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how to repair "plaited chain" ??
Dear group,
I can't find anything though Google. My best friend handed me her plaited bracelet which had an odd kink in it. In a moment of madness I set to "repair" it but ended up with two halves and a few spare links. Can anyone please point me to a diagram somewhere explaining how to plait wire links ? "puzzled" of Bristol, UK |
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brugnospamsia wrote:
... Can anyone please point me to a diagram somewhere explaining how to plait wire links ? There are roughly forty-leven different ways it could be done, depends on the chain. Post a scan of the chain and links on the web and we can have a look. -- If you try to 'reply' to me without fixing the dot, your reply will go into a 'special' mailbox reserved for spam. See below. -- Carl West http://carl.west.home.comcast.net change the 'DOT' to '.' to email me "Clutter"? This is an object-rich environment. |
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"Carl West" wrote in message ... brugnospamsia wrote: ... Can anyone please point me to a diagram somewhere explaining how to plait wire links ? There are roughly forty-leven different ways it could be done, depends on the chain. Post a scan of the chain and links on the web and we can have a look. great - I'll go take a photo of it and get back to you thanks "brugnospamsia" |
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Here's my first attempt at a photo - focus isn't great I'm afraid - was in
too much of a hurry. http://uk.geocities.com/gentlegreengiant/chain.JPG =================================== "brugnospamsia" wrote in message ... "Carl West" wrote in message ... brugnospamsia wrote: ... Can anyone please point me to a diagram somewhere explaining how to plait wire links ? There are roughly forty-leven different ways it could be done, depends on the chain. Post a scan of the chain and links on the web and we can have a look. great - I'll go take a photo of it and get back to you thanks "brugnospamsia" |
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:03:20 GMT, "brugmansia"
wrote: Here's my first attempt at a photo - focus isn't great I'm afraid - was in too much of a hurry. http://uk.geocities.com/gentlegreengiant/chain.JPG That's chain mail(le), I wouldn't call it "plaited." Google for chain mail and see which weave that is (I know it's not Byzantine). =============================== "brugnospamsia" wrote in message .. . "Carl West" wrote in message ... brugnospamsia wrote: ... Can anyone please point me to a diagram somewhere explaining how to plait wire links ? There are roughly forty-leven different ways it could be done, depends on the chain. Post a scan of the chain and links on the web and we can have a look. great - I'll go take a photo of it and get back to you thanks "brugnospamsia" -- Marilee J. Layman G.W. Bush says "results count!" That's why I'm voting for Kerry |
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That's chain mail(le), I wouldn't call it "plaited." Google for chain
mail and see which weave that is (I know it's not Byzantine). thanks :-) it helps to get the terminology right ! ======================== "Marilee J. Layman" wrote in message ... On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:03:20 GMT, "brugmansia" wrote: Here's my first attempt at a photo - focus isn't great I'm afraid - was in too much of a hurry. http://uk.geocities.com/gentlegreengiant/chain.JPG That's chain mail(le), I wouldn't call it "plaited." Google for chain mail and see which weave that is (I know it's not Byzantine). =============================== "brugnospamsia" wrote in message .. . "Carl West" wrote in message ... brugnospamsia wrote: ... Can anyone please point me to a diagram somewhere explaining how to plait wire links ? There are roughly forty-leven different ways it could be done, depends on the chain. Post a scan of the chain and links on the web and we can have a look. great - I'll go take a photo of it and get back to you thanks "brugnospamsia" -- Marilee J. Layman G.W. Bush says "results count!" That's why I'm voting for Kerry |
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brugmansia wrote:
My best friend handed me her plaited bracelet which had an odd kink in it. In a moment of madness I set to "repair" it but ended up with two halves and a few spare links. ..... Here's my first attempt at a photo - focus isn't great I'm afraid - was in too much of a hurry. http://uk.geocities.com/gentlegreengiant/chain.JPG You're going to need two pair of pliers with smooth jaws. Practice with the 'spare' links to learn to close them nicely. Basic technique: Hold the link so you're looking through the hole the ends are at 12:00, you are gripping at 9:00 and 3:00 instead of just trying to push the ends together (they'll just spring apart) twist them toward and away from you and push 'in' to make it so they each go a little past center and stay that way then twist them away and toward you just enough to make the ends line up. You'll have to overshoot a little then back them down. You should find that the ends now press against each other. When you've got that: Look very carefully at the chain, it appears that the cycle is four links long. This means that when you are adding a link, you need to mimic the interlinking of the one four from the end You'll find that links are open either left-handed-or right-handed. which is which doesn't matter, but I'm sure that you'll find that one or the other is easier to link into the chain in any particular situation Ideally you'll make a bunch of large links out of stout insulated copper wire and practice with them until you understand and can re-create the linking pattern in the bracelet. Once you've bent your head around the pattern, the repair will become obvious. This is about as good an answer as I think I can give, trying to actually explain the minutia of the repair would take many pages of text and some number of photographs. Even then it might not be enough, chain repair is a very spatial/kinetic/visual activity that is not easily rendered on the page. OR, find the nearest SCA group (http://www.sca.org/geography/welcome.html) and ask if there's someone adept at chainmail repair. Ask to see their work before handing them your bracelet. Look for signs of cleverness beyond straight, flat 4-in-1 mail. Things like seams at angles, 'woven'-in designs or samples of 'fancy' chains (byzantine, queen's, &cetera) can be considered signs of cleverness. Be sure they'll use non-marking pliers. Where are you anyway? - Carl aka Meister Frydherik Eysenkopf, OL &c. in the SCA -- If you try to 'reply' to me without fixing the dot, your reply will go into a 'special' mailbox reserved for spam. See below. -- Carl West http://carl.west.home.comcast.net change the 'DOT' to '.' to email me "Clutter"? This is an object-rich environment. |
