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Mirjam - how are you?
"Rosemary Peeler" wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:00:44 -0000, "Pat P" wrote: "Rosemary Peeler" wrote in message . .. I'm finding some of this conversation a bit bizarre. I think there are cultural differences going on here. Tone of voice may be what makes something insulting and it's a bit hard to pick tone of voice from something typed. As an Aussie, I don't find the sort of shortened nationalities that Jim used insulting. In my family we also said Methos, Pressies, Bappoes, RCs etc. They're just nicknames to me. Rosemary Don`t forget the Wallabies. Nothing insulting there! Pat I'd be a bit reluctant to insult the Wallabies. Rosemary LOL! Me too - but some countries would get a bit hot under the collar if you named them after one of their more common animals. :-) Pat |
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On 1/14/09 10:27 PM, " wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:42*pm, Cheryl Isaak wrote: On 1/14/09 1:50 PM, in article , " wrote: On Jan 14, 6:11*am, Cheryl Isaak wrote: On 1/13/09 5:04 PM, in article , "ellice" wrote: On 1/12/09 9:39 AM, *"Cheryl Isaak" wrote: On 1/11/09 10:15 AM, in article , "ellice" wrote: On 1/10/09 7:51 PM, *"Cheryl Isaak" wrote: On 1/10/09 10:32 AM, in article , "ellice" wrote: On 1/10/09 9:34 AM, *"Cheryl Isaak" wrote: On 1/10/09 9:21 AM, in article , "ellice" wrote: SNIP I was trying to explain to DS why what Avery said was just plain wrong. No doubt he was trying to enrage Phaneuf, but it was wrong, disgusting and just plain mean spirited. I would hope that DS gets it - the whole comment was derogatory towards women, his ex-girlfriend, and just stupid. *The guy is clearly an ass, and a dirty, whiny guy on the ice. His take is that if Bettman isn't handing down big penalties to Ruutu or Bertuzzi for intent to injury, or to players calling each other all manner of nasty things, then his reaction to Avery is over the top. Name calling, whether it is girlfriend, wife, mother or sister is just not in the same league as trying to bite someone's finger off. I guess it's hard to explain decorum, generally disgusting behavior - while not a physical issue is still disgraceful. *Parallel track of bad. Oh - he accepts what Avery said is bad - is just that it appears that he was singled out for over the top punishment. That some one that did something equally bad isn't getting the equivalent punishment. I won't quote DearSon, but it was along the lines that Ruutu got his knuckles whacked with a ruler while Avery lost significant pieces of anatomy C Ah. *I think the issue with Avery has to do with the venue of his lack of judgement. *His punishment from the team is there choice - most of them have morals, behaviour, media clauses in their contracts. * *The fact that the guy is so stupid as to not apologize or recognize his lack of couth, well.... And with a league trying to show its cleaned up image, recruit fans, etc. *There are reasonable rules in place to deal with codified misbehaviou - like Ruutu's - it's the things that go over the line - whether it's spitting or public asinine statements that open a player up to different, or seemingly harsher, punitive measures. Don't forget, he is, to some extent of product the Clinton years where sexual misconduct was ignored or condoned. I can, sort of, see his point. C Umm, I think you go too far in just putting this on the Clinton years. *It's symptomatic of the lack of manners, judgement, couth, that ramped up in the 80s and continued in the 90s. *This guy was what - barely a teen in the Clinton years. *He's just a jerk who evidently never learned much in the way of manners from his parents and whatever education he has. *And hasn't learned any with the money he's made, either. Ellice I meant DS and his generations odd attitude about certain parts of sex - but you're right about Avery. How can you blame Clinton for DS? *He was what, 9 when Clinton left office? *Please. Elizabeth I merely mean that many of the teens seem to have a strange sense of about what is and isn't sex. And that is despite parents' best efforts. And yes, to some extant Clinton is to blame as much as other parts of the mass culture. No way, hon. I grew up with people who had that same sense of what is and isn't sex and it was long before Clinton. How do you think HE got that idea? Elizabeth LOL - you just made me remember my "summer camp" boyfriend - when I was 14 - going into my last year of high school, and he was entering his sophomore year at uni. Thought I was older - but still - he had some interesting idea of what was and wasn't sex.....Uh huh. It didn't quite work the way he would've liked. One of our casual friends was a Rhodes scholar same time as Clinton. Her take - he was a "hound then, a hound now" . Ellice |
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On Jan 15, 9:46*am, ellice wrote:
