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Here we go again. Please don't let this deteriorate into another flaming
match that nearly shuts this ng down again! We were just getting up to the level of information sharing we were at before. Let the would-be sellers rage & fume & go elsewhere in peace. |
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"havana bill & holly" wrote in message ...
Here we go again. Please don't let this deteriorate into another flaming match that nearly shuts this ng down again! We were just getting up to the level of information sharing we were at before. Let the would-be sellers rage & fume & go elsewhere in peace. Geez! I came here to get advice, I mostly have lurked in the background, but I have to put in my 2 cents here, Why are you all jumping on a newbie who didn't know your methods of posting? I agree that if you don't want selling, that is fine, but please make it clear, and give people the benefit of the doubt, if it looks like there is a problem, suggest a solution, don't just condemn them without a trial. I see both sides on this one, and I am glad I don't have to be making a decision on who is right/wrong here. I got a couple of emails myself, those that sent them know what they said, but I have a thicker skin than that, I guess pebblepuppie did not, so I will get off my soapbox for now, bid everyone a good time and leave you with the words "Love, not hate, shall conquer all!" I am writing pebblepuppie and asking her to reconsider leaving, she makes some wonderful things, I will never be able to build a dollhouse like hers if I live to be a 150, can you? Pam |
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(Chuck) wrote in message ...
On 15 Feb 2004 14:00:18 -0800, (Pam) wrote: Geez! I came here to get advice, I mostly have lurked in the background, but I have to put in my 2 cents here, Why are you all jumping on a newbie who didn't know your methods of posting? I agree that if you don't want selling, that is fine, but please make it clear, and give people the benefit of the doubt, if it looks like there is a problem, suggest a solution, don't just condemn them without a trial. First of all, Pam, the appropriate portions of the charter and a pointer to the newsgroup's web site are posted every couple of weeks by Dawn, who is the maintainer of the site. Second of all, the evil, rude, condemnatory email that set Millie off is quoted, in its entirety, below. It was posted in response to an unsolicited advertisement for coathangers. Millie, Nice to have you aboard, but please bear in mind that the charter of the newsgroup doesn't allow for commercial, advertising, "for sale" or "for auction" posts. Thanks. Doesn't seem all that pushy, judgemental, narrow-minded or anything else to me, but hey, what do I know... Why did you email her? If Dawn is the site maintainer let her take care of it, why do you care? Why not just post your opinion of her infraction here? Where is Dawn, I would think this topic warrants her intervention. I still don't see where Millie was "selling" those cute little coathangers, and how do We know that is what you emailed her? Pam |
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Why did you email her?
Because issues like this are (appropriately) taken care of off-group, to avoid cluttering it up, and to avoid threads, LIKE THIS ONE, full of off-topic blather about things (like rules of a newsgroup) that any user of any UseNet newsgroup should make themself aware of before posting to said newsgroup. If Dawn is the site maintainer let her take care of it, rec.crafts.dollhouses is not a "site," it is a newsgroup. Dawn maintains a web site, of her own, which is the official web site associated with the newsgroup. This is an unmoderated, or more correctly "self-moderated" newsgroup. It is up to the users/subscribers to maintain the integrity and usefulness of the newsgroup and make sure that its content falls within the boundaries of its own charter. why do you care? Why? Because I am one of the founding members, I've been on here since Day 1, and I've been battling spammers, ad-posters and trolls almost since that day, and I plan to continue that practice as long as people continue posting ads, spam and other off-topic or inappropropriate posts. We started this newsgroup to SHARE information, not SELL it, and attempts to circumvent that aspect of the spirit of the newsgroup's charter will be handled accordingly. Why not just post your opinion of her infraction here? Because issues like this are appropriately handled off-group, as is the UseNet standard, as it has been for ages. Because the point is, not only do most people not want to be reminded, reprimanded or chided in the public eye, but it also avoids never-ending, off-topic threads LIKE THIS ONE, about things, like the rules of the newsgroup, which as I said, people should make themself aware of before they post to a newsgroup. Where is Dawn, I would think this topic warrants her intervention. Dawn has a life too, and this topic doesn't need any "intervention," it just needs to end. The rule is simple: Don't post advertisements and don't post auction notices. This newsgroup isn't here for people to make a buck off, it is here for the free exchange of information. Posting things that say, "Hey, I make and sell blahblahblah" is an ad, however you slice it. If someone says, "Where the heck can I find blahblahblah," and someone else says, "I can make that for you, email me and we'll talk about it," that's absolutely appropriate. I still don't see where Millie was "selling" those cute little coathangers, Then apparently you didn't see her post, or read it selectively. and how do We know that is what you emailed her? Because I said it is, and I do not lie. Also because I didn't post her rude reply. |
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Millie wrote:
[ A lot of stuff, followed by ... I am back .... and then a lot more stuff ] To which Herb replies: Welcome Back!! Illegitimus non carborundum. |
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CONTINUED FOR MILLIE . . .
And to just G R O W U P ! These are some of the most "free giving" people I have come across and you have been just plain out childish and rude. Shame on you. I think I have much to share with others on this group, including my opinions about a busybody like you, please find something else to do, You have lost any respect that you might have deserved by the way you have acted toward everyone. At first if you don't like what some one says, ridicule them and stomp you feet like a child. This must be your motto. TO THE REST WHO HAS BEEN SO NICE AND HAVE STUCK WITH THIS NEWSGROUP THROUGH THICK AND THIN. THANK YOU. I AM VERY SORRY TO HAVE POSTED THIS AND PROLONGING WHAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER GOTTEN THIS FAR . . . BUT, AFTER READING THE POSTS DAILY AND LISTENING TO THE RAMPANT RANTING OF HOW TO GET AROUND RULES, INSULTS, AND TREATING YOU GUY'S POORLY--I JUST HAD TO SAY SOMETHING. PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGIES. YOU GUYS ARE THE GREATEST! THANK YOU. I'VE BEEN READING AND WATCHING FOR JUST OVER A YEAR AND HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH FROM YOU GUY'S AND GAL'S, AND WHEN I AM AT THE POINT WHERE I CAN SHARE WHAT I HAVE LEARNED (IN THIS FIELD), YOU WILL SEE MY POSTS. THANK YOU AND LETS BRING THIS THREAD TO A CLOSE. PLEASE. |
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"Cathy Weeks" wrote in message One final thing - Gerald's posts were never particularly rude - if you want to see rude, just hang out on usenet for awhile - it won't be long before what he wrote will seem downright sweet! People get downright nasty on other newgroups. So, I guess what I'm suggesting is to develop a thicker skin, or you'll never be able to enjoy the wonderful aspects of usenet. Try some of the computer groups for awhile if you want to find rude people. I sometimes come out of them bleeding. Four letter words, and worse, are the norm. One time I got screamed at for top posting rather than bottom posting even though I was being helpful and answering someone's question. My rule of thumb is not to answer rude people or flamers. Here is a fairly good, although old, guideline for netiquette in usenet groups although it's for listservs and some of it is not applicable http://www.fau.edu/netiquette/net/dis.html The part about emailing privately is definitely not applicable. Carol S P Miniatures http://www.spminiatures.com |
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