A tale of woe

On Oct 1, 7:33*pm, Sunny wrote:
John, at least you have something to show for your damage. I injured
the innards of my Janome 5700 horribly by accidentally using a Singer
bobbin. Ouch. I was sewing along (jerkily) and BANG, the bobbin yanked
up so hard that it yanked the needle down and bent it inside the feed
dogs. I cut the piece I was quilting *away. Total loss. I took it to
the shop and was lectured rudely about never using the wrong bobbin
again. Cost? $150 for fixing the machine -- including a new bobbin
race cuz I totally broke the old one, $15 that I'd invested in what I
was quilting that was ruined beyond belief, priceless humiliation.

I know you love Bernina machines, but I think Irene is quite right
that a Juki TL98q would handle your bags with ease. My new Janome 6600
probably could, but the Juki would do it without breaking a sweat.
Perhaps not as elegant as a Bernina, but consider the humble mule and
the work it can do that would destroy an aristocratic thoroughbred.

Sunny
butting in as usual with my opinion.

I know that the machines like the Juki and Janome 1600 are good
machines for quilting. I have had a Janome 1600 for a couple of years.
So I know what they can do. But In my talking to a number of
Industrial machine vendors, I have had my eyes opened as to their
limitations. There are Industrial machines and then there are
Industrial machines. By that I mean that some industrial machines are
meant for tailoring and clothing construction and sew at incredibly
fast speed. Like 5550 stitches per minute. That same machine is also
offered as a medium and heavyweight upholstery machine and and it sews
at about 4000 stitches per minute. They are both the same machine but
the gearing and feed dogs are completely different as is the purpose
of the machine. I talked to 5 different vendors and each one,
independently thought that for the purpose I was wanting a machine, I
would be best served by acquiring a compound walking foot machine.
That is not to say that I could not do the bags using my janome 1600,
but if I wanted to do the job with faultless and trouble free
precision, and at a faster than snails pace, that would be the best
machine for the purpose. I have tried to do these bags, and similar
types of projects, with the Janome 1600, and have come up against the
same problems that have plagued the Bernina. The thickness of fabric I
am confronting, will bend the needle if you are not careful and cause
all sorts of mayhem in the bobbin, and that is using the most
cautious and careful sewing speed that can be used. With the compound
walking foot machine, not only does the walking foot move the fabric
in sync with the feed dogs, but the needle itself moves forward toward
the person sewing, as the walking foot grabs the fabric. It plunges
into the fabric,and then moves to the rear of the machine along with
the fabric, until it reaches the end of the cycle and the comes up to
the top of it's arc and moves forward to repeat the cycle. All this
can be done at speed, without regard to being careful not to
overburden the sewing machine. It is built to do just that. This is
why I think it is the "Best" solution to this particular sewing
requirement. Could I use a Juki, Janome or Brother straight stitch. Of
course. I used the Bernina for a large batch of work of this nature
without to much of an effort on my part, other than a slow and careful
pace, until I tempted fate one to many times. I even caused a similar
problem with The Janome 1600 and bent the needle, both a #16 Jeans
needle, and #18 Needle. So you see I am well aware of the potential
for the limits of those types of machines. They are really not suited
to they type of usage I was subjecting them to. I think that by
restricting the type of fabrics I use on these bags, and careful use
of the machine, either the Bernina, or the Janome, will allow me to
continue making some form of these bags and other similar projects. I
just won't be able to do it with the speed and ease of use as I might
have I I could spring for one of the compound WF machines. Sadly, that
is not in my budget for a hobby purchase at this time. If I was going
into production on a commercial basis, then of course , I would spring
for one, as it would mean the difference between making money or
making lots of bent needles, and my machine repairman rich. While the
Domestic, High Speed machines like the Janome, Juki, and Brother are
wonderful machines. They really are not in the same league as a
dedicated purpose industrial machine. At least as far a bag
construction is concerned. That is just my, and every one of the 5
vendors opinion. Yours of course might be different, and that is what
makes the world go round. But if you think about it, why would they go
to the trouble to make all those commercial machines if a high speed
domestic machine would do just as well? Something to think about.
John

John,
What about the machine that is sold to boat owners/people for the
repair of sails? I can't remember the name right now, but it wasn't
real expensive, came in a "portable case" and could be carried on
board the sailing vessel.


