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Old May 26th 04, 02:52 AM
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norma woods opined thusly:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but one of the guys had his hat on, and I would
swear that I saw the join in the hat. I think it was knitted flat, and sewn
together after. It was a pale colour.


It's entirely possible that one or more of the caps worn on the show were
knitted flat. I haven't noticed any like that, but I've also not seen every
minute of every episode. I did sit and re-read about the traditional Monmouth
caps today though. They were definately knit in the round.

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Old May 26th 04, 04:21 AM
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Okay. I accept that DPNs were around at lot earlier than I thought. I
am having a little trouble accepting that they were FIRST..but that is
okay.. You know of what you speak, and I humbly take it as it must be
true. I STILL think I can do this....with the decreases and
shaped....as _I_ saw the hats on T.V. I don't know ANYTHING about
"Monmouth" hats or anything else. Just liked the "look" of the
hat...and don't see any "big deal" about how it might have been
accomoplished in the 1600's...I'm just interested in a hat that LOOKs
like those hats...and can be done with a STRAGHT needle. And I
THINK...but am not postitive ...it can!!!! I could be all wet! I sure
apprecriate those of you who are interested in my little effort....and
if I DO pull it off...I will take copious notes and let you know.

I just love to expand my mind. If I was wrong about DPNs and
circular..my apologies. Thank GOD there are straight needles now,
because if there weren't...I could not physically knit!!!!

Emma

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Old May 26th 04, 06:38 AM
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I followed this discussion with Surprise ,, Emma
you might read some Older books and see a lot of methods ,,
By the way The Famous`Knitting Madona `s all painted in the 15th
century , at least one knitts a shirt`s neck with LONG dp s
mirjam

Okay. I accept that DPNs were around at lot earlier than I thought. I
am having a little trouble accepting that they were FIRST..but that is
okay.. You know of what you speak, and I humbly take it as it must be
true. I STILL think I can do this....with the decreases and
shaped....as _I_ saw the hats on T.V. I don't know ANYTHING about
"Monmouth" hats or anything else. Just liked the "look" of the
hat...and don't see any "big deal" about how it might have been
accomoplished in the 1600's...I'm just interested in a hat that LOOKs
like those hats...and can be done with a STRAGHT needle. And I
THINK...but am not postitive ...it can!!!! I could be all wet! I sure
apprecriate those of you who are interested in my little effort....and
if I DO pull it off...I will take copious notes and let you know.

I just love to expand my mind. If I was wrong about DPNs and
circular..my apologies. Thank GOD there are straight needles now,
because if there weren't...I could not physically knit!!!!

Emma


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Old May 26th 04, 07:18 AM
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In article ,
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I STILL think I can do this....with the decreases and
shaped....as _I_ saw the hats on T.V. I don't know ANYTHING about
"Monmouth" hats or anything else. Just liked the "look" of the
hat...and don't see any "big deal" about how it might have been
accomplished in the 1600's...I'm just interested in a hat that LOOKs
like those hats...and can be done with a STRAGHT needle. And I
THINK...but am not positive ...it can!!!!


Sure it can. People knit socks and gloves on button-ended knitting
needles and sew them together, and I know there are hat patterns out
there too. A search for a "two-needle beanie" might bring up something
helpful.

if I DO pull it off...I will take copious notes and let you know.


Great! I'm sure other two-needle knitters will appreciate your work.

=Tamar
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Old May 26th 04, 07:29 AM
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In article ,
Dawn wrote:
What do these Colonial House hats look like?


The Monmouth cap is a small skullcap, like a beanie or watch cap, but
instead of ribbing it has a double-thickness edge. It is made in fairly
heavy yarn, worsted weight or even heavier. There's a little bump or
button on the middle of the top, and a small loop at the edge that can
be hitched over the button to make a kind of small impromptu pocket.

There's another 17th century knitted hat that some people think may be a
variation on the Monmouth cap; it's taller and has a brim that seems to
hold its shape and stick out flat, sort of like a bowler hat. Peter the
Great brought a couple of them home to Russia after he spent some time
working in the Netherlands (if I recall correctly).

There's a third type that is like the second kind with a floppier brim
that hangs down and gives the hat a bell shape.

All of them were knitted out of wool and then fulled but not usually
completely felted. Some might have been felted too.

