Another Moebious Done and it `s Fabulous

"Mirjam Bruck-Cohen" wrote in message
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Day before yesterday at the doctor`s waiting room [ crocheting my
moebious ] when the woman next to me said ,,, Oh i see you are taking
instructions from my sister in law ????? i said excuse me who is that
? she named the woman and i had to swallow a smile , this woman
learned from me how to make a moebious , several months ago !!!
Oh i don`t mind her teaching it on [ even for money] , but to tell
others she invented it this winter ???? . Came home gave her a call
asked about it ? she said ,,,, "well,,,,, you know , i can`t teach and
admit i learned it from you ! thus i tell them i invented it !!!!"
RCTYers i don`t know what you would have said ? i just had no words
,,,,,mirjam

Congratulations on finishing your work, Mirjam! I'm sure you will find many
more things to keep your hands busy, as you always do. )

As for the woman teaching people to knit a moebious. I don't understand why
she couldn't have just taught it without having to claim that she "invented"
it. So you learn something and teach it to others... teachers in school
certainly don't claim that they invented what they teach, be it artwork or
any other subject... so why do some yarnworkers feel they have to have
invented something to be able to teach it to others? All she really needed
to say was "It is something that I learned myself and thought it was so
pretty that I wanted to teach it to others!"

*hugs*
Gemini

"Vintage Purls" wrote in message
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On Jun 13, 3:35 pm, (Mirjam Bruck-Cohen) wrote:
Came home gave her a call
asked about it ? she said ,,,, "well,,,,, you know , i can`t teach and
admit i learned it from you ! thus i tell them i invented it !!!!"
RCTYers i don`t know what you would have said ? i just had no words

So she's being dishonest with her customers? That's a practice that
will return to haunt her one day I suspect.

VP

Like I said in a previous post to Mirjam... I don't have a problem with
someone teaching something they have learned, otherwise it would just stay
with one person and never be passed on for others to enjoy... but there is
no need for someone to claim that they invented it. Simply to say "I
learned this myself and thought it was so nice that I wanted to teach it to
others" is good enough.

For instance... there are two sisters I know who paid a LOT of money to take
an art (painting) course at a local college. In turn they are teaching the
techniques now, themselves for a fraction of what they paid for their
lessons. They are teaching the information that they learned, and not
charging an arm and a leg like the college course does. They also have the
supplies needed for students to buy *after* the second lesson, if the
student feels it is something they want to continue to learn further...
rather than having to buy all the supplies at the beginning of the course
and then realizing a couple of weeks into it that it really isn't something
they don't think they will be happy with like the college course does. I
think it's a wonderful way to pass on their knowledge to others, and they
are making it easier on people who can't afford to spend a lot of money. In
fact they charge by the lesson (once a week), rather than the entire
course... so if you don't show up one week for whatever reason, you simply
don't pay for that missed lesson. Someday, when I get more important
things behind me and I have a bit of extra money to part with each week, I
plan on taking lessons from them. )

*hugs*
Gemini

"Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply" wrote in
message ...
--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.

Gotta say it... I *love* your quote in your signature line! ) Where is
it from, may I ask?

*hugs*
Gemini
"Painting is silent poetry, and poetry is painting with the gift of speech."
___ Simonides

That is my favourite (I write poetry, and will eventually be taking painting
lessons (see another post I just entered), so it is very appropriate for
me.) and I sometimes put it in my signature line, when I remember to do so.
;o)

I just got my pattern and the DVD for making it (figure I can use all
the help I can get) and I got ****VERY**** intimidated while watching
her flying through knitting stitches. ALmost like when I was very young
and had been laboriously working for months on mastering this one
classical piano piece (imagine a pace like taking a deck of cards and
laying the cards down in a pile one at a time) and then happened to hear
a professional musician play the same piece (imagine a pace like someone
taking a deck of cards and holding them at the top and bottom and
flexing like you do when you shuffle and laying them all down neatly in
a pile). I closed the book and never tried that piece again, because I
knew I was nowhere near capable of playing those notes that fast (small
fingers and a paucity of keyboard technic training only compensated for
by a tremendous love of music and the ability to play and transcribe
music by ear easily).

DAB wrote:

LOL no I have been working on my baby surprise sweater....and what a bitch
it has been.....have ripped it out 6 times but will no give up!!!! Oh the
co-worker I made a baby wrap for finally sent me pictures of the baby



--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.

Not Likely wrote:
"Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply" wrote in
message ...
--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.

Gotta say it... I *love* your quote in your signature line! ) Where is
it from, may I ask?

I don't know where it originates from, but I originally saw it quite a
while ago in an advertising packet I got that contained motivational
posters for employees, but it just came back to mind recently. A brief
web search indicates the author is unknown.

--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.

LOL I have the DVD too and have watched it 5 times....EZ and Daughter leave
alot out.....I ordered on a whim the full size pattern thinking maybe more
instructions would appear...NOT its the same as what came with the DVD. I
am past the increase for the cuff areas and now just doing the decreases.

Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply wrote:
I just got my pattern and the DVD for making it (figure I can use all
the help I can get) and I got ****VERY**** intimidated while watching
her flying through knitting stitches. ALmost like when I was very
young and had been laboriously working for months on mastering this
one classical piano piece (imagine a pace like taking a deck of cards
and laying the cards down in a pile one at a time) and then happened
to hear a professional musician play the same piece (imagine a pace
like someone taking a deck of cards and holding them at the top and
bottom and flexing like you do when you shuffle and laying them all
down neatly in a pile). I closed the book and never tried that piece
again, because I knew I was nowhere near capable of playing those
notes that fast (small fingers and a paucity of keyboard technic
training only compensated for by a tremendous love of music and the
ability to play and transcribe music by ear easily).

