Foiled again

I've bought foil from two stained glass shops and one online store.
They always come in a little plastic bag but with no manufacturer's
name. One roll that I got seemed to have a lot of extra slices
hanging off the foil, little edges that didn't get trimmed well when
it was cut. That foil didn't seem to stick very well to the glass.

Are there different manufacturers of foil? If yes, is one type better
than another? If so, can you point me to a retail online store that
will sell me the good stuff? Incidentally, I prefer the black-backed
foil.

Thanks, Michael

"Michael" wrote in message
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I've bought foil from two stained glass shops and one online store.
They always come in a little plastic bag but with no manufacturer's
name. One roll that I got seemed to have a lot of extra slices
hanging off the foil, little edges that didn't get trimmed well when
it was cut. That foil didn't seem to stick very well to the glass.

Are there different manufacturers of foil? If yes, is one type better
than another? If so, can you point me to a retail online store that
will sell me the good stuff? Incidentally, I prefer the black-backed
foil.

Thanks, Michael



The best foil has a fancy label that says either Venture or EDCO and is
fresh foil that sticks well to clean and dry glass edges. Bring that crap
back.


--
JK Sinrod
www.SinrodStudios.com
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

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"Michael" wrote in message
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I've bought foil from two stained glass shops and one online store.
They always come in a little plastic bag but with no manufacturer's
name. One roll that I got seemed to have a lot of extra slices
hanging off the foil, little edges that didn't get trimmed well when
it was cut. That foil didn't seem to stick very well to the glass.

Are there different manufacturers of foil? If yes, is one type better
than another? If so, can you point me to a retail online store that
will sell me the good stuff? Incidentally, I prefer the black-backed
foil.

Thanks, Michael



The best foil has a fancy label that says either Venture or EDCO and
is
fresh foil that sticks well to clean and dry glass edges. Bring that
crap
back.


Foil is foil, only a couple of manufacturers in the US, far as I know, but
if you got some stuff you think might not be what you want it to be, warm
it
up, use a blow dryer, lay the roll on a piece of paper and point the blow
dryer at it, flip it and do the other side, that will give the acrylic
adhesive a little renewal. No biggie, works just fine, isn't supposed to
glue the glass anyway, just stay on the edge until it is soldered.





When you have a few hundred pieces to foil the last thing you want is
to be taking the time heating it up so it sticks the way it's supposed to do
right out of the bag. Foil is one of the few things left in our craft
that's still cheap. What you may have Mike is some repackaged or old stuff
with no label. Sounds suspicious to me? Send it back and for about $5 bucks
get stuff that's fresh.


--
JK Sinrod
www.SinrodStudios.com
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

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"Michael" wrote in message
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I've bought foil from two stained glass shops and one online store.
They always come in a little plastic bag but with no manufacturer's
name. One roll that I got seemed to have a lot of extra slices
hanging off the foil, little edges that didn't get trimmed well when
it was cut. That foil didn't seem to stick very well to the glass.

Are there different manufacturers of foil? If yes, is one type better
than another? If so, can you point me to a retail online store that
will sell me the good stuff? Incidentally, I prefer the black-backed
foil.

Thanks, Michael



The best foil has a fancy label that says either Venture or EDCO and is
fresh foil that sticks well to clean and dry glass edges. Bring that crap
back.


Foil is foil, only a couple of manufacturers in the US, far as I know, but
if you got some stuff you think might not be what you want it to be, warm it
up, use a blow dryer, lay the roll on a piece of paper and point the blow
dryer at it, flip it and do the other side, that will give the acrylic
adhesive a little renewal. No biggie, works just fine, isn't supposed to
glue the glass anyway, just stay on the edge until it is soldered.

" When you have a few hundred pieces to foil the last thing you want
is
to be taking the time heating it up so it sticks the way it's supposed to
do
right out of the bag. Foil is one of the few things left in our craft
that's still cheap. What you may have Mike is some repackaged or old
stuff
with no label. Sounds suspicious to me? Send it back and for about $5
bucks
get stuff that's fresh.

