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Shana Tova - Happy New Jewish Year 5767
Karen C - California wrote:
Dr. Brat wrote: what amazes me is the speed with which some people manage to shift the terms of a discussion as soon as someone says something different than what they said. I didn't see cost or feeding volunteers in the original post, just recipe doctoring. I said "I have regularly had people beg for my brownie recipe and refuse to believe that it's the 99c Safeway house brand mix." I did not say WHAT people, or for WHAT purpose I was baking the cheap brownies, only that they taste better with more water than the box calls for. You apparently read into that, that the only way that I bake brownies is from a 99c mix, because you countered "Or you can bake from scratch and really have something good. The cake on the back of the Hershey's cocoa can doesn't take any more time than a boxed cake mix and is a zillion times better." Funny, I don't see where the above says that I think the only way you bake is from a mix. Why would you assume that's what I meant? I never said that this is the only way I bake brownies. I never said that I don't make them from scratch. I never said that I thought scratch baking takes more time. You felt the need to criticize not baking from scratch, without bothering with accurate facts (like that I have posted a very involved, very expensive scratch recipe here in the past that proves it was unnecessary for you to suggest that my only goal was getting brownies made as quickly as possible). First, I don't read every thing you post, so I see no reason why you would assume that I saw your brownie recipe. Second, you're still setting up a false dichoctomy, implying that baking from scratch has to be expensive. But yes, you are correct that I much prefer scratch baking over using a mix. You assumed facts not in evidence, and then got annoyed when I pointed out your assumption was wrong by filling in facts that were unnecessary to the original comment, in order to correct your false assumption that I think a mix is as good as scratch. I didn't assume facts not in evidence. I responded to what was in front of me. I know perfectly well -- as does almost everyone else here -- that if you want something really good, you bake from scratch. There was no need to point that out in a discussion that centered on *doctoring* recipes, unless you were going to tell us HOW you doctor the recipe on the Hershey's can. Which you didn't, so the only reasonable interpretation of that comment was that you were criticizing the use of a mix for any reason, instead of constructively contributing to the discussion of how recipes can be doctored. If this were the only time you ever shifted the terms of a discussion in order to "win the argument" I would have no problem with it, but the fact is that you do it all the time and it gets to be annoying after a while. So I called you on it. I'm still waiting to hear what church it is you go to that doesn't have women ministers and what school you attended that had heated sidewalks, by the way. Elizabeth -- *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* |
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Shana Tova - Happy New Jewish Year 5767
Cheryl Isaak wrote:
Actually, I still like the Jiffy mix corn muffins better than just about any other method, including scratch, non-sweet ones. Cheryl I agree completely. It doesn't hurt that the Jiffy mix is dirt cheap, either. grin -- --Mickey Edmonton, AB to reply: mickey18385 at yahoo dot com |
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Shana Tova - Happy New Jewish Year 5767
On 9/24/06 6:18 PM, in article TuDRg.20864$5R2.7436@pd7urf3no, "mickey"
wrote: Cheryl Isaak wrote: Actually, I still like the Jiffy mix corn muffins better than just about any other method, including scratch, non-sweet ones. Cheryl I agree completely. It doesn't hurt that the Jiffy mix is dirt cheap, either. grin True, true! Though it is harder to find the whole range these days! Cheryl |
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Shana Tova - Happy New Jewish Year 5767
Dr. Brat wrote: Karen C - California wrote: Dr. Brat wrote: what amazes me is the speed with which some people manage to shift the terms of a discussion as soon as someone says something different than what they said. I didn't see cost or feeding volunteers in the original post, just recipe doctoring. I said "I have regularly had people beg for my brownie recipe and refuse to believe that it's the 99c Safeway house brand mix." I did not say WHAT people, or for WHAT purpose I was baking the cheap brownies, only that they taste better with more water than the box calls for. You apparently read into that, that the only way that I bake brownies is from a 99c mix, because you countered "Or you can bake from scratch and really have something good. The cake on the back of the Hershey's cocoa can doesn't take any more time than a boxed cake mix and is a zillion times better." Funny, I don't see where the above says that I think the only way you bake is from a mix. Why would you assume that's what I meant? I never said that this is the only way I bake brownies. I never said that I don't make them from scratch. I never said that I thought scratch baking takes more time. You felt the need to criticize not baking from scratch, without bothering with accurate facts (like that I have posted a very involved, very expensive scratch recipe here