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Tara D wrote:
Aha, a product person. :-) I find folks are either process driven or product driven. The Other Kim sound process driven, as I am myself. Process people are happy enough to make a dozen square foot samples of different stitches. Even to the point of ripping out a square to try a different pattern with the yarn. Product people make them into a sampler afghan. :-) I haven't got a problem with taking apart an almost finished sweater and reknitting it in a different pattern because I found one I liked better, or being unsatisfied with the sizing of it. sue |
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I knew you are like us Katherine ,,,
hahahhah mirjam That is my style, too, Joan. Higs, Katherine |
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Well, I'd have to be, wouldn't I???? LOL
Higs, Katherine Mirjam Bruck-Cohen wrote: I knew you are like us Katherine ,,, hahahhah mirjam That is my style, too, Joan. Higs, Katherine |
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:52:51 -0700, The Other Kim spun a fine yarn
Aaron wrote: I have no problems with anyone knitting as slowly as they want to. But, I want to be a better knitter. I want to knit with less effort. A by-product of knitting with less effort is knitting faster. Speed is not the goal. Knitting with less effort is the goal. That's the goal for you. You apparently equate "better" with increased speed. I don't. I, too, want to be a "better" knitter, but with the types of patterns I like to do faster would lead to worse results. I prefer to challenge myself with complicated textures and lace patterns, and in these cases increased speed would not be a good thing. My goal is to produce the best results I can. It really doesn't matter to me if someone can knock out 10 rows to my 1; more power to them. My results are good, and that's what matters to me. The Other Kim kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom Kim, I say BRAVO, perfect response! Noreen who... while I tend to sorta *be* 'fast'... would rather do GOOD work than FAST, with errors! -- I am not young enough to know everything. http://www.lulu.com/content/292418 - - - - - --- avast! AV: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0633-4, 08/18/2006 Tested: 8/20/2006 10:14:12 AM avast! - (c) 1988-2006 http://www.avast.com |
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Tara wrote:
Aha, a product person. :-) I find folks are either process driven or product driven. The Other Kim sound process driven, as I am myself. Process people are happy enough to make a dozen square foot samples of different stitches. Even to the point of ripping out a square to try a different pattern with the yarn. Product people make them into a sampler afghan. :-) I'm actually a combination of the two. I won't buy a yarn just because I like the way it feels or looks; I need to have a specific project in mind before even starting to shop for yarn. I've never had the urge to just knit up a bunch of squares for fun; my knitting has to have a final destination, and I've never done a sampler afghan because I hate putting things together (which explains why I sometimes wait months to have completely finished items once the actual knitting is done. If I could find someone locally who would sew things together for me I'd be ecstatic). I have ripped out an entire back of a sweater because I just didn't like the way the stitches looked. I'm a bit of a perfectionist in this respect. I know that the average person won't notice a missed purl in some patterns, but if I can see it without much effort it gets ripped. I guess that, like so many of us, I can't really be categorized as pure process or pure project. I just love knitting. I've done other forms of needlework over the years but always come back to my first love g The Other Kim kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom |
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Tara D wrote:
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:55:03 -0700, "The Other Kim" wrote: I guess that, like so many of us, I can't really be categorized as pure process or pure project. I just love knitting. I've done other forms of needlework over the years but always come back to my first love g The Other Kim kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom Of course none of us is purely in one category, or the other (otherwise I would never have any finished things). Let's try this a different way. You've signed up for a difficult class at your local rec centre. You have a list of materials and tools to bring to class, the pattern to be handed out by the teacher. You pack up the required yarn, the correct needles, etc in your workbag. You grab your workbag and head off to class. Before you enter the classroom, you open the workbag and realize you grabbed the wrong one; but this one has yarn (wrong size) and needles (appropriate to the size of the yarn). Do you leave without entering the class as it would be a waste of time not having the correct materials? Enter the classroom, explain the error to the teacher and take the pattern home to figure it out on your own? Stay for the class, knowing that what you did wouldn't be part of the finished product? Other options? I would stay for the class, and take copious notes. Then I would see if my yarn could possibly be adapted. If not, I would work like mad at home to get my part of the finished project done in time. Higs, Katherine |
