help. The blurb forms somewhere in this area but it's hard to pinpoint exactly where. Loosening the upper tension- the thread shreds a little less often, but is still breaking every 1 in. to 3 inches of buttonhole stitching. Thought maybe I had a bad spool of thread so I tried another spool of the C&C gold thread. It still broke. Then I used the exact same gold thread (used some of each of the two gold thread spools) and pieced five 16X20 in. PFP blocks. The thread didn't break or shred at all in all that PFP straight stitching with lots of seams that overlap with many thicknesses. What do I try next? I'm pretty sure it's the fusible that's causing the thread troubles, but all the applique is already bonded to the quilt top and I'm stuck with finishing with the Coats & Clark thread since that's what I started with. I can't change the fusible, so I have to find another way to attack this problem. HELP!!!!! Leslie (about to start yanking my hair out!) & The Running-For-Cover Furbabies in MO. |
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Evil spirits in my sewing machine continue and escalating! Long post.
Well, Leslie, for sure you need help so I searched for a flaw in your
problem solving. What if you did change thread? Would another one work better? The quilt on my bed - a very old-timey butterfly pattern with heaps of blanket stitch - has at least two different threads. Some wings and antennae are done by hand. When I realized that the project would last longer than my estimated life span, I swapped over to the SM. I expect the Quilt Police at Paducah would be upset but very few of them come by to spend the night. That quilt is about 6 years old and thus far, nobody's noticed. If you can bear to, do try another thread. Maybe some of that sweet and agreeable Kinkamee? And do try running a bead of the silicone 'All-Purpose Sewer's Aid' by Prym-Dritz down your spool as well as on the beginning of the thread end as you thread up the SM. Hang in there. We care. Polly (my list of very satisfactory swear words and appropriate elements for hissy fits available upon request) |
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Evil spirits in my sewing machine continue and escalating! Longpost.
I like heat and bond light also but got ahold of some of the 'not lite'
variety a few years ago. The project was a nightmare. That could be the cause of some of your trouble. I would suggest changing thread. NObody will know but you. I would guess you might have a different problem though. I am wondering if the needle flopping around might have knocked your machine out of time. Just enough to cause a problem. I would try the buttonhole stitches with different thread on different fabric (with new fusible) and see if things go right. If not you might want to have your machine looked at. (don't go to Jan's dealer though) I find my fine hair thinner than it used to be. I have given up pulling it out or I will end up looking like my dh! I would suggest eating chocolate as a stress reducer. You sure someone isn't trying to get the message across that is is time to get a new machine. (am I an enabler or what?) Let us know how you do. TAria Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. wrote: I have gone from falling needles to breaking and shredding the upper thread. grrrrrr!!! (Naughty machine is a Janome 4800 QC if that matters...) I started this quilt (the blue and yellow log cabin with fused applique) about 4 or 5 years ago, so I don't really remember what I used for the fusible- I assume it's Heat and Bond Light as that's what I've used almost exclusively in the past with good results. I also started the buttonhole stitching with good ol' Coats & Clark thead- not knowing as much about theads back then as I do now. So..... I buttonhole stitched all the applique on the first one-quarter section of the quilt top with little to no troubles other than the needle falling out periodically. Now, on the second quarter section of the quilt, the thread is shredding- you know how that goes.... you sew along and all of a sudden the thread breaks and you find a big blurb of thread somewhere before the needle in the threading pattern of the machine with a skinny little bit of the center of the thread hanging below the blurb. The blurb appears and breaks the thread every 1/2 in. to 2 inches of buttonhole stitching. I have tried to stop and re- thread the machine before the blurb gets formed and thread breaks- it's also making VERY sloppy stitches just before it breaks. Sewing *very* slowly also seems to make the blurb/shredding take a bit longer to form. It's making me crazy sewing like this!!! I have: Used various type needles- embroidery, sharps, quilting, universals and both Schmetz and Singer brand names and even tried a top stitching needle thinking the larger hole in the fabric made by the topstitching needle would treat the thread more gently. Didn't work. Tried skipping the thread guides- both the one right above the needle and the one before that- the one after the upsy-downsy arm. Skipping either or both didn't help. The blurb forms somewhere in this area but it's hard to pinpoint exactly where. Loosening the upper tension- the thread shreds a little less often, but is still breaking every 1 in. to 3 inches of buttonhole stitching. Thought maybe I had a bad spool of thread so I tried another spool of the C&C gold thread. It still broke. Then I used the exact same gold thread (used some of each of the two gold thread spools) and pieced five 16X20 in. PFP blocks. The thread didn't break or shred at all in all that PFP straight stitching with lots of seams that overlap with many thicknesses. What do I try next? I'm pretty sure it's the fusible that's causing the thread troubles, but all the applique is already bonded to the quilt top and I'm stuck with finishing with the Coats & Clark thread since that's what I started with. I can't change the fusible, so I have to find another way to attack this problem. HELP!!!!! Leslie (about to start yanking my hair out!) & The Running-For-Cover Furbabies in MO. |
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Evil spirits in my sewing machine continue and escalating! Long post.
