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Knitted [metal] armor
"YarnWright" wrote in message ... Mary Do some research. Mirjam and I as well as quite a few others here who are really INTO renaisance times HAVE done the research, and know what of we speak. Noreen who knows you just have a vendetta against Mirjam, and will fight YOU every step of the way. SHE belongs, your ATTITUDE doesn't. Ahem. You seem to have a vendetta against me, I don't against anyone :-) And I do know quite a lot about armour; although I don't make it and we don't wear it (we're 100% non-combatant in role as well as in real life) many of my friends and fellow traders do. We're not 'into' rennaissance activities, we practise earlier skills. My husband is a metallurgist and takes a keen interest in such things. He's a very practical man (he does most of the mediaeval textiles in this house). I asked him about this matter yesterday evening, he said wire could be twisted into something resembling a pan scrub but it wouldn't be nåhlbindning - which needs a needle. You really shouldn't assume that others have no experience or historical knowledge. Next time I go to the Royal Armouries Museum (within walking distance of home) I'll ask the Curator of Armour (who we know because we've been involved with the Armouries since before it came to the city, we were invited to the Queen's opening) - but shan't bother putting his answers here because I suspect that they wouldn't be believed. Mary |
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On May 21, 11:48*am, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"YarnWright" wrote in message ... Mary Do some research. *Mirjam and I as well as quite a few others here who are really INTO renaisance times HAVE done the research, and know what of we speak. Noreen who knows you just have a vendetta against Mirjam, and will fight YOU every step of the way. *SHE belongs, *your ATTITUDE doesn't. Ahem. You seem to have a vendetta against me, I don't against anyone :-) And I do know quite a lot about armour; although I don't make it and we don't wear it (we're 100% non-combatant in role as well as in real life) many of my friends and fellow traders do. We're not 'into' rennaissance activities, we practise earlier skills. My husband is a metallurgist and takes a keen interest in such things. He's a very practical man (he does most of the mediaeval textiles in this house). I asked him about this matter yesterday evening, he said wire could be twisted into something resembling a pan scrub but it wouldn't be nåhlbindning - which needs a needle. You really shouldn't assume that others have no experience or historical knowledge. Next time I go to the Royal Armouries Museum (within walking distance of home) I'll ask the Curator of Armour (who we know because we've been involved with the Armouries since before it came to the city, we were invited to the Queen's opening) - but shan't bother putting his answers here because I suspect that they wouldn't be believed. Mary Why Do YOU assume we wouldn`t believe your Aquaintance`s answers. As a matter of habit, i always assume that people tell what they really know, and that i should respect their words as such. I am also open to the idea, that in different places, people used different methods to make armours. If you haven`t seen the kind i saw, and i haven`t [ i have in reality but i am now giving a Hypothetical example] seen the kind you saw , we might think that what we saw is the only kind. But this isn`t how it is , I have over the years seen at least 3 different technics made Armors, [maybe 4???] . I only saw them in digs [quite dirty] , or in museum, not in reconstructed copies... I believe you, that your husband is quite capable of doing many objects, but there still exist some techniques in which other people excell, and maybe your husband hasn`t met those. Nothing wrong with that ,,, I knit , weave, crochet, sew, embroider etc,, i don`t make macrame ,,,,,,,,, Does this make Macrame non existant ???? Ps i naaldbound with a bone, and with a stick , and with a clothpin. i have seen and touched a naaldbound Toesock from Metzada [more than 2000 years old]. each of us, your curator friend, your husband you and me=, have seen DIFFERENT things, and are better acknowledged with the things we saw... mirjam |
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Ahem. You seem to have a vendetta against me, I don't against anyone :-) I don`t know if you have a vendetta, but it sure feels to me that you have a kick out of opposing everything i say. You even had the Unbelievable idea, of suggesting to me in your private letter that i ahouldn`t open your letters, because you have my good in your heart... You even posted here , a very offensive post against me and my culture. And now you wonder why some people feel you have something against me? You really shouldn't assume that others have no experience or historical knowledge. Both in other things as in that Horrid question you showed everybody here what parts of history you `preffer`. Next time I go to the Royal Armouries Museum (within walking distance of home) I'll ask the Curator of Armour (who we know because we've been involved with the Armouries since before it came to the city, we were invited to the Queen's opening) - but shan't bother putting his answers here because I suspect that they wouldn't be believed. Knowledge isn`t a matter of belief ... mirjam Mary Ps it is YOU mary who constantly Hint that others know Less than you , i keep saying that others know DIfferent things,,, You remind me of the 10 blind men who walk in a line and meet an elephant,, one says the elephant has a tiny tail, one says it has big feet , one says it has a big TOE ,,,,, My elephant has all the parts even some parts i never saw ,,, your elephant seems to have only one part , the part that you can touch. |
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Now I remember why I quit reading this newsgroup for a few years... -- -:¦:- ·.·´¨ ¨)) ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ..·´ Chris ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- ((¸¸ ·.· |
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On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:59:28 +0000, Chris Underwood wrote:
Now I remember why I quit reading this newsgroup for a few years... That doesn't surprise me at all Chris and is something I considered the last time this sort of nonsense started. How on earth we expect to have any kind of peace elsewhere when we can't even have it on a small sewing group is beyond me! It seems as though the word tolerance is meaningless. -- Bernadette |
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On May 21, 8:59*pm, "Chris Underwood"
wrote: Now I remember why I quit reading this newsgroup for a few years... -- * * * * * * * * * * -:¦:- * * * * * * ·.·´¨ ¨)) * * * * * * * * ¸.·´ *.·´¨¨)) * * * * * * ..·´ * *Chris * * * * * * ((¸¸.·´ *..·´ * * * * * * *-:¦:- *((¸¸ * * * * * * * * * * * * *·.· Excuse me CHRIS this Ng was always nice, considerate and every one was patient. The few people who thought that they+ had to be unkind , felt that this wasn`t the place and eventually stopped doing it , After a nasty attack of foul posts a big part of this group mooved to a closed list. I am very sorry if my answer to Mary disturbed you , it seems that in the last weeks she jumps at my posts whatever i write........ mirjam |