in the past that proves it was unnecessary for you to suggest that my only goal was getting brownies made as quickly as possible). First, I don't read every thing you post, so I see no reason why you would assume that I saw your brownie recipe. Second, you're still setting up a false dichoctomy, implying that baking from scratch has to be expensive. But yes, you are correct that I much prefer scratch baking over using a mix. You assumed facts not in evidence, and then got annoyed when I pointed out your assumption was wrong by filling in facts that were unnecessary to the original comment, in order to correct your false assumption that I think a mix is as good as scratch. I didn't assume facts not in evidence. I responded to what was in front of me. I know perfectly well -- as does almost everyone else here -- that if you want something really good, you bake from scratch. There was no need to point that out in a discussion that centered on *doctoring* recipes, unless you were going to tell us HOW you doctor the recipe on the Hershey's can. Which you didn't, so the only reasonable interpretation of that comment was that you were criticizing the use of a mix for any reason, instead of constructively contributing to the discussion of how recipes can be doctored. If this were the only time you ever shifted the terms of a discussion in order to "win the argument" I would have no problem with it, but the fact is that you do it all the time and it gets to be annoying after a while. So I called you on it. I'm still waiting to hear what church it is you go to that doesn't have women ministers and what school you attended that had heated sidewalks, by the way. Elizabeth -- *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* You know.....I've said similar things in the past, about her inability to respond when asked for specifics, her tendency to shift discussions into arguments where she becomes the victim (Poor Karen getting picked on yet again, and having to prove she's right and others bully her), and the conflicting stories she comes up with. The one that stands out the most here is that she is too disabled to work outside the house, yet has the energy to run to the grocery store, bake and deliver brownies daily. I find this one highly irritating currently because I have had a migraine since June 1st. I mean it's constant and daily. I have missed 3 days of work because of it, two because a doctor tried to break it by keeping me more or less asleep for two solid days. One of my higher ups keeps urging me to consider disability, because my pain is obvious to everybody, and I won't. One other thing I have found fascinating about this thread...Sheena did not jump in to defend "Poor Karen" as she would have the moment I said anything like what Elizabeth said. Caryn |
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Shana Tova - Happy New Jewish Year 5767
wrote in message oups.com... Dr. Brat wrote: Karen C - California wrote: Dr. Brat wrote: what amazes me is the speed with which some people manage to shift the terms of a discussion as soon as someone says something different than what they said. I didn't see cost or feeding volunteers in the original post, just recipe doctoring. I said "I have regularly had people beg for my brownie recipe and refuse to believe that it's the 99c Safeway house brand mix." I did not say WHAT people, or for WHAT purpose I was baking the cheap brownies, only that they taste better with more water than the box calls for. You apparently read into that, that the only way that I bake brownies is from a 99c mix, because you countered "Or you can bake from scratch and really have something good. The cake on the back of the Hershey's cocoa can doesn't take any more time than a boxed cake mix and is a zillion times better." Funny, I don't see where the above says that I think the only way you bake is from a mix. Why would you assume that's what I meant? I never said that this is the only way I bake brownies. I never said that I don't make them from scratch. I never said that I thought scratch baking takes more time. You felt the need to criticize not baking from scratch, without bothering with accurate facts (like that I have posted a very involved, very expensive scratch recipe here in the past that proves it was unnecessary for you to suggest that my only goal was getting brownies made as quickly as possible). First, I don't read every thing you post, so I see no reason why you would assume that I saw your brownie recipe. Second, you're still setting up a false dichoctomy, implying that baking from scratch has to be expensive. But yes, you are correct that I much prefer scratch baking over using a mix. You assumed facts not in evidence, and then got annoyed when I pointed out your assumption was wrong by filling in facts that were unnecessary to the original comment, in order to correct your false assumption that I think a mix is as good as scratch. I didn't assume facts not in evidence. I responded to what was in front of me. I know perfectly well -- as does almost everyone else here -- that if you want something really good, you bake from scratch. There was no need to point that out in a discussion that centered on *doctoring* recipes, unless you were going to tell us HOW you doctor the recipe on the Hershey's can. Which you didn't, so the only reasonable interpretation of that comment was that you were criticizing the use of a mix for any reason, instead of constructively