I had my Janome in and out of the shop until I was about ready to throw it.
We then discovered that the light weight thread I was using was popping of the up and down thingie, causing the thread to fray, break and drive me nuts. I thought I had checked, but I guess I hadn't. Anyway, if it happens again, I am to rethread, top and bottom, and continue. I have hidden the light weight thread I was using and would you believe, it hasn't broken, not once! I love my Janome and am glad to have discovered it was a user error, not machine error. -- Boca Jan Florida - Land of the Hurricanes http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/poo_de_doo/myphotos "Leslie & The Furbabies in MO." wrote in message ups.com... I have gone from falling needles to breaking and shredding the upper thread. grrrrrr!!! (Naughty machine is a Janome 4800 QC if that matters...) I started this quilt (the blue and yellow log cabin with fused applique) about 4 or 5 years ago, so I don't really remember what I used for the fusible- I assume it's Heat and Bond Light as that's what I've used almost exclusively in the past with good results. I also started the buttonhole stitching with good ol' Coats & Clark thead- not knowing as much about theads back then as I do now. So..... I buttonhole stitched all the applique on the first one-quarter section of the quilt top with little to no troubles other than the needle falling out periodically. Now, on the second quarter section of the quilt, the thread is shredding- you know how that goes.... you sew along and all of a sudden the thread breaks and you find a big blurb of thread somewhere before the needle in the threading pattern of the machine with a skinny little bit of the center of the thread hanging below the blurb. The blurb appears and breaks the thread every 1/2 in. to 2 inches of buttonhole stitching. I have tried to stop and re- thread the machine before the blurb gets formed and thread breaks- it's also making VERY sloppy stitches just before it breaks. Sewing *very* slowly also seems to make the blurb/shredding take a bit longer to form. It's making me crazy sewing like this!!! I have: Used various type needles- embroidery, sharps, quilting, universals and both Schmetz and Singer brand names and even tried a top stitching needle thinking the larger hole in the fabric made by the topstitching needle would treat the thread more gently. Didn't work. Tried skipping the thread guides- both the one right above the needle and the one before that- the one after the upsy-downsy arm. Skipping either or both didn't help. The blurb forms somewhere in this area but it's hard to pinpoint exactly where. Loosening the upper tension- the thread shreds a little less often, but is still breaking every 1 in. to 3 inches of buttonhole stitching. Thought maybe I had a bad spool of thread so I tried another spool of the C&C gold thread. It still broke. Then I used the exact same gold thread (used some of each of the two gold thread spools) and pieced five 16X20 in. PFP blocks. The thread didn't break or shred at all in all that PFP straight stitching with lots of seams that overlap with many thicknesses. What do I try next? I'm pretty sure it's the fusible that's causing the thread troubles, but all the applique is already bonded to the quilt top and I'm stuck with finishing with the Coats & Clark thread since that's what I started with. I can't change the fusible, so I have to find another way to attack this problem. HELP!!!!! Leslie (about to start yanking my hair out!) & The Running-For-Cover Furbabies in MO. |
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Evil spirits in my sewing machine continue and escalating! Long post.