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On May 21, 9:48*pm, Bernadette wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:59:28 +0000, Chris Underwood wrote: Now I remember why I quit reading this newsgroup for a few years... That doesn't surprise me at all Chris and is something I considered the last time this sort of nonsense started. How on earth we expect to have any kind of peace elsewhere when we can't even have it on a small sewing group is beyond me! It seems as though the word tolerance is meaningless. -- Bernadette Bernadette as you know i enjoy writing and sharing many knitting crocheting weaving and art things, This doesn`t mean that any person has the right to say racial/ or religious things about me, i didn`t start jumping on that person , she does and i try to avoid it ,, but there are limits. mirjam |
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On Wed, 21 May 2008 14:08:54 -0700, mirjam wrote:
On May 21, 9:48*pm, Bernadette wrote: On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:59:28 +0000, Chris Underwood wrote: Now I remember why I quit reading this newsgroup for a few years... That doesn't surprise me at all Chris and is something I considered the last time this sort of nonsense started. How on earth we expect to have any kind of peace elsewhere when we can't even have it on a small sewing group is beyond me! It seems as though the word tolerance is meaningless. -- Bernadette Bernadette as you know i enjoy writing and sharing many knitting crocheting weaving and art things, I know this Mirjam and have learned a lot from you. I know you also love to share the everyday things that make life interesting and joyful. This doesn`t mean that any person has the right to say racial/ or religious things about me, To my way of thinking no one person has the right to make judgements about another. You did not but others on this group did and I find that disgraceful! i didn`t start jumping on that person , she does and i try to avoid it ,, but there are limits. mirjam Mirjam, the situation between Israel/Palestine is so emotive that anything which touches on it automatically pushes the temperature, and tempers, higher. All I will say is that I have beloved friends who are Jewish and other beloved friends who are Palestinian. Listening to what they say enables me to have a little understanding of the Hell in which many people are living. Bernadette |
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Benadette good mortning our side good evening your side !!!
I know this Mirjam and have learned a lot from you. I know you also love to share the everyday things that make life interesting and joyful. Thank you for understanding this. To my way of thinking no one person has the right to make judgements about another. You did not but others on this group did and I find that disgraceful! I agree , but when she/or others do so , you call it nonesense ? or itolerance My life experience told me that sometimes people who speak unkindly should be answered back, other wise they think they can go on with it.... and i try to avoid it ,, but there are limits. mirjam Mirjam, the situation between Israel/Palestine is so emotive that anything which touches on it automatically pushes the temperature, and Excuse me !!!!!!!!! and what exactly does that mean ?, when talk about ARMORS that were worn during the crusades , and a discussion about the method in which they were made ??????? tempers, higher. All I will say is that I have beloved friends who are Jewish and other beloved friends who are Palestinian. Listening to what they say enables me to have a little understanding of the Hell in which many people are living. I think the above text has NOTHING what so ever to do with the discussions here !!!! And i don`t think i live in any kind of hell , i think Life all over the globe is complicated , but WHAT has that or any of the above TO DO with unpolite jumping on some of my texts. And bernadette i have beloved friends who are PEOPLE , i don`t define them by their Religion or political nationality . mirjam |
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On Wed, 21 May 2008 20:33:12 -0700, mirjam wrote:
Benadette good mortning our side good evening your side !!! I know this Mirjam and have learned a lot from you. I know you also love to share the everyday things that make life interesting and joyful. Thank you for understanding this. To my way of thinking no one person has the right to make judgements about another. You did not but others on this group did and I find that disgraceful! I agree , but when she/or others do so , you call it nonesense ? or itolerance My life experience told me that sometimes people who speak unkindly should be answered back, other wise they think they can go on with it.... and i try to avoid it ,, but there are limits. mirjam Mirjam, the situation between Israel/Palestine is so emotive that anything which touches on it automatically pushes the temperature, and Excuse me !!!!!!!!! and what exactly does that mean ?, when talk about ARMORS that were worn during the crusades , and a discussion about the method in which they were made ??????? What it means Mirjam is that this is not the first time this type of nastiness has erupted on this board and each time it does it has NOTHING to do with the subject under discussion. This time it started from when you shared your happiness about your day of celebration and has continued ever since, with others joining in since a comment was made by Mary about it not being a day of celebration for everyone. From what I have seen you really do not need others to join in to defend you - you seem quite capable of doing that yourself)! tempers, higher. All I will say is that I have beloved friends who are Jewish and other beloved friends who are Palestinian. Listening to what they say enables me to have a little understanding of the Hell in which many people are living. I think the above text has NOTHING what so ever to do with the discussions here !!!! I agree and nor do any of the snide comments that have been thrown about either. And i don`t think i live in any kind of hell , I was not referring to you specifically Mirjam, I was referring to the people I have spoken to and used some of their words regarding the situation they are in AS THEY FEEL IT. i think Life all over the globe is complicated , but WHAT has that or any of the above TO DO with unpolite jumping on some of my texts. And bernadette i have beloved friends who are PEOPLE , Indeed and so have I. i don`t define them by their Religion or political nationality . mirjam Nor do I Mirjam unless they have referred to them selves specifically in that way and speak on these matters to make a point to me. The people to whom I was referring had done that and I was sharing with you what they had shared with me. If someone tells me that they are black, or Russian, or Irish I do not try to take away their definition of them selves as it obviously matters to them. Bernadette |
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