OFF TOPIC - pierced ears

Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote:
i understood that Melinda , i still think it is a strange use for that
act ,,,,,

It's probably a cultural thing.

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Yes i find it curious that people in
a relative young culture [ American/ Western/ verytechnological and
High Tech adopt a habit others before them just used a way to adorn a
body or maybe not loose the Metal they gave their children , As a
Transistional AGE rite ,,,, My interest in this was purely
Sociological, same way as i look at the More and more people who are
Baring more and more body parts in some places on the globe , while at
the same time and place[s] , more and more people COver up more and
more parts of their bodies .
I wonder why all those `traditions` `passage rites` etc,,,,, are now
so extreme , far apart ,,,,
and than again there are people who walk on the middle line taking a
bit from here and bit from there ,, Are these Middle people pushing
the Othersto become More strict ???
mirjam

Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote:
i understood that Melinda , i still think it is a strange use for that
act ,,,,,

It's probably a cultural thing.

--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:58:15 +0000, Bruce
wrote:

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My father is color blind so I'm very used to dealing with it. When my
son was born we were all curious to see if he'd gotten my dad's X
chromosome or my mother's, but of course we had to wait several years
for him to learn his colors. He appears not to be color blind.

Sara

On 11/25/07 10:06 PM, in article nLq2j.15386$XT.14275@trnddc01, "Gill
Murray" wrote:


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We just did the bra shopping thing with DD; she needed something....

Yesterday I let her wear a "solitaire" pendant I got someplace - white metal
and glass, but I had saved it just for such occasions - her needed a piece
of jewelry that looked nice enough but could be lost with no heart break.
C

Cheryl.....surely Elise can't be that grown up! Damn, I am OLD!!

G

She's not sure what she is - tom boy or a tween girl. The only two constants
are the "I want to get my ear pierced" and "I want to play goal".

C

Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote:
Yes i find it curious that people in
a relative young culture [ American/ Western/ verytechnological and
High Tech adopt a habit others before them just used a way to adorn a
body or maybe not loose the Metal they gave their children , As a
Transistional AGE rite ,,,,

Again, let me be clear he ear piercing is NOT a typical
coming-of-age rite in the US. There are, however, some who recommend
using events *LIKE* ear piercing (or other often unremarkable
privileges) as rites of passage in order to mark transitions and
stages that are largely missing for children and adolescents in US
culture.

Best wishes
Ericka

Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote:
Ericka, i understood ALL this from the very first time i read it , i
repeat it is STILL a very strange and curious idea to see EAR PIERCING
as Such a ritual ,,,, since we started this discussion i had time to
discuss it with various people here. EVERY One who heard this ,
thought it was a Joke ,,,, one asked if you [or the parents of the
child to have ears pierced] read about the History of the tradition ,
maybe travel in a pirate boat ? relate it to the way Cows have nose
rings , Speak about Slavery History ,,,,,, etc ,, A Transitional Rite
has to be prepared , studied for etc.... Nobody here saw it a way to
teach achild responsibility ,,, everybodyt said, Trend ,,,,,

Again, different cultures, different strategies. And
frankly, while there are some negative historical connotations
to ear piercing, there are also positive historical connotations
and pretty much the boat has sailed regarding those perceptions
anyway. The number of folks who see ear piercings on older girls
or women as a negative thing in the US is vanishingly small, and
it has been that way for a long time. The odds that things will
turn around and people will view them in a negative light are
pretty much slim and none.
And why would it be so odd? Pretty much every coming
of age ritual the world over has something to do with the
granting of both privileges and responsibilities appropriate to
a new stage in life. What's the virtue in granting a privilege
without taking the opportunity to associate a responsibility?

Best wishes,
Ericka

Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote:
Yes i find it curious that people in
a relative young culture [ American/ Western/ verytechnological and
High Tech adopt a habit others before them just used a way to adorn a
body or maybe not loose the Metal they gave their children

Well, a number of years ago it was a coming-of-age type of thing to give
a high school graduate their own car, too, so the meaning of having a
car changed also. But I bet those older cultures who used piercing just
to adorn their bodies didn't let children do it before a certain age.

And for a logn time in much of European/American society it was not
considered appropriate for women to wear either knee-length skirts or
slacks, but now it is. Things change.

Sociological, same way as i look at the More and more people who are
Baring more and more body parts in some places on the globe , while at
the same time and place[s] , more and more people COver up more and
more parts of their bodies .
I wonder why all those `traditions` `passage rites` etc,,,,, are now
so extreme , far apart ,,,,
and than again there are people who walk on the middle line taking a
bit from here and bit from there ,, Are these Middle people pushing
the Othersto become More strict ???