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From my view:
If there are errors - it is not better knitting. If there are variations in tension, then it is not "better knitting." If the resulting product is not "beautiful" then it is not "better knitting." If the garment is too warm or not warm enough, then it is not "better knitting." If the garment is not durable enough for its intended use, then it is not "better knitting." If the garment is not finished on time, then it is not better knitting. If no garment is attempted because it would take too long to knit, then it is not 'better knitting." If your wrists hurt, (because of your knitting) then it is not "better knitting." That is what better knitting is not! Most of the stuff I do (when I am not just testing to find a better way) is from Gladys Thompson - mostly knit at 7 to 9 spi with worsted weight yarn to produce a firm fabric. The gansey that I am working on right now has only 12 cables bordering 6 panels of moss diamonds up the body, and it is real easy because I can always see the pattern. However, I think you will find Gladys Thompson's Aran patterns to be as challenging as any knitting patterns, any where. (Chart them first, some patterns have errors in them and some are just confusing.) The GT patterns have more twisted stitches in them that keeps everything tight and gives it a lovely fine texture. However, they also make you pay attention. Those ladies really understood beautiful fabric. If I am going to knit that stuff, I gotta be able to knit without messing up my wrists. I gotta be a "better knitter." And, I am thinking about a Sheringham jersey in the classic "rig and fur" pattern (more moss diamonds) which looks good when knit up at about 12 spi/20 rpi, but maybe the yarn that I had thought to use is not "fast enough" It looks and feels real nice knit at that gauge, but it does not really facilitate knitting at a pace that would let me finish in a reasonable time. And of course, in the best knitting tradition, note the typo in the chart. Sometimes better knitting is knitting that just gets a whole lot of little moss diamonds knit. Aaron "YarnWright" wrote in message ... On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 14:52:51 -0700, The Other Kim spun a fine yarn Aaron wrote: I have no problems with anyone knitting as slowly as they want to. But, I want to be a better knitter. I want to knit with less effort. A by-product of knitting with less effort is knitting faster. Speed is not the goal. Knitting with less effort is the goal. That's the goal for you. You apparently equate "better" with increased speed. I don't. I, too, want to be a "better" knitter, but with the types of patterns I like to do faster would lead to worse results. I prefer to challenge myself with complicated textures and lace patterns, and in these cases increased speed would not be a good thing. My goal is to produce the best results I can. It really doesn't matter to me if someone can knock out 10 rows to my 1; more power to them. My results are good, and that's what matters to me. The Other Kim kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom Kim, I say BRAVO, perfect response! Noreen who... while I tend to sorta *be* 'fast'... would rather do GOOD work than FAST, with errors! -- I am not young enough to know everything. http://www.lulu.com/content/292418 - - - - - --- avast! AV: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0633-4, 08/18/2006 Tested: 8/20/2006 10:14:12 AM avast! - (c) 1988-2006 http://www.avast.com |
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Let's try this a different way. You've signed up for a difficult
class at your local rec centre. You have a list of materials and tools to bring to class, the pattern to be handed out by the teacher. You pack up the required yarn, the correct needles, etc in your workbag. You grab your workbag and head off to class. Before you enter the classroom, you open the workbag and realize you grabbed the wrong one; but this one has yarn (wrong size) and needles (appropriate to the size of the yarn). Do you leave without entering the class as it would be a waste of time not having the correct materials? Enter the classroom, explain the error to the teacher and take the pattern home to figure it out on your own? Stay for the class, knowing that what you did wouldn't be part of the finished product? Other options? I am with Katherine, I would not leave the class. I would stay for the class and practice with my wrong yarn and needles. The purpose of the class would be to learn the technique, not to end up with a finished product. Alison |
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Alison wrote:
I am with Katherine, I would not leave the class. I would stay for the class and practice with my wrong yarn and needles. The purpose of the class would be to learn the technique, not to end up with a finished product. I thought that made the most sense. Higs, Katherine |
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