Will I get to stitch today???

Jangchub wrote:
This is what I think about phones and call waiting; if someone calls
and the phone gives a busy signal, it means I'M ON THE PHONE. Call
back.


When my grandmother was in poor health, we had it, simply so the family
could reach me in time to say goodbye. The day after she died, we
cancelled it, because there was nothing that couldn't wait till I got
off the phone.

When my parents reach that stage, I'll sign up for it again. Then
again, I now have a pay as you go cell phone for emergencies, so I guess
I no longer need call waiting.


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Jangchub wrote:
hematologist wanted to put me in the hospital, but he was afraid to do
that. The infection in hospitals is so rampant he did't want to
compromise me.



BRAVO! More doctors need to be aware of that.

My first specialist -- the one who actually knew what he was doing --
pointed out to me that the ER is the absolute worst place for a person
with a compromised immune system, and especially if you're going to have
to wait for hours to be seen, with all those other people coughing and
sneezing, and who knows what virus/bacteria was on the hands of the
person who sat in that chair before you did?

There's an Urgent Care about a mile from here where I never had to wait
more than an hour, and usually a lot quicker than that. Since I know
it'll be fast, I don't mind waiting outdoors.

And my current doctor will actually take me out of order so I don't have
to sit in the waiting room for more than a few minutes AND he keeps a
certain number of appointments for same-day and next-day emergencies,
which means that the only reason I will ever set foot in an ER again is
because I need some equipment he doesn't have in his office.


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Jangchub wrote:

Of course this is a reasonable application. I wasn't really talking
about the same setting. Actually, it's the adults I'm talking about.
It's too late to restore immunity for children. Antibiotics have
already messed that up FUBAR. Maybe I'm wrong.

I think there's a lot of variation. While they've been
slow to get on board, at least around here it does seem like
it's getting significantly more difficult to get antibiotics
unless there's real evidence of a bacterial infection. Parents
don't like it, but slowly but surely pediatricians seem to be
deciding it's worth it to take a stand, even when faced with
parents who are pushy or desperate to do something other than
wait it out.

Best wishes,
Ericka

Karen C in California wrote:
Ericka Kammerer wrote:

If there were time to
get them to soap and water frequently enough, that would work
as well or better, but there isn't time for that.

Obviously, you were not raised by my mother!

For each child, put liquid soap (which in Mom's day meant dish
detergent) on a wet washcloth. Put washcloth in Ziploc bag. Hand out
washcloths on a regular basis. If you're going to be out most of the
day, carry two washcloths per child.

That is not really a practical situation for a classroom.
Diaper bag, yes; classroom full of kids, not so much.

Best wishes,
Ericka

On 8/20/08 3:34 PM, "Dawne Peterson" wrote:


"lucretia borgia" wrote
Those hand sanitizers and all those antibacterial wipes for counters are
landing us in a mess. What happened to having to eat a peck of dirt in
your lifetime ?

I don't disagree with you, and don't use antibacterial anything at home, but
I do use a hand sanitizer at work, since I have to use a public washroom,
use computer keyboards that dozens of people use daily, and sometimes handle
money. My difficulty is that many of the bathroom soaps irritate my skin
allergies, especially if I touch my face, so I use the gels. They are also
somewhat less drying than the annoying hot air blowers that so many
bathrooms have instead of paper towels.

Dawne


The latest hand sanitizer info we got from our state EMS office, per OSHA,
was for adults, staying away from the anti-bacs, and using the chloro
something active ingredient. For kids = staying with the alcohol based gels
for sanitizer and not the anti-bacs. The Anti-bac overuse does run into the
issues with antibiotics. So, many docs are trying to restrict/reserve the
prescribing of anti-biotics to help all of us with the situation.

Indeed, we did all probably get dirty and eat plenty of yuck - but with
modern life have come more strains of yucky germs and honestly, having a
small thing of gel hand sanitizer for kids to use doesn't seem like a big
hardship. Plus, you're still supposed to wash your hands as soon as you
can.

The best thing most can do for helping their hand wash - the friction you
generate by actively rubbing your hands together, especially between the
fingers - will actually kill many, many bacteria. They don't survive that
heat - truly. So, soap and water to get the muck, and rub your hands
together vigorously when rinsing - which my microbiology prof made us
actually prove in lab.

Ellice

Jangchub wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:02:58 -0700 (PDT), lewmew
wrote:

So there's no competitiveness that your pens are better than mine?

Must go along with the every child is a superstar and gets a gold star
and ribbon for showing up.

Linda

Pee gold, too.

A few schools in the UK have banned the three-legged race and sack race
from school sports day "in case someone trips and hurts themselves"
--
Bruce Fletcher
Stronsay, Orkney UK
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On 8/20/08 3:43 PM, "Lucille" lzoltynospam@now at comcast..net wrote:


"Dawne Peterson" wrote in message
el...

"lucretia borgia" wrote
Those hand sanitizers and all those antibacterial wipes for counters are
landing us in a mess. What happened to having to eat a peck of dirt in
your lifetime ?

I don't disagree with you, and don't use antibacterial anything at home,
but I do use a hand sanitizer at work, since I have to use a public
washroom, use computer keyboards that dozens of people use daily, and
sometimes handle money. My difficulty is that many of the bathroom soaps
irritate my skin allergies, especially if I touch my face, so I use the
gels. They are also somewhat less drying than the annoying hot air
blowers that so many bathrooms have instead of paper towels.