On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 18:34:53 -0700 (PDT), John
wrote:

On Oct 1, 7:33*pm, Sunny wrote:
John, at least you have something to show for your damage. I injured
the innards of my Janome 5700 horribly by accidentally using a Singer
bobbin. Ouch. I was sewing along (jerkily) and BANG, the bobbin yanked
up so hard that it yanked the needle down and bent it inside the feed
dogs. I cut the piece I was quilting *away. Total loss. I took it to
the shop and was lectured rudely about never using the wrong bobbin
again. Cost? $150 for fixing the machine -- including a new bobbin
race cuz I totally broke the old one, $15 that I'd invested in what I
was quilting that was ruined beyond belief, priceless humiliation.

I know you love Bernina machines, but I think Irene is quite right
that a Juki TL98q would handle your bags with ease. My new Janome 6600
probably could, but the Juki would do it without breaking a sweat.
Perhaps not as elegant as a Bernina, but consider the humble mule and
the work it can do that would destroy an aristocratic thoroughbred.

Sunny
butting in as usual with my opinion.

I know that the machines like the Juki and Janome 1600 are good
machines for quilting. I have had a Janome 1600 for a couple of years.
So I know what they can do. But In my talking to a number of
Industrial machine vendors, I have had my eyes opened as to their
limitations. There are Industrial machines and then there are
Industrial machines. By that I mean that some industrial machines are
meant for tailoring and clothing construction and sew at incredibly
fast speed. Like 5550 stitches per minute. That same machine is also
offered as a medium and heavyweight upholstery machine and and it sews
at about 4000 stitches per minute. They are both the same machine but
the gearing and feed dogs are completely different as is the purpose
of the machine. I talked to 5 different vendors and each one,
independently thought that for the purpose I was wanting a machine, I
would be best served by acquiring a compound walking foot machine.
That is not to say that I could not do the bags using my janome 1600,
but if I wanted to do the job with faultless and trouble free
precision, and at a faster than snails pace, that would be the best
machine for the purpose. I have tried to do these bags, and similar
types of projects, with the Janome 1600, and have come up against the
same problems that have plagued the Bernina. The thickness of fabric I
am confronting, will bend the needle if you are not careful and cause
all sorts of mayhem in the bobbin, and that is using the most
cautious and careful sewing speed that can be used. With the compound
walking foot machine, not only does the walking foot move the fabric
in sync with the feed dogs, but the needle itself moves forward toward
the person sewing, as the walking foot grabs the fabric. It plunges
into the fabric,and then moves to the rear of the machine along with
the fabric, until it reaches the end of the cycle and the comes up to
the top of it's arc and moves forward to repeat the cycle. All this
can be done at speed, without regard to being careful not to
overburden the sewing machine. It is built to do just that. This is
why I think it is the "Best" solution to this particular sewing
requirement. Could I use a Juki, Janome or Brother straight stitch. Of
course. I used the Bernina for a large batch of work of this nature
without to much of an effort on my part, other than a slow and careful
pace, until I tempted fate one to many times. I even caused a similar
problem with The Janome 1600 and bent the needle, both a #16 Jeans
needle, and #18 Needle. So you see I am well aware of the potential
for the limits of those types of machines. They are really not suited
to they type of usage I was subjecting them to. I think that by
restricting the type of fabrics I use on these bags, and careful use
of the machine, either the Bernina, or the Janome, will allow me to
continue making some form of these bags and other similar projects. I
just won't be able to do it with the speed and ease of use as I might
have I I could spring for one of the compound WF machines. Sadly, that
is not in my budget for a hobby purchase at this time. If I was going
into production on a commercial basis, then of course , I would spring
for one, as it would mean the difference between making money or
making lots of bent needles, and my machine repairman rich. While the
Domestic, High Speed machines like the Janome, Juki, and Brother are
wonderful machines. They really are not in the same league as a
dedicated purpose industrial machine. At least as far a bag
construction is concerned. That is just my, and every one of the 5
vendors opinion. Yours of course might be different, and that is what
makes the world go round. But if you think about it, why would they go
to the trouble to make all those commercial machines if a high speed
domestic machine would do just as well? Something to think about.
John

On Oct 3, 11:36*am, Bonnie Patterson
wrote:
John,
What about the machine that is sold to boat owners/people for the
repair of sails? I can't remember the name right now, but it wasn't
real expensive, came in a "portable case" and could be carried on
board the sailing vessel.

