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Amen, sister.
-- http://community.webshots.com/user/snigdibbly SNIGDIBBLY ~e~ " / \ http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/snigdibbly. http://www.ebaystores.com/snigdibbly...ox&refid=store "the black rose" wrote in message ... teleflora wrote: You're not a victim here, Julia. You started it. You hurt Tina's feelings and even AFTER you knew you hurt Tina's feelings, you did nothing to make the situation better. You could have slapped her hand privately, but you chose to do it in public. There was no, "Hey, Tina, I know you are excited but darlin, you really should get the names of the people who made those beautiful quilts before you put their pictures up". Or even, "let's not forget that some people don't want pictures of their creations posted for all the world to see". I find it odd that I saw pictures of beautiful quilts and you saw copywrite infringement. You chose not to go the friendly, gentle route. You don't get to whine now that people have been mean to you. I'm still waiting for the apology for the ghastly, breathtakingly heartless remarks Lia made in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. -- the black rose Research Associate in the Field of Child Development and Human Relations http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts 2005 BOMs: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/blackrosequilts/my_photos -------- __o ----- -\. -------- __o --- ( )/ ( ) ---- -\. -------------------- ( )/ ( ) ----------------------------------------- |
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What is going on here? Was: this newsgroup
Been offline for a few days and I find a controversy. Yet another person is
leaving the group. And a bunch of people are telling her 'good riddance'. So, I Google everything I can to find what could possibly have happened. And I am appalled. Comments inline: "teleflora" wrote in message news:Af87f.19996$eW1.4090@okepread04... You're not a victim here, Julia. You started it. You hurt Tina's feelings and even AFTER you knew you hurt Tina's feelings, you did nothing to make the situation better. What should she have done? Her initial comment wasn't rude. It was simply straightforward. You could have slapped her hand privately, but you chose to do it in public. What happens in the newsgroup STAYS in the newsgroup. From what I can see, it was PRIVATE email messages that have caused the pain. "Julia Altshuler" wrote in message ... I don't know when I've cried so hard as I did when I read my email last night. Me, I avoid sending to someones private email box unless they ask, or they have a personal issue with ME. There was no, "Hey, Tina, I know you are excited but darlin, you really should get the names of the people who made those beautiful quilts before you put their pictures up". Or even, "let's not forget that some people don't want pictures of their creations posted for all the world to see". I find it odd that I saw pictures of beautiful quilts and you saw copywrite infringement. I'm gonna guess *YOUR* way of making a living doesn't include 'intellectual property'. Believe me, artists, writers, photographers, designers, computer programmers, etc. find copyright infringement a sensitive issue. When you work hard to create something beautiful and original and you make your living from that work, it is hard to understand how people could NOT be sensitive to piracy issues. You chose not to go the friendly, gentle route. You don't get to whine now that people have been mean to you. Yes, she DOES get to whine. Because being mean is uncalled for. Tina apologized for violating copyright, but I didn't see any post from her that said she felt attacked. What about Tina's reply "I agree, the artist/designer would want their name credited to their work. I would like that myself also. I would also like to give each one credit for their work and DO still intend to go back and put the names of the quilts and their creator on them, in my private album, for my future reference. Thank you for the info. though - will definitely keep it for future reference" gave you the impression that Tina felt attacked and needed defending? For such a large and diverse population, this group surely has less bickering than any other group I've been associated with. I think having a love of an artform like we do, transcends most silliness we might otherwise engage in. Sometimes, some of us try to be funny and it comes across as sarcasm. Lia's comment was "Gosh, you don't suppose any of the people who made those fabulous quilts would like to have their names and credits put along side their work when the photographs were published without their permission, do you?" That struck you as evil? Please, enlighten the group as to the difference between when 'some of us' try to be funny (evidentally allowed) and when OTHERS of us are sarcastic. Would it be funny or sarcastic if I had taken the obvious bait when you stated "For such a large and diverse population, this group surely has less bickering than any other group I've been associated with"? Is there a list somewhere of just WHO is allowed to get away with being painful? Mea culpa. But I try to be quick to appoligize. You owe one to Lia. You publicly bashed her for the 'offense' of standing up for others copyright LEGAL rights. You called her a whiner for complaining about private harassment. Re-read your comment "You hurt Tina's feelings and even AFTER you knew you hurt Tina's feelings, you did nothing to make the situation better." Now, substitute Lia's name and recognize YOURSELF as the abuser. You are, quite simply, in the wrong. |
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"the black rose" wrote in message
... teleflora wrote: You're not a victim here, Julia. You started it. You hurt Tina's feelings and even AFTER you knew you hurt Tina's feelings, you did nothing to make the situation better. You could have slapped her hand privately, but you chose to do it in public. There was no, "Hey, Tina, I know you are excited but darlin, you really should get the names of the people who made those beautiful quilts before you put their pictures up". Or even, "let's not forget that some people don't want pictures of their creations posted for all the world to see". I find it odd that I saw pictures of beautiful quilts and you saw copywrite infringement. You chose not to go the friendly, gentle route. You don't get to whine now that people have been mean to you. I'm still waiting for the apology for the ghastly, breathtakingly heartless remarks Lia made in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. Stop waiting. Lia addressed the criticism aimed at her in her post in August "I stand by what I said: that comparing the devastation from Katrina to that of the tsunami is insensitive. Perhaps others are reading something into what I wrote that I'm not seeing." You may not agree with that. But your disagreement does not transform her comment into a "ghastly, breathtakingly heartless remark" any more than Lia's opinion transforms the victims who feel "This is our Tsunami." into people insensitive of what happened in Asia. Comparisons are sometimes useful, often dangerous and painful. Some are sure to get a knee-jerk reaction. They include among other things comparing one natural disaster to another, comparing the loss of a loved one to someone else's loss, and comparing acts of genocide (including anything vs. the Holocaust). Because, to an individual, their pain is the BIGGEST pain. With that view in mind, re-read Lia's posts. |
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What is going on here? Was: this newsgroup
hope Lia is not leaving. yes, her comment was sarcastic, yes, she could
have said it differently. but she did not deserve being called the things she was called. and from what I read (unless there were other messages exchanged privately that I am not aware of, or I am missing emails), it wasn't Tina that insulted her. Lisa C wrote: Been offline for a few days and I find a controversy. Yet another person is leaving the group. And a bunch of people are telling her 'good riddance'. So, I Google everything I can to find what could possibly have happened. And I am appalled. -- Dr. Quilter http://community.webshots.com/user/mvignali (take the dog out for a walk) |
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