Hey you old fart, you just heat it one time, not continuously!
the acrylic forgot what it was supposed to do when it was in the box in FL,
at Glasscrafters.

Don't you have some boxes to pack? LOL

by the time you "send it back(pay postage) and buy more(same place? same
inventory) and have it sent(Pay postage) you may have forgotten where you
were on the project!! and spent more than you need to, unfortunately there
is no good store nearby for Mike to buy from so everything comes mail order.
Ask me how I know this?

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"Michael" wrote in message
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I've bought foil from two stained glass shops and one online store.
They always come in a little plastic bag but with no manufacturer's
name. One roll that I got seemed to have a lot of extra slices
hanging off the foil, little edges that didn't get trimmed well when
it was cut. That foil didn't seem to stick very well to the glass.

Are there different manufacturers of foil? If yes, is one type better
than another? If so, can you point me to a retail online store that
will sell me the good stuff? Incidentally, I prefer the black-backed
foil.

Thanks, Michael

The best foil has a fancy label that says either Venture or EDCO and is
fresh foil that sticks well to clean and dry glass edges. Bring that crap
back.

Foil is foil, only a couple of manufacturers in the US, far as I know, but
if you got some stuff you think might not be what you want it to be, warm it
up, use a blow dryer, lay the roll on a piece of paper and point the blow
dryer at it, flip it and do the other side, that will give the acrylic
adhesive a little renewal. No biggie, works just fine, isn't supposed to
glue the glass anyway, just stay on the edge until it is soldered.- Hide quoted text -

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I think Edco or maybe even Venture will sell you foil in plain bags if
you want to buy enough of it...like cases and cases. I heard also that
Diamond Tech is importing foil from China...probably crappy just like
the rest of their stuff.

"Javahut" wrote in message
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" When you have a few hundred pieces to foil the last thing you
want
is
to be taking the time heating it up so it sticks the way it's supposed to
do
right out of the bag. Foil is one of the few things left in our craft
that's still cheap. What you may have Mike is some repackaged or old
stuff
with no label. Sounds suspicious to me? Send it back and for about $5
bucks
get stuff that's fresh.

Hey you old fart, you just heat it one time, not continuously!
the acrylic forgot what it was supposed to do when it was in the box in
FL,
at Glasscrafters.

Don't you have some boxes to pack? LOL



Anxious to get rid of me huh?


by the time you "send it back(pay postage) and buy more(same place? same
inventory) and have it sent(Pay postage) you may have forgotten where you
were on the project!! and spent more than you need to, unfortunately
there is no good store nearby for Mike to buy from so everything comes
mail order.
Ask me how I know this?



Selling bad foil should be punished. It's like getting a stale donut. If
you don't speak up, they'll just keep doing it.


--
JK Sinrod
www.SinrodStudios.com
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

Edco comes in a plain plastic bag that says copper foil tape.
I liked Edco better than Venture but haven't foiled anything in a long time.
--
Connie R

Don't you have some boxes to pack? LOL

Anxious to get rid of me huh?

Not at all, I like having you here, just wanted you to see that I was paying
attention!

snipped my own drivel

Selling bad foil should be punished. It's like getting a stale donut.
If
you don't speak up, they'll just keep doing it.

it happens to everybody once, dealing with it is the lesson. big oh well!
for a $5 purchase, them big wholesalers just haven't been selling their
stuff fast enough.

Thanks for all the feedback on this. I rechecked the 6 rolls I got
from Glasscrafters. Absolutely no manufacturer listed on the plastic
packages. Seems weird to me.

The bad foil got used up about a month ago. It went into the tulip
lamp I did. If pieces start falling off of it, I can blame the foil
manufacturer instead of the lamp manufacturer. What a comfort.

Michael