DAB wrote:

LOL no I have been working on my baby surprise sweater....and what a
bitch it has been.....have ripped it out 6 times but will no give
up!!!! Oh the co-worker I made a baby wrap for finally sent me
pictures of the baby

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 03:35:46 +0000, Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote:

RCTYers ,,, i finnished the new Cotton Crochet Moebious =present and
it is Fabulous ,,, i used a light blue thread +varigated blue lilac
white [2 kinds] and a blue lilac thread , and played a bit with
patterns ,,, the recieving lady said she would like to have it in
cotton , which makes it a bit heavier than wool ,,, but it looks
delicious. Now this is perfect as tomoroow i have a 2 hour train ride
to Rechovot , Thus i can prepare and take some new work with me ....
Excellent timing.....
I also finished some sewing and started my new woven piece i still
miss some colors for that one ,,,
Day before yesterday at the doctor`s waiting room [ crocheting my
moebious ] when the woman next to me said ,,, Oh i see you are taking
instructions from my sister in law ????? i said excuse me who is that
? she named the woman and i had to swallow a smile , this woman
learned from me how to make a moebious , several months ago !!!
Oh i don`t mind her teaching it on [ even for money] , but to tell
others she invented it this winter ???? . Came home gave her a call
asked about it ? she said ,,,, "well,,,,, you know , i can`t teach and
admit i learned it from you ! thus i tell them i invented it !!!!"
RCTYers i don`t know what you would have said ? i just had no words
,,,,,mirjam

The new moebius sounds lonely.

That woman has behaved disgracefully Mirjam! Why tell lies about it?

I must admit that on my blog I haven't given credit for all the help you
gave me when I learned how to make a moebius but that was because I didn't
think you would want your name bandied about all across the web. In a
class setting it would have been not only polite but the honest thing to
have done.

By the way have you managed to finish your red sweater yet?

Bernadette

Bernadette wrote:

I must admit that on my blog I haven't given credit for all the help you
gave me when I learned how to make a moebius but that was because I didn't
think you would want your name bandied about all across the web. In a
class setting it would have been not only polite but the honest thing to
have done.

Ya know, there's a world of difference between not giving the name of
the person who taught you something word-of-mouth style and trying to
claim that it was an original idea.

--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.

What pretty colour combinations Mirjam.....I'm sure the mobius is
beautiful. I haven't tried making one out of cotton yet. I saw one
made from a lace weight mohair in a lace pattern that had me drooling!
That woman that took credit for your teaching has a lot of nerve!
Sounds like she has a low self esteem problem and just wants to make
herself *feel* more important and clever than she really is....at your
expense.....sad.
Marie and the cats


On Jun 12, 8:35 pm, (Mirjam Bruck-Cohen) wrote:
RCTYers ,,, i finnished the new Cotton Crochet Moebious =present and
it is Fabulous ,,, i used a light blue thread +varigated blue lilac
white [2 kinds] and a blue lilac thread , and played a bit with
patterns ,,, the recieving lady said she would like to have it in
cotton , which makes it a bit heavier than wool ,,, but it looks
delicious. Now this is perfect as tomoroow i have a 2 hour train ride
to Rechovot , Thus i can prepare and take some new work with me ....
Excellent timing.....
I also finished some sewing and started my new woven piece i still
miss some colors for that one ,,,
Day before yesterday at the doctor`s waiting room [ crocheting my
moebious ] when the woman next to me said ,,, Oh i see you are taking
instructions from my sister in law ????? i said excuse me who is that
? she named the woman and i had to swallow a smile , this woman
learned from me how to make a moebious , several months ago !!!
Oh i don`t mind her teaching it on [ even for money] , but to tell
others she invented it this winter ???? . Came home gave her a call
asked about it ? she said ,,,, "well,,,,, you know , i can`t teach and
admit i learned it from you ! thus i tell them i invented it !!!!"
RCTYers i don`t know what you would have said ? i just had no words
,,,,,mirjam

"Not Likely" notinthislifetime@yougottabejoking wrote in message
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"Vintage Purls" wrote in message
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On Jun 13, 3:35 pm, (Mirjam Bruck-Cohen) wrote:
Came home gave her a call
asked about it ? she said ,,,, "well,,,,, you know , i can`t teach and
admit i learned it from you ! thus i tell them i invented it !!!!"
RCTYers i don`t know what you would have said ? i just had no words

So she's being dishonest with her customers? That's a practice that
will return to haunt her one day I suspect.

VP

Like I said in a previous post to Mirjam... I don't have a problem with
someone teaching something they have learned, otherwise it would just stay
with one person and never be passed on for others to enjoy... but there is
no need for someone to claim that they invented it. Simply to say "I
learned this myself and thought it was so nice that I wanted to teach it
to
others" is good enough.

For instance... there are two sisters I know who paid a LOT of money to
take
an art (painting) course at a local college. In turn they are teaching
the
techniques now, themselves for a fraction of what they paid for their
lessons. They are teaching the information that they learned, and not
charging an arm and a leg like the college course does. They also have
the
supplies needed for students to buy *after* the second lesson, if the
student feels it is something they want to continue to learn further...
rather than having to buy all the supplies at the beginning of the course
and then realizing a couple of weeks into it that it really isn't
something
they don't think they will be happy with like the college course does. I
think it's a wonderful way to pass on their knowledge to others, and they
are making it easier on people who can't afford to spend a lot of money.
In
fact they charge by the lesson (once a week), rather than the entire
course... so if you don't show up one week for whatever reason, you simply
don't pay for that missed lesson. Someday, when I get more important
things behind me and I have a bit of extra money to part with each week, I
plan on taking lessons from them. )

*hugs*
Gemini

That sounds wonderful. Wish there were more people who did that kind of
thing.

Murielle