contributing to the discussion of how recipes can be doctored. If this were the only time you ever shifted the terms of a discussion in order to "win the argument" I would have no problem with it, but the fact is that you do it all the time and it gets to be annoying after a while. So I called you on it. I'm still waiting to hear what church it is you go to that doesn't have women ministers and what school you attended that had heated sidewalks, by the way. Elizabeth -- *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* You know.....I've said similar things in the past, about her inability to respond when asked for specifics, her tendency to shift discussions into arguments where she becomes the victim (Poor Karen getting picked on yet again, and having to prove she's right and others bully her), and the conflicting stories she comes up with. The one that stands out the most here is that she is too disabled to work outside the house, yet has the energy to run to the grocery store, bake and deliver brownies daily. I find this one highly irritating currently because I have had a migraine since June 1st. I mean it's constant and daily. I have missed 3 days of work because of it, two because a doctor tried to break it by keeping me more or less asleep for two solid days. One of my higher ups keeps urging me to consider disability, because my pain is obvious to everybody, and I won't. One other thing I have found fascinating about this thread...Sheena did not jump in to defend "Poor Karen" as she would have the moment I said anything like what Elizabeth said. Caryn I'm really sorry you have had a headache for 4 months, but being nasty won't make it better. Apparently you're still looking for a fight and feeling sorry for yourself at the same time. You're still nasty and just too ready for a fight. |
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OT: Migraine was Shana Tova - Happy New Jewish Year 5767
On 9/25/06 10:58 AM, "Brenda Lewis" wrote:
wrote: I find this one highly irritating currently because I have had a migraine since June 1st. I mean it's constant and daily. I have missed 3 days of work because of it, two because a doctor tried to break it by keeping me more or less asleep for two solid days. One of my higher ups keeps urging me to consider disability, because my pain is obvious to everybody, and I won't. OMG! Almost 4 months of a migraine?! I hope that is all it is and that you find relief soon. OUCH - poor baby. I know you've got meds. Seriously, if you're having such horrific episodes - could it be something else besides migraine? And, you might honestly consider doing disability - which if you can't work properly full time, would still let you work some part-time, but help you with not having to totally suffer going to work when you're not able. LMK if you need anything - it's a faster trip to Manassas now than it used to be! I sent you the numbers before.... Ellice |
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OT: Migraine was Shana Tova - Happy New Jewish Year 5767
ellice wrote: On 9/25/06 10:58 AM, "Brenda Lewis" wrote: wrote: I find this one highly irritating currently because I have had a migraine since June 1st. I mean it's constant and daily. I have missed 3 days of work because of it, two because a doctor tried to break it by keeping me more or less asleep for two solid days. One of my higher ups keeps urging me to consider disability, because my pain is obvious to everybody, and I won't. OMG! Almost 4 months of a migraine?! I hope that is all it is and that you find relief soon. OUCH - poor baby. I know you've got meds. Seriously, if you're having such horrific episodes - could it be something else besides migraine? And, you might honestly consider doing disability - which if you can't work properly full time, would still let you work some part-time, but help you with not having to totally suffer going to work when you're not able. LMK if you need anything - it's a faster trip to Manassas now than it used to be! I sent you the numbers before.... Ellice Meds keep it so that I can function, if not happily. Worst part of working is the computer and flourescent lights. I'm back in my field of choice now, might get to use the degree at some point, and I am hanging tough and not allowing the fact that I'm in pain to stop me now that I'm out of the house! Twelve years as the stay at home mom with minimal income from at home businesses was enough! Caryn |
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Shana Tova - Happy New Jewish Year 5767
Lucille wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Dr. Brat wrote: Karen C - California wrote: Dr. Brat wrote: what amazes me is the speed with which some people manage to shift the terms of a discussion as soon as someone says something different than what they said. I didn't see cost or feeding volunteers in the original post, just recipe doctoring. I said "I have regularly had people beg for my brownie recipe and refuse to believe that it's the 99c Safeway house brand mix." I did not say WHAT people, or for WHAT purpose I was baking the cheap brownies, only that they taste better with more water than the box calls for. You apparently read into that, that the only way that I bake brownies is from a 99c mix, because you countered "Or you can bake from scratch and really have something good. The cake on the back of the Hershey's cocoa can doesn't take any more time than a boxed cake mix and is a zillion times