=Tamar
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Old May 26th 04, 01:29 PM
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opined thusly:

Okay. I accept that DPNs were around at lot earlier than I thought. I
am having a little trouble accepting that they were FIRST..but that is
okay.. You know of what you speak, and I humbly take it as it must be
true. I STILL think I can do this....with the decreases and
shaped....as _I_ saw the hats on T.V. I don't know ANYTHING about
"Monmouth" hats or anything else. Just liked the "look" of the
hat...and don't see any "big deal" about how it might have been
accomoplished in the 1600's...I'm just interested in a hat that LOOKs
like those hats...and can be done with a STRAGHT needle. And I
THINK...but am not postitive ...it can!!!! I could be all wet! I sure
apprecriate those of you who are interested in my little effort....and
if I DO pull it off...I will take copious notes and let you know.

I just love to expand my mind. If I was wrong about DPNs and
circular..my apologies. Thank GOD there are straight needles now,
because if there weren't...I could not physically knit!!!!

Emma


Designing your own beanie style hats done on straight needles should be a
fun and enjoyable project for you. :-)

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Old May 26th 04, 02:56 PM
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Hi Dawn, they are basically just a toque.

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Norma
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"Dawn" wrote in message
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What do these Colonial House hats look like?

Dawn
New Brunswick, Canada

wrote in message
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I think I can do it..and WITHOUT circular needles, "provisional cast
ons" or DPNs!!!!!! Yes I DO!!!! And...if you folks will give me about
12 days (since I am still finishing my "bee stitch" top..which will take
another 2 or 3 days, since I have Bible study tomorrow)...I will SHOW
you...and write out the pattern!!!!! Okay....let's say _14_ days. But
I KNOW what to do. AND...I doubt seriously ..seriously!.....there were
any DPNs in the Colonial days. IN fact...I think I'd just about bank on
it. Those folks back then couldn't and wouldn't deal with such details.
They were lucky to get any sort of knitting needle at all..and I am
pretty sure "double pointed needles" were NOT part of their experience.
I think that that system..the DPN... was probably invented MUCH later by
people who had idle time and fiddled and played..and found it
successful. But NOT in the Colonial times.

I think DPNs came along...if I recall correctly...a couple of hundred
years later....after the 1600's.

What do ya think? You interested??

Emma





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Old May 26th 04, 02:58 PM
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Sorry Dawn, I should have said a toque that is shaped to the head with
decreases.

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In article ,
wrote:

I STILL think I can do this....with the decreases and
shaped....as _I_ saw the hats on T.V. I don't know ANYTHING about
"Monmouth" hats or anything else. Just liked the "look" of the
hat...and don't see any "big deal" about how it might have been
accomplished in the 1600's...I'm just interested in a hat that LOOKs
like those hats...and can be done with a STRAGHT needle. And I
THINK...but am not positive ...it can!!!!


Sure it can. People knit socks and gloves on button-ended knitting
needles and sew them together, and I know there are hat patterns out
there too. A search for a "two-needle beanie" might bring up something
helpful.

if I DO pull it off...I will take copious notes and let you know.


Great! I'm sure other two-needle knitters will appreciate your work.

=Tamar



  #20  
Old May 26th 04, 04:00 PM
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Absolutely such caps can be made flat, either on straight needles or peg
looms. It just seems that the examples that the patterns on the web were
written from were done circular, so that's what the authenticity freaks
will need to do. Anyway, there are a lot of people out there who vastly
prefer knitting circular to doing any sort of seaming. Or are you
thinking in terms of double knitting on straights?

| On Tue, 25 May 2004 23:21:29 -0400, wrote:

Okay. I accept that DPNs were around at lot earlier than I thought. I
am having a little trouble accepting that they were FIRST..but that is
okay.. You know of what you speak, and I humbly take it as it must be
true. I STILL think I can do this....with the decreases and
shaped....as _I_ saw the hats on T.V. I don't know ANYTHING about
"Monmouth" hats or anything else. Just liked the "look" of the
hat...and don't see any "big deal" about how it might have been
accomoplished in the 1600's...I'm just interested in a hat that LOOKs
like those hats...and can be done with a STRAGHT needle. And I
THINK...but am not postitive ...it can!!!! I could be all wet! I sure
apprecriate those of you who are interested in my little effort....and
if I DO pull it off...I will take copious notes and let you know.

I just love to expand my mind. If I was wrong about DPNs and
circular..my apologies. Thank GOD there are straight needles now,
because if there weren't...I could not physically knit!!!!

Emma


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