On 1/14/09 10:27 PM, " wrote: On Jan 14, 8:42*pm, Cheryl Isaak wrote: On 1/14/09 1:50 PM, in article , " wrote: On Jan 14, 6:11*am, Cheryl Isaak wrote: On 1/13/09 5:04 PM, in article , "ellice" wrote: On 1/12/09 9:39 AM, *"Cheryl Isaak" wrote: On 1/11/09 10:15 AM, in article , "ellice" wrote: On 1/10/09 7:51 PM, *"Cheryl Isaak" wrote: On 1/10/09 10:32 AM, in article , "ellice" wrote: On 1/10/09 9:34 AM, *"Cheryl Isaak" wrote: On 1/10/09 9:21 AM, in article , "ellice" wrote: SNIP I was trying to explain to DS why what Avery said was just plain wrong. No doubt he was trying to enrage Phaneuf, but it was wrong, disgusting and just plain mean spirited. I would hope that DS gets it - the whole comment was derogatory towards women, his ex-girlfriend, and just stupid. *The guy is clearly an ass, and a dirty, whiny guy on the ice. His take is that if Bettman isn't handing down big penalties to Ruutu or Bertuzzi for intent to injury, or to players calling each other all manner of nasty things, then his reaction to Avery is over the top. Name calling, whether it is girlfriend, wife, mother or sister is just not in the same league as trying to bite someone's finger off. I guess it's hard to explain decorum, generally disgusting behavior - while not a physical issue is still disgraceful. *Parallel track of bad. Oh - he accepts what Avery said is bad - is just that it appears that he was singled out for over the top punishment. That some one that did something equally bad isn't getting the equivalent punishment. I won't quote DearSon, but it was along the lines that Ruutu got his knuckles whacked with a ruler while Avery lost significant pieces of anatomy C Ah. *I think the issue with Avery has to do with the venue of his lack of judgement. *His punishment from the team is there choice - most of them have morals, behaviour, media clauses in their contracts. * *The fact that the guy is so stupid as to not apologize or recognize his lack of couth, well.... And with a league trying to show its cleaned up image, recruit fans, etc. *There are reasonable rules in place to deal with codified misbehaviou - like Ruutu's - it's the things that go over the line - whether it's spitting or public asinine statements that open a player up to different, or seemingly harsher, punitive measures. Don't forget, he is, to some extent of product the Clinton years where sexual misconduct was ignored or condoned. I can, sort of, see his point. C Umm, I think you go too far in just putting this on the Clinton years. *It's symptomatic of the lack of manners, judgement, couth, that ramped up in the 80s and continued in the 90s. *This guy was what - barely a teen in the Clinton years. *He's just a jerk who evidently never learned much in the way of manners from his parents and whatever education he has. *And hasn't learned any with the money he's made, either. Ellice I meant DS and his generations odd attitude about certain parts of sex - but you're right about Avery. How can you blame Clinton for DS? *He was what, 9 when Clinton left office? *Please. Elizabeth I merely mean that many of the teens seem to have a strange sense of about what is and isn't sex. And that is despite parents' best efforts. And yes, to some extant Clinton is to blame as much as other parts of the mass culture. No way, hon. *I grew up with people who had that same sense of what is and isn't sex and it was long before Clinton. *How do you think HE got that idea? Elizabeth LOL - you just made me remember my "summer camp" boyfriend - when I was 14 - going into my last year of high school, and he was entering his sophomore year at uni. *Thought I was older - but still - he had some interesting idea of what was and wasn't sex.....Uh huh. *It didn't quite work the way he would've liked. One of our casual friends was a Rhodes scholar same time as Clinton. *Her take - he was a "hound then, a hound now" . Right, but he certainly was not the originator of the idea that anything short of intercourse isn't sex. That was pretty much the accepted definition among the kids when I was in high school and college. Always amazed me what girls thought they could do and not be in danger of getting pregnant - wrong! Elizabeth |
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... On Jan 15, 9:46 am, ellice wrote: On 1/14/09 10:27 PM, " wrote: On Jan 14, 8:42 pm, Cheryl Isaak wrote: On 1/14/09 1:50 PM, in article , " wrote: On Jan 14, 6:11 am, Cheryl Isaak wrote: On 1/13/09 5:04 PM, in article , "ellice" wrote: On 1/12/09 9:39 AM, "Cheryl Isaak" wrote: On 1/11/09 10:15 AM, in article , "ellice" wrote: On 1/10/09 7:51 PM, "Cheryl Isaak" wrote: On 1/10/09 10:32 AM, in article , "ellice" wrote: On 1/10/09 9:34 AM, "Cheryl Isaak" wrote: On 1/10/09 9:21 AM, in article , "ellice" wrote: SNIP I was trying to explain to DS why what Avery said was just plain wrong. No doubt he was trying to enrage Phaneuf, but it was wrong, disgusting and just plain mean spirited. I would hope that DS gets it - the whole comment was derogatory towards women, his ex-girlfriend, and just stupid. The guy is