Dawne

I use the hand sanitizers too. As a matter of fact I keep one in my car but
more for convenience then for being germ free.

Being germ free has caused more problems then being dirty because today's
kids don't build up a healthy immunity to what should be everyday, non
dangerous germs.

L

It's not the everyday germs that are the issue. What has become more of an
issue has to do with the earlier age at which children are in close contact
with other children, and often in situations before their own immunities
have developed versus those that carry over from the parents.

We still get plenty of "dirt" - so to speak.

Ellice

On 8/20/08 6:25 PM, "Jangchub" wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:06:48 -0700, Karen C in California
wrote:

Jangchub wrote:

If they come up short, the teacher winds up buying
suppiles out of their own pockets. The average teacher spends 600
dollars a year for their rooms. Totally insane.


Yep. My best friend in San Diego was a teacher, and when she did her
classroom shopping in August, we knew she'd need two carts, so she'd
always take me along to push the other one. OK, I'll put my own
purchases in the baby seat of the cart and you can have the main part
for your school supplies.

I got real good at picking up what she had put back muttering "too
expensive", and as we were putting the stuff in the trunk, moving it
from my bags to hers. My little contribution to our local schools.

And since I was mixing them in with the cartridges for my own printer,
etc., she never caught me at it till she got home. Yeah, whatcha gonna
do about it? You can't return them because **I** have the receipt!

Most of her students were from dirt-poor families (she suspected 90% of
the parents were here illegally), so if she wanted them to have crayons
or whatever, she had to buy them, because the families simply didn't
have money for school supplies.

Yes, but that is a lovely thing to do. I live in a wealthy to middle
class area and just our annual school taxes are 3,000 dollars which
doesn't include county and city tax. They are currently building a
new high school, the tenth in our district of 80,000 populace and the
football stadium is TWO FRIGGIN MILLION DOLLARS! This is the sort of
stadium of a major university, not high school. I went to James
Madison High School on Bedford Avenue and Quentin Road in Brooklyn and
we had some bleachers and parents brought folding chairs. Here, in
TX, high school football in reported on the news. It's a bit insane
and I will never get used to it. Not as long as teachers have to lay
out money for supplies.

Ah, but you're in Texas, which is all about high school football - as you no
doubt know. FWIW, $2M isn't anywhere near the cost of a stadium for a major
university. Not even just 1 order of magnitude off. It's not really that
much for a stadium - assuming it will do football, track, etc. That's what
a pretty basic stadium would cost - though it's certainly more elaborate
than bleachers without lights.

Ellice

On 8/20/08 10:06 PM, "Jangchub" wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:37:16 -0400, Ericka Kammerer
wrote:

I'm not saying the above is in lieu of washing hands after
using the bathroom. At that point they're already *in* the
bathroom and ought to be washing their hands. I was talking
about all the other times of day. They ought to wash their
hands before going to lunch. They can take 20 minutes standing
in the hall sending kids into the bathroom to wash hands and
miss most of their lunch, or they can pass the hand sanitizer
around the last few minutes before leaving the classroom for
lunch. It helps cut down on transmission of illnesses if
kids wash hands on the way into the classrooms. They can
have major backups trying to clear so many kids through
the bathrooms for hand washing before school starts, or
they can pass the sanitizer around during morning work.
If there's a special birthday snack in class, they can eat
with dirty hands, take 20 minutes to run everyone down
the hall and through the bathroom, or they can pass the
hand sanitizer. Not to mention that the teacher can't duck
out of the classroom every time some kid sneezes on them ;-)
It's just a way of getting hands a bit cleaner without
taking more time than is available. I sure hope that
if the kid takes a trip to use the restroom, he or she
is washing hands at the sink when done.

Best wishes,
Ericka

Of course this is a reasonable application. I wasn't really talking
about the same setting. Actually, it's the adults I'm talking about.
It's too late to restore immunity for children. Antibiotics have
already messed that up FUBAR. Maybe I'm wrong.

Off into another tangent, last year my white count dropped so low my
hematologist wanted to put me in the hospital, but he was afraid to do
that. The infection in hospitals is so rampant he did't want to
compromise me. He gave me injections of Nupigen. That may have been
the most painful experience in my life. It plumps the white cells
rapidly in the marrow and almost pushes the bones from the inside out,
particularly in the spine. I fainted from the pain. I had to go to
his office every day the way he do rounds. So, I do know infection.

Interestingly enough, according to OSHA the past 2 years, the infection rate
for just "passed on" for lack of explaining further - has actually been
lower in hospitals, and the highest rate is just community acquired.
Contrary to what most people believe. Evidently all of the improved
health-care facility policies must be working. Surprising answer, so to
speak.

Sorry for the tangent. I know what you're saying and understand
fully. School is much different than daily life of a homemaker. It's
more practical to use the sanitizer in that event.

Ellice

"Lucille" wrote
I have an idea. Just learn to hold it in. That's what my mother said
when she disn't trust the cleanliness in a bathroom.

ummmm, I work a seven hour shift. On the same premises as a Starbucks.
Only judges have that kind of bladder control.

Dawne