better." Funny, I don't see where the above says that I think the only way you bake is from a mix. Why would you assume that's what I meant? I never said that this is the only way I bake brownies. I never said that I don't make them from scratch. I never said that I thought scratch baking takes more time. You felt the need to criticize not baking from scratch, without bothering with accurate facts (like that I have posted a very involved, very expensive scratch recipe here in the past that proves it was unnecessary for you to suggest that my only goal was getting brownies made as quickly as possible). First, I don't read every thing you post, so I see no reason why you would assume that I saw your brownie recipe. Second, you're still setting up a false dichoctomy, implying that baking from scratch has to be expensive. But yes, you are correct that I much prefer scratch baking over using a mix. You assumed facts not in evidence, and then got annoyed when I pointed out your assumption was wrong by filling in facts that were unnecessary to the original comment, in order to correct your false assumption that I think a mix is as good as scratch. I didn't assume facts not in evidence. I responded to what was in front of me. I know perfectly well -- as does almost everyone else here -- that if you want something really good, you bake from scratch. There was no need to point that out in a discussion that centered on *doctoring* recipes, unless you were going to tell us HOW you doctor the recipe on the Hershey's can. Which you didn't, so the only reasonable interpretation of that comment was that you were criticizing the use of a mix for any reason, instead of constructively contributing to the discussion of how recipes can be doctored. If this were the only time you ever shifted the terms of a discussion in order to "win the argument" I would have no problem with it, but the fact is that you do it all the time and it gets to be annoying after a while. So I called you on it. I'm still waiting to hear what church it is you go to that doesn't have women ministers and what school you attended that had heated sidewalks, by the way. Elizabeth -- *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* You know.....I've said similar things in the past, about her inability to respond when asked for specifics, her tendency to shift discussions into arguments where she becomes the victim (Poor Karen getting picked on yet again, and having to prove she's right and others bully her), and the conflicting stories she comes up with. The one that stands out the most here is that she is too disabled to work outside the house, yet has the energy to run to the grocery store, bake and deliver brownies daily. I find this one highly irritating currently because I have had a migraine since June 1st. I mean it's constant and daily. I have missed 3 days of work because of it, two because a doctor tried to break it by keeping me more or less asleep for two solid days. One of my higher ups keeps urging me to consider disability, because my pain is obvious to everybody, and I won't. One other thing I have found fascinating about this thread...Sheena did not jump in to defend "Poor Karen" as she would have the moment I said anything like what Elizabeth said. Caryn I'm really sorry you have had a headache for 4 months, but being nasty won't make it better. Apparently you're still looking for a fight and feeling sorry for yourself at the same time. You're still nasty and just too ready for a fight. And you just had to be snarky to a post I made. At least things are consistent all the way around. I am not feeling sorry for myself, if I was I'd have been constantly whining about this headache starting months ago. This is the first time I've mentioned it, and it was only mentioned in connection with claims of disability, and the discrepancies in stories. I was not "looking for a fight" I was pointing out a certain inequality that exists on this board. I barely post anymore, because I can't talk about how I feel about anything without certain people snarking at me, looking for a fight themselves. Caryn |
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Shana Tova - Happy New Jewish Year 5767
Lucille wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... One other thing I have found fascinating about this thread...Sheena did not jump in to defend "Poor Karen" as she would have the moment I said anything like what Elizabeth said. The difference being that I don't make a career out of picking on Karen for apparently no reason. I'm really sorry you have had a headache for 4 months, but being nasty won't make it better. Apparently you're still looking for a fight and feeling sorry for yourself at the same time. You're still nasty and just too ready for a fight. Awww, c'mon, Lucille! You expected Caryn to give up a chance to take a shot at me, Karen, and Sheena all at once? Please. And here you go ruining her chance to get away with it, by putting her post where I can see it. I gotta say, I find this place much more pleasant when I can't see her! Elizabeth -- *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~living well is the best revenge~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* The most important thing one woman can do for another is to illuminate and expand her sense of actual possibilities. --Adrienne Rich *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* |
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