clearly an ass, and a dirty, whiny guy on the ice. His take is that if Bettman isn't handing down big penalties to Ruutu or Bertuzzi for intent to injury, or to players calling each other all manner of nasty things, then his reaction to Avery is over the top. Name calling, whether it is girlfriend, wife, mother or sister is just not in the same league as trying to bite someone's finger off. I guess it's hard to explain decorum, generally disgusting behavior - while not a physical issue is still disgraceful. Parallel track of bad. Oh - he accepts what Avery said is bad - is just that it appears that he was singled out for over the top punishment. That some one that did something equally bad isn't getting the equivalent punishment. I won't quote DearSon, but it was along the lines that Ruutu got his knuckles whacked with a ruler while Avery lost significant pieces of anatomy C Ah. I think the issue with Avery has to do with the venue of his lack of judgement. His punishment from the team is there choice - most of them have morals, behaviour, media clauses in their contracts. The fact that the guy is so stupid as to not apologize or recognize his lack of couth, well.... And with a league trying to show its cleaned up image, recruit fans, etc. There are reasonable rules in place to deal with codified misbehaviou - like Ruutu's - it's the things that go over the line - whether it's spitting or public asinine statements that open a player up to different, or seemingly harsher, punitive measures. Don't forget, he is, to some extent of product the Clinton years where sexual misconduct was ignored or condoned. I can, sort of, see his point. C Umm, I think you go too far in just putting this on the Clinton years. It's symptomatic of the lack of manners, judgement, couth, that ramped up in the 80s and continued in the 90s. This guy was what - barely a teen in the Clinton years. He's just a jerk who evidently never learned much in the way of manners from his parents and whatever education he has. And hasn't learned any with the money he's made, either. Ellice I meant DS and his generations odd attitude about certain parts of sex - but you're right about Avery. How can you blame Clinton for DS? He was what, 9 when Clinton left office? Please. Elizabeth I merely mean that many of the teens seem to have a strange sense of about what is and isn't sex. And that is despite parents' best efforts. And yes, to some extant Clinton is to blame as much as other parts of the mass culture. No way, hon. I grew up with people who had that same sense of what is and isn't sex and it was long before Clinton. How do you think HE got that idea? Elizabeth LOL - you just made me remember my "summer camp" boyfriend - when I was 14 - going into my last year of high school, and he was entering his sophomore year at uni. Thought I was older - but still - he had some interesting idea of what was and wasn't sex.....Uh huh. It didn't quite work the way he would've liked. One of our casual friends was a Rhodes scholar same time as Clinton. Her take - he was a "hound then, a hound now" . Right, but he certainly was not the originator of the idea that anything short of intercourse isn't sex. That was pretty much the accepted definition among the kids when I was in high school and college. Always amazed me what girls thought they could do and not be in danger of getting pregnant - wrong! Elizabeth Even back in the relatively buttoned up, no sex before marriage, morals of the 50's that was true of oh too many teenagers. Lucille |
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"lucretia borgia" wrote in message
... On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:55:54 -0500, "lucille" opined: One of our casual friends was a Rhodes scholar same time as Clinton. Her take - he was a "hound then, a hound now" . Right, but he certainly was not the originator of the idea that anything short of intercourse isn't sex. That was pretty much the accepted definition among the kids when I was in high school and college. Always amazed me what girls thought they could do and not be in danger of getting pregnant - wrong! Elizabeth Even back in the relatively buttoned up, no sex before marriage, morals of the 50's that was true of oh too many teenagers. Lucille That and the myth that one could not get pregnant if one had sex standing up lol Listen you three - how about editing the posts a bit ? Some people are still on dial up and have to download all the bits that should be gone. Good thinking. I'll try to remember |
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On Jan 15, 1:07*pm, lucretia borgia
wrote: Listen you three - how about editing the posts a bit ? *Some people are still on dial up and have to download all the bits that should be gone. * I apologize. I was much better about that when I had a real newsreader. Google shows so little of the post in the window that I tend to forget until after I press send. Elizabeth |
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