I know terribly little about this sort of thing Leslie - I mostly sew
very slowly, so I suppose I might avoid some of the problems? However, some time ago Pat in VA post about a website that gave information about matching threads and needles (and various other useful things). I am wondering if it could be the *size of your needle that is mis-matched with the thread weight? eg if too big, might cause *more friction? Too small might do the same. I know there are best/perfect combinations, but I wouldn't know where to find the info. I'm afraid that's a bit of a dead loss and little help to you, unless you kept that site of Pat's saved somewhere? It might be just a tiny thought of help? .. In message . com, Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. writes I have gone from falling needles to breaking and shredding the upper thread. grrrrrr!!! (Naughty machine is a Janome 4800 QC if that matters...) I started this quilt (the blue and yellow log cabin with fused applique) about 4 or 5 years ago, so I don't really remember what I used for the fusible- I assume it's Heat and Bond Light as that's what I've used almost exclusively in the past with good results. I also started the buttonhole stitching with good ol' Coats & Clark thead- not knowing as much about theads back then as I do now. So..... I buttonhole stitched all the applique on the first one-quarter section of the quilt top with little to no troubles other than the needle falling out periodically. Now, on the second quarter section of the quilt, the thread is shredding- you know how that goes.... you sew along and all of a sudden the thread breaks and you find a big blurb of thread somewhere before the needle in the threading pattern of the machine with a skinny little bit of the center of the thread hanging below the blurb. The blurb appears and breaks the thread every 1/2 in. to 2 inches of buttonhole stitching. I have tried to stop and re- thread the machine before the blurb gets formed and thread breaks- it's also making VERY sloppy stitches just before it breaks. Sewing *very* slowly also seems to make the blurb/shredding take a bit longer to form. It's making me crazy sewing like this!!! I have: Used various type needles- embroidery, sharps, quilting, universals and both Schmetz and Singer brand names and even tried a top stitching needle thinking the larger hole in the fabric made by the topstitching needle would treat the thread more gently. Didn't work. Tried skipping the thread guides- both the one right above the needle and the one before that- the one after the upsy-downsy arm. Skipping either or both didn't help. The blurb forms somewhere in this area but it's hard to pinpoint exactly where. Loosening the upper tension- the thread shreds a little less often, but is still breaking every 1 in. to 3 inches of buttonhole stitching. Thought maybe I had a bad spool of thread so I tried another spool of the C&C gold thread. It still broke. Then I used the exact same gold thread (used some of each of the two gold thread spools) and pieced five 16X20 in. PFP blocks. The thread didn't break or shred at all in all that PFP straight stitching with lots of seams that overlap with many thicknesses. What do I try next? I'm pretty sure it's the fusible that's causing the thread troubles, but all the applique is already bonded to the quilt top and I'm stuck with finishing with the Coats & Clark thread since that's what I started with. I can't change the fusible, so I have to find another way to attack this problem. HELP!!!!! Leslie (about to start yanking my hair out!) & The Running-For-Cover Furbabies in MO. -- Best Regards pat on the hill |
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Evil spirits in my sewing machine continue and escalating! Long post.
On Feb 8, 2:37 pm, "Leslie & The Furbabies in MO."
wrote: I have gone from falling needles to breaking and shredding the upper thread. grrrrrr!!! (Naughty machine is a Janome 4800 QC if that matters...) I started this quilt (the blue and yellow log cabin with fused applique) about 4 or 5 years ago, so I don't really remember what I used for the fusible- I assume it's Heat and Bond Light as that's what I've used almost exclusively in the past with good results. I also started the buttonhole stitching with good ol' Coats & Clark thead- not knowing as much about theads back then as I do now. So..... I buttonhole stitched all the applique on the first one-quarter section of the quilt top with little to no troubles other than the needle falling out periodically. Now, on the second quarter section of the quilt, the thread is shredding- you know how that goes.... you sew along and all of a sudden the thread breaks and you find a big blurb of thread somewhere before the needle in the threading pattern of the machine with a skinny little bit of the center of the thread hanging below the blurb. The blurb appears and breaks the thread every 1/2 in. to 2 inches of buttonhole stitching. I have tried to stop and re- thread the machine before the blurb gets formed and thread breaks- it's also making VERY sloppy stitches just before it breaks. Sewing *very* slowly also seems to make the blurb/shredding take a bit longer to form. It's making me crazy sewing like this!!! I have: Used various type needles- embroidery, sharps, quilting, universals and both Schmetz and Singer brand names and even tried a top stitching needle thinking the larger hole in the fabric made by the topstitching needle would treat the thread more gently. Didn't work. Tried skipping the thread guides- both the one right above the needle and the one before