Am I missing something in this auction?

Actually I was thinking of donations, mostly. But..... But on the other
hand, The seller sounds like he might not be involved with it himself.

Bizarre.

Tina


"Stephanie" wrote in message
...

I think it's along Tina's line of thinking, money being sent somewhere.
Can you
money launder electronically?

It would seem that Jerzeygirl and Ozwald are partners;
they certainly seem to be teamed up. Why is a whole 'nuther question,
and I don't have a clue.

-Kalera


.Stephanie.

Gotta Question?
Google: rec.craft.bead
http://tinyurl.com/5wm36

That does make more sense than anything I can think of.

-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.snipurl.com/kebay


Stephanie wrote:
I think it's along Tina's line of thinking, money being sent somewhere. Can you
money launder electronically?


It would seem that Jerzeygirl and Ozwald are partners;
they certainly seem to be teamed up. Why is a whole 'nuther question,
and I don't have a clue.

-Kalera



.Stephanie.

Gotta Question?
Google: rec.craft.bead
http://tinyurl.com/5wm36

Ooooooohhhh! Yum - chocolate frogs!

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

Its French ... La Frog is how it is pronounced. You remember the chocolate
frogs from the Harry Potter series... yes.. this is what the French have
renamed them. Yum.
Diana

--
Weird people need beads, too
"Kandice Seeber" wrote in message
...
Who..what? Laphroaig? Oh, inquiring minds need to know. What does it
mean?
How does one pronounce it?

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

Kandice wrote:

I honestly believe beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It's like
trying
to explain why I love the color purple. Or why people buy insanely
expensive cars. Or why I have to have
chocolate....right....now..........

Speaking of which, as a 'Friend of Laphroaig' I get these emails.
Today's
showed up with an offer of chocolate with Laphroaig inside!

EEEK.

I'm debating eating the chocolate coins out of the kidlets advent
calendar
and replacing it tomorrow simply because I'm having a chocolate attack.
How
sad is that????

-Su

--
Tillerman eBay shop: http://stores.ebay.com/thetillermanbeads
Tillerman website: http://www.tillerman.co.uk

I don't think this person is being attacked for being successful. I think
the prices are being remarked upon as being unusual. And I think there are
several valid reasons, even good reasons, for asking why. Eg, to improve
the salability or quality of someone's own lampwork. Or to ascertain what
makes some beads more valuable than others. Or to see if there's funny
business going on.

Those are all good reasons. As a non-lampworker, I asked about his other
work. I wanted to learn the difference between some really great hearts
I've seen that seem similar to me and that had similar opening bids, and a
bead bid 10 or 20 times as high. Was it technically superior? And if it's
some kind of funny business, I think that's relevant too. You can't say
"caveat emptor", and then tell people it's not their business to look at
sales that seem out of line.

Tina


"Kandice Seeber" wrote in message
...
I still don't see any definitive proof. Suspicious, maybe. But still -
why
why why are we being so judgemental?
Even if it is proven that this person shills, I still feel like the
beadmaking community consistently and unnecessarily attacks anyone who has
success on ebay. It's just.......icky. Oh, well - it looks like I am in
the minority.
--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

After posting my previous opinionated but foundless opinion, I actually
did some research and it looks like our more suspicious crew members
were
right to trust their instincts:

http://snipurl.com/b9cd

http://snipurl.com/b9ce

http://snipurl.com/b9ca

http://snipurl.com/b9cf

I figured that if there's shilling, the item will reurn to eBay for sale
not long after being sold. A little digging, and pouf; I'm a hardcore
benefit-of-the-doubt girl, but that there is shilling. Fraud, ladies and
gentlemen.

-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.snipurl.com/kebay

Barbara Forbes-Lyons wrote:
$400?

Huh?

http://snipurl.com/b82l

As is evident from my earlier posts, I thought that it was just another
of the endless witchhunts... but when I looked at the buying/selling
histories of those two bidders, it became evident that there was
something really different going on. It intrigued me... it's a mystery.
There isn't any evidence that the seller is directly involved or knows
anything about it, and that's even more intriguing to me; the
possibility that there is some sort of illegal activity that involves
preying on an unsuspecting eBay seller, and implicating them without
their knowledge.

So, given what's going through my head, I'm extremely interested in
seeing it discussed until all the elements are brought to light. I would
rather see it hashed out than continue to wonder if there's a scam out
there that I, or any one of us, could get caught in without even knowing
until it's too late, thinking it's our great good fortune all the while.

-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.snipurl.com/kebay


LC aka Fiddy wrote:
I think my curiosity with it, and suspiciousness of it (is that a word?) stem
from the fact that it doesn't appear to be much out of the ordinary, and yet
it's getting a price that's SKY high...I was just wondering what was so special
about it...but with all the interconnections between the "players"...it got my
"Nancy Drew" gene all stirred up.

I would have had the same reaction if it was a toaster! What's so danged
special about a toaster that it should get a price of $XXX or whatever....

The Blessed Fiddy, Patroness Saint of the Disorganized
LC in Sunny So Cal
Personality Development Specialist (Full-Time Mom!)

That's all fine, well and good. But personally, I am thinking about this
beadmaker's feelings. I put myself in their shoes. If it were me being
discussed, I would be devastated. If someone posted one of my auctions and
asked what made it so special, I would be hurt. (Because the assumption
would be that the beads are not worth the price, at least in the poster's
eyes.) Then, to add insult to injury, people here and in a couple of other
places, began to question both the seller's integrity and the bidder's
integrity.
These are people we are talking about - real people with real feelings.