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Where are you anyway? West Dragonshire (Insulae Draconis Region) in the Kingdom of Drachenwald apparently :-) I've always known it as Bristol, South west UK I hadn't thought of this source of arcane knowledge. I used to have a colleague who spent her spare time as a sorceress and making costumes. thanks for all the info Jeremy aka "Brugmansia" aka "Brugnospamsia" ========================= "Carl West" wrote in message ... brugmansia wrote: My best friend handed me her plaited bracelet which had an odd kink in it. In a moment of madness I set to "repair" it but ended up with two halves and a few spare links. .... Here's my first attempt at a photo - focus isn't great I'm afraid - was in too much of a hurry. http://uk.geocities.com/gentlegreengiant/chain.JPG You're going to need two pair of pliers with smooth jaws. Practice with the 'spare' links to learn to close them nicely. Basic technique: Hold the link so you're looking through the hole the ends are at 12:00, you are gripping at 9:00 and 3:00 instead of just trying to push the ends together (they'll just spring apart) twist them toward and away from you and push 'in' to make it so they each go a little past center and stay that way then twist them away and toward you just enough to make the ends line up. You'll have to overshoot a little then back them down. You should find that the ends now press against each other. When you've got that: Look very carefully at the chain, it appears that the cycle is four links long. This means that when you are adding a link, you need to mimic the interlinking of the one four from the end You'll find that links are open either left-handed-or right-handed. which is which doesn't matter, but I'm sure that you'll find that one or the other is easier to link into the chain in any particular situation Ideally you'll make a bunch of large links out of stout insulated copper wire and practice with them until you understand and can re-create the linking pattern in the bracelet. Once you've bent your head around the pattern, the repair will become obvious. This is about as good an answer as I think I can give, trying to actually explain the minutia of the repair would take many pages of text and some number of photographs. Even then it might not be enough, chain repair is a very spatial/kinetic/visual activity that is not easily rendered on the page. OR, find the nearest SCA group (http://www.sca.org/geography/welcome.html) and ask if there's someone adept at chainmail repair. Ask to see their work before handing them your bracelet. Look for signs of cleverness beyond straight, flat 4-in-1 mail. Things like seams at angles, 'woven'-in designs or samples of 'fancy' chains (byzantine, queen's, &cetera) can be considered signs of cleverness. Be sure they'll use non-marking pliers. Where are you anyway? - Carl aka Meister Frydherik Eysenkopf, OL &c. in the SCA -- If you try to 'reply' to me without fixing the dot, your reply will go into a 'special' mailbox reserved for spam. See below. -- Carl West http://carl.west.home.comcast.net change the 'DOT' to '.' to email me "Clutter"? This is an object-rich environment. |
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Try looking at www.mailleartisans.com (I think I spelt that right). There
may even be a forum there where you can ask your question and get a better answer from someone with specific knowledge of that weave. Charlie. "brugnospamsia" wrote in message news That's chain mail(le), I wouldn't call it "plaited." Google for chain mail and see which weave that is (I know it's not Byzantine). thanks :-) it helps to get the terminology right ! ======================== "Marilee J. Layman" wrote in message ... On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:03:20 GMT, "brugmansia" wrote: Here's my first attempt at a photo - focus isn't great I'm afraid - was in too much of a hurry. http://uk.geocities.com/gentlegreengiant/chain.JPG That's chain mail(le), I wouldn't call it "plaited." Google for chain mail and see which weave that is (I know it's not Byzantine). =============================== "brugnospamsia" wrote in message .. . "Carl West" wrote in message ... brugnospamsia wrote: ... Can anyone please point me to a diagram somewhere explaining how to plait wire links ? There are roughly forty-leven different ways it could be done, depends on the chain. Post a scan of the chain and links on the web and we can have a look. great - I'll go take a photo of it and get back to you thanks "brugnospamsia" -- Marilee J. Layman G.W. Bush says "results count!" That's why I'm voting for Kerry |
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That's http://www.mailleartisans.org/
Hi, Charlie! "Charlie" wrote in message ... Try looking at www.mailleartisans.com (I think I spelt that right). There may even be a forum there where you can ask your question and get a better answer from someone with specific knowledge of that weave. Charlie. "brugnospamsia" wrote in message news That's chain mail(le), I wouldn't call it "plaited." Google for chain mail and see which weave that is (I know it's not Byzantine). thanks :-) it helps to get the terminology right ! ======================== "Marilee J. Layman" wrote in message ... On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:03:20 GMT, "brugmansia" wrote: Here's my first attempt at a photo - focus isn't great I'm afraid - was in too much of a hurry. http://uk.geocities.com/gentlegreengiant/chain.JPG That's chain mail(le), I wouldn't call it "plaited." Google for chain mail and see which weave that is (I know it's not Byzantine). =============================== "brugnospamsia" wrote in message .. . "Carl West" wrote in message ... brugnospamsia wrote: ... Can anyone please point me to a diagram somewhere explaining how to plait wire links ? There are roughly forty-leven different ways it could be done, depends on the chain. Post a scan of the chain and links on the web and we can have a look. great - I'll go take a photo of it and get back to you thanks "brugnospamsia" -- Marilee J. Layman G.W. Bush says "results count!" That's why I'm voting for Kerry |
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