On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 18:34:53 -0700 (PDT), John

wrote:
On Oct 1, 7:33*pm, Sunny wrote:
John, at least you have something to show for your damage. I injured
the innards of my Janome 5700 horribly by accidentally using a Singer
bobbin. Ouch. I was sewing along (jerkily) and BANG, the bobbin yanked
up so hard that it yanked the needle down and bent it inside the feed
dogs. I cut the piece I was quilting *away. Total loss. I took it to
the shop and was lectured rudely about never using the wrong bobbin
again. Cost? $150 for fixing the machine -- including a new bobbin
race cuz I totally broke the old one, $15 that I'd invested in what I
was quilting that was ruined beyond belief, priceless humiliation.

I know you love Bernina machines, but I think Irene is quite right
that a Juki TL98q would handle your bags with ease. My new Janome 6600
probably could, but the Juki would do it without breaking a sweat.
Perhaps not as elegant as a Bernina, but consider the humble mule and
the work it can do that would destroy an aristocratic thoroughbred.

Sunny
butting in as usual with my opinion.

I know that the machines like the Juki and Janome 1600 are good
machines for quilting. I have had a Janome 1600 for a couple of years.
So I know what they can do. But In my talking to a number of
Industrial machine vendors, I have had my eyes opened as to their
limitations. There are Industrial machines and then there are
Industrial machines. By that I mean that some industrial machines are
meant for tailoring and clothing construction and sew at incredibly
fast speed. Like 5550 stitches per minute. That same machine is also
offered as a medium and heavyweight upholstery machine and and it sews
at about 4000 stitches per minute. They are both the same machine but
the gearing and feed dogs are completely different as is the purpose
of the machine. I talked to 5 different vendors and each one,
independently thought that for the purpose I was wanting a machine, I
would be best served by acquiring a compound walking foot machine.
That is not to say that I could not do the bags using my janome 1600,
but if I wanted to do the job with faultless and trouble free
precision, and at a faster than snails pace, that would be the best
machine for the purpose. I have tried to do these bags, and similar
types of projects, with the Janome 1600, and have come up against the
same problems that have plagued the Bernina. The thickness of fabric I
am confronting, will bend the needle if you are not careful and cause
all sorts of mayhem in the *bobbin, and that is using the most
cautious and careful sewing speed that can be used. With the compound
walking foot machine, not only does the walking foot move the fabric
in sync with the feed dogs, but the needle itself moves forward toward
the person sewing, as the walking foot grabs the fabric. It plunges
into the fabric,and then moves to the rear of the machine along with
the fabric, until it reaches the end of the cycle and the comes up to
the top of it's arc and moves forward to repeat the cycle. All this
can be done at speed, without regard to being careful not to
overburden the sewing machine. It is built to do just that. This is
why I think it is the "Best" solution to this particular sewing
requirement. Could I use a Juki, Janome or Brother straight stitch. Of
course. I used the Bernina for a large batch of work of this nature
without to much of an effort on my part, other than a slow and careful
pace, until I tempted fate one to many times. I even caused a similar
problem with The Janome 1600 and bent the needle, both a #16 Jeans
needle, and #18 Needle. So you see I am well aware of the potential
for the limits of those types of machines. They are really not suited
to they type of usage I was subjecting them to. I think that by
restricting the type of fabrics I use on these bags, and careful use
of the machine, either the Bernina, or the Janome, will allow me to
continue making some form of these bags and other similar projects. I
just won't be able to do it with the speed and ease of use as I might
have I I could spring for one of the compound WF machines. Sadly, that
is not in my budget for a hobby purchase at this time. If I was going
into production on a commercial basis, then of course , I would spring
for one, as it would mean the difference between making money or
making lots of bent needles, and my machine repairman rich. While the
Domestic, High Speed machines like the Janome, Juki, and Brother are
wonderful machines. They really are not in the same league as a
dedicated purpose industrial machine. At least as far a bag
construction is concerned. That is just my, and every one of the 5
vendors opinion. Yours of course might be different, and that is what
makes the world go round. But if you think about it, why would they go
to the trouble to make all those commercial machines if a high speed
domestic machine would do just as well? Something to think about.
John

Yea. I think it was called Sailrite. It had a couple of versions that
sell for between 6-$700. One is as walking foot machine, as that would
be certainly needed for sewing dacron sails. I have actually used on
and they are really kind of clunky. But might do for occasional use.
John