that- the one after the upsy-downsy arm. Skipping either or both didn't help. The blurb forms somewhere in this area but it's hard to pinpoint exactly where. Loosening the upper tension- the thread shreds a little less often, but is still breaking every 1 in. to 3 inches of buttonhole stitching. Thought maybe I had a bad spool of thread so I tried another spool of the C&C gold thread. It still broke. Then I used the exact same gold thread (used some of each of the two gold thread spools) and pieced five 16X20 in. PFP blocks. The thread didn't break or shred at all in all that PFP straight stitching with lots of seams that overlap with many thicknesses. What do I try next? I'm pretty sure it's the fusible that's causing the thread troubles, but all the applique is already bonded to the quilt top and I'm stuck with finishing with the Coats & Clark thread since that's what I started with. I can't change the fusible, so I have to find another way to attack this problem. HELP!!!!! Leslie (about to start yanking my hair out!) & The Running-For-Cover Furbabies in MO. My experience is not that extensive as to quilting, but clothing construction for many years past is, and the only time I had trouble with various Janome machines ( which I liked and continue to like), related to upper thread tension because of either to much friction in the pathway that the thread goes through to get to the sewing point, or thread tension. You say you can (almost) get it to stop happening if you change tension. That should direct you to look at the upper thread pathway /tensioning system and I would bet you would find the solution. Try to clean out all the pathways that the thread goes through. Floss them clean and look for stray threads that have become caught in whatever opening is there, and eliminate that obstruction. If that doesn't help. Clean under the needle plate and remove any crud that you find there. Sometimes, these things are as simple as rethreading the machine, which I am sure you have done. The last thing is to take it to somebody who is familiar with servicing Janome machines. Unless there has been a mechanical failure, I would bet it is a cleaning or threading issue. Good luck. John |
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Evil spirits in my sewing machine continue and escalating! Long post.
I want to join the enabling committee. Take the quilt and the thread a
dealer who sells the SM that is your object of lust. See if it can do any better. =) Polly |
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Evil spirits in my sewing machine continue and escalating! Longpost.
You should have listened to me.
Wendy Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. wrote: I have gone from falling needles to breaking and shredding the upper thread. grrrrrr!!! (Naughty machine is a Janome 4800 QC if that matters...) I started this quilt (the blue and yellow log cabin with fused applique) about 4 or 5 years ago, so I don't really remember what I used for the fusible- I assume it's Heat and Bond Light as that's what I've used almost exclusively in the past with good results. I also started the buttonhole stitching with good ol' Coats & Clark thead- not knowing as much about theads back then as I do now. So..... I buttonhole stitched all the applique on the first one-quarter section of the quilt top with little to no troubles other than the needle falling out periodically. Now, on the second quarter section of the quilt, the thread is shredding- you know how that goes.... you sew along and all of a sudden the thread breaks and you find a big blurb of thread somewhere before the needle in the threading pattern of the machine with a skinny little bit of the center of the thread hanging below the blurb. The blurb appears and breaks the thread every 1/2 in. to 2 inches of buttonhole stitching. I have tried to stop and re- thread the machine before the blurb gets formed and thread breaks- it's also making VERY sloppy stitches just before it breaks. Sewing *very* slowly also seems to make the blurb/shredding take a bit longer to form. It's making me crazy sewing like this!!! I have: Used various type needles- embroidery, sharps, quilting, universals and both Schmetz and Singer brand names and even tried a top stitching needle thinking the larger hole in the fabric made by the topstitching needle would treat the thread more gently. Didn't work. Tried skipping the thread guides- both the one right above the needle and the one before that- the one after the upsy-downsy arm. Skipping either or both didn't help. The blurb forms somewhere in this area but it's hard to pinpoint exactly where. Loosening the upper tension- the thread shreds a little less often, but is still breaking every 1 in. to 3 inches of buttonhole stitching. Thought maybe I had a bad spool of thread so I tried another spool of the C&C gold thread. It still broke. Then I used the exact same gold thread (used some of each of the two gold thread spools) and pieced five 16X20 in. PFP blocks. The thread didn't break or shred at all in all that PFP straight stitching with lots of seams that overlap with many thicknesses. What do I try next? I'm pretty sure it's the fusible that's causing the thread troubles, but all the applique is already bonded to the quilt top and I'm stuck with finishing with the Coats & Clark thread since that's what I started with. I can't change the fusible, so I have to find another way to attack this problem. HELP!!!!! Leslie (about to start yanking my hair out!) & The Running-For-Cover Furbabies in MO. |
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