That's all I meant - if there's funny business, why not just leave it up to
the people in charge? Because if there is *no* funny business, people's
good names are being dragged through the mud for no reason. This can damage
a person's business, and their ego as well.

It wasn't the original post asking for an explanation as to what made the
bead worth $400 that irked me so - it was the later implication that fraud
was going on when no one had any proof. Just public suspicion.

When Corina's $1000 auction happened, people were all over that with
comments about the beads being not so special.
It's happened with others as well. At least no one played the fraud card.
Probably because we knew the beadmaker in question.

People tend to forget (or don't care) that these artists are people, and
they can and do see these very public posts.

A little bit of decorum and tact is all I am asking for.

--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

I don't think this person is being attacked for being successful. I think
the prices are being remarked upon as being unusual. And I think there
are
several valid reasons, even good reasons, for asking why. Eg, to improve
the salability or quality of someone's own lampwork. Or to ascertain what
makes some beads more valuable than others. Or to see if there's funny
business going on.

Those are all good reasons. As a non-lampworker, I asked about his other
work. I wanted to learn the difference between some really great hearts
I've seen that seem similar to me and that had similar opening bids, and a
bead bid 10 or 20 times as high. Was it technically superior? And if
it's
some kind of funny business, I think that's relevant too. You can't say
"caveat emptor", and then tell people it's not their business to look at
sales that seem out of line.

Tina


"Kandice Seeber" wrote in message
...
I still don't see any definitive proof. Suspicious, maybe. But still -
why
why why are we being so judgemental?
Even if it is proven that this person shills, I still feel like the
beadmaking community consistently and unnecessarily attacks anyone who
has
success on ebay. It's just.......icky. Oh, well - it looks like I am in
the minority.
--
Kandice Seeber
Air & Earth Designs
http://www.lampwork.net

After posting my previous opinionated but foundless opinion, I actually
did some research and it looks like our more suspicious crew members
were
right to trust their instincts:

http://snipurl.com/b9cd

http://snipurl.com/b9ce

http://snipurl.com/b9ca

http://snipurl.com/b9cf

I figured that if there's shilling, the item will reurn to eBay for
sale
not long after being sold. A little digging, and pouf; I'm a hardcore
benefit-of-the-doubt girl, but that there is shilling. Fraud, ladies
and
gentlemen.

-Kalera
http://www.beadwife.com
http://www.snipurl.com/kebay

Barbara Forbes-Lyons wrote:
$400?

Huh?

http://snipurl.com/b82l

I'm glad you posted this, Cheryl,

I don't find it at all odd that Oswald7 spent that
much in a month, because I've had months where just ONE of these two
ladies literally paid my mortgage.


Yeah, I know what you mean -- recently I've had people ask if I am making beads
anymore - because I don't auction or list much anymore -
the reason is that my orders off the website have been kinda overwhelming...

the bad side to that is -- you get tired of making the same thing over and
over....
*i.e. chocolate beads.....

I'm really itching to get at the torch and make something "new" and creative...
but I have orders that need to go out - before it gets much closer to
Christmas!

My money on Oswald7 is that the majority of the hearts are going to gallery
sales -(seeing that this person sells some older stock expensive handbags and
the like -- like clearing old stock on ebay...) and maybe the expensive one for
their own collection ... G-
Then again - anyone who can afford to buy a Louis Vitton handbag and then
resell it for $600
can afford any darn bead she pleases!
Also - I will admit to dropping nearly $900 on lampwork beads in one day ! LOL
(although from different artists) - that was years ago - before I became a
lampwork artist.... however the most expensive piece was $185 fused glass
ocean pendant necklace with sterling silver setting - by Mary Kennedy



Cheryl
DRAGON BEADS
Flameworked beads and glass
http://www.dragonbeads.com/

Look at the bid history of the pendant I posted... Jerseygirl bid $60,
Ozwald bid $61 and won it, then sold it to Jerseygirl with a Buy It Now
of $25. *The same pattern follows for every other one of Orrzo's hearts

well -- I had noted in my original draft - which I didn't post one day

that it appeared to me that Jerseygirl and another bidder besides Oswald7 were
involved

I even tallied the number of auctions that they bid on - and how "coincidental"
it was ... but then deleted it before I posted...

I guess I should have been more suspicious... LOL
Cheryl
DRAGON BEADS
Flameworked beads and glass
http://www.dragonbeads.com/

How about money laundering?

Heather


On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:01:16 GMT, Karin Cernik
wrote:

I guess I'm not seeing what Ozwald is supposed to be getting out of all
this... he buys the stuff and sells it cheaper. How does that possibly
benefit him??


--
Heather

Looks Like Oswald7 bids and buys stuff from other lampworkers and does the same
thing....

Note this sale by madglass1

for $10.50 to Oswald7 as high bidder
http://snipurl.com/ba3x

and Oswald7 currently has it for sale -
http://snipurl.com/ba3z
for $3.00 ???

along with a bunch of other "madglass1"
items that were "previously purchased"-- all listed for $3.00 - much less
than was originally paid for them

come on -- nobody can buy high - and sell low constantly...
something WEIRD is going on...

I think someone is trying to "build a name" for certain beaders --

Cheryl
DRAGON BEADS
Flameworked beads and glass
http://www.dragonbeads.com/