Beats me, but our family's modesty policy is to have the torso covered
at least from neck to knees with clothing that has enough ease that it
does not allow the casual observer to see one's exact body contours, but
my daughter wanted and got her ears pierced and I had no problem with
it, so the piercing thing in our case was not an issue of baring more
and more body parts, because we sure don't.


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Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.

Ericka i am not an idiot and i did understand you the first time
It is YOU who try not to understand my words ,,,
i am thinking ALOUD or in Public about Sociological events ,,
mirjam

Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote:
Yes i find it curious that people in
a relative young culture [ American/ Western/ verytechnological and
High Tech adopt a habit others before them just used a way to adorn a
body or maybe not loose the Metal they gave their children , As a
Transistional AGE rite ,,,,

Again, let me be clear he ear piercing is NOT a typical
coming-of-age rite in the US. There are, however, some who recommend
using events *LIKE* ear piercing (or other often unremarkable
privileges) as rites of passage in order to mark transitions and
stages that are largely missing for children and adolescents in US
culture.

Best wishes
Ericka

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:37:06 GMT, (Mirjam
Bruck-Cohen) wrote:
Ericka, i understood ALL this from the very first time i read it , i
repeat it is STILL a very strange and curious idea to see EAR PIERCING
as Such a ritual ,,

I think that is the center of the discussion - it is a semantics kind
of thing. The piercing of ears is more a Milestone rather than a Rite
of Passage. Others for my daughters were getting their first bra,
getting to wear light lipstick, changing curfews, etc. Each of those
carried the acknowledgement that the girls were old enough for further
responsibility regarding their own choices.

Piercing is now so common in the US that is isn't a very big deal.
This amuses me because when I got mine done - probably 1964, it had
finally come into "fashion" where it was accepted that pierced ears
didn't make you "bad" or indicate you were not a chaste woman!

Now the thing that confuses me is tattooing. We had one tattoo parlor
here in a town of 90,000 since I can remember, and it was in a rough
part of town and patronized only by scary, rough men and a few even
scarier women. The parlors started multiplying like rabbits a few
years ago and now even my 80 year old mother in law is considering a
tattoo, discreetly on her ankle!!! At the age of 55, I've reached the
point that I tolerate them but don't understand wanting a permanent
mark of ANYTHING on my body.

Fad and fashion, trends and peer pressure create the market for these
things. That does not include the odd people who think they should be
a walking canvas or pincushion. They have other issues that don't
include following a trend but in shock value. Speaking of earrings,
(back on topic), I change my earrings if I change my clothes, so how
would I ever settle on a tattoo that is permanent!!! Moni
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:37:06 GMT, (Mirjam
Bruck-Cohen) wrote:
Ericka, i understood ALL this from the very first time i read it , i
repeat it is STILL a very strange and curious idea to see EAR PIERCING
as Such a ritual ,,

I think that is the center of the discussion - it is a semantics kind
of thing. The piercing of ears is more a Milestone rather than a Rite
of Passage. Others for my daughters were getting their first bra,
getting to wear light lipstick, changing curfews, etc. Each of those
carried the acknowledgement that the girls were old enough for further
responsibility regarding their own choices.

Piercing is now so common in the US that is isn't a very big deal.
This amuses me because when I got mine done - probably 1964, it had
finally come into "fashion" where it was accepted that pierced ears
didn't make you "bad" or indicate you were not a chaste woman!

Now the thing that confuses me is tattooing. We had one tattoo parlor
here in a town of 90,000 since I can remember, and it was in a rough
part of town and patronized only by scary, rough men and a few even
scarier women. The parlors started multiplying like rabbits a few
years ago and now even my 80 year old mother in law is considering a
tattoo, discreetly on her ankle!!! At the age of 55, I've reached the
point that I tolerate them but don't understand wanting a permanent
mark of ANYTHING on my body.

Fad and fashion, trends and peer pressure create the market for these
things. That does not include the odd people who think they should be
a walking canvas or pincushion. They have other issues that don't
include following a trend but in shock value. Speaking of earrings,
(back on topic), I change my earrings if I change my clothes, so how
would I ever settle on a tattoo that is permanent!!! Moni
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Like you I have lots of different colors and styles of earrings and I'm
lucky and have no problem with silver, which is relatively inexpensive

I have a different concern about tattoos. They look pretty on young,
smooth perfect bodies but what will they look like years from now. I always
have this vision in my head of a dead, droopy looking rose or a heart that
looks like it's bleeding because the body it's on is wrinkled.

L