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OT - Annealing and Pickling
Hey, I'm working on something and have gotten to the part where I need
to anneal and pickle some sterling silver. I've looked online and in some books, but I thought maybe I'd get some input here before leaping into this. Obviously, I've never done it before :-) I have everything I need, I think. I just don't know exactly what to do. Tink Rent-A-Tink Info via Latest Work is he http://snipurl.com/4y35 BEAD SALE he http://snipurl.com/5pfg http://blackswampglassworks.com |
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Did you check ganoskin.com?
Barb "Tinkster" wrote in message ... Hey, I'm working on something and have gotten to the part where I need to anneal and pickle some sterling silver. I've looked online and in some books, but I thought maybe I'd get some input here before leaping into this. Obviously, I've never done it before :-) I have everything I need, I think. I just don't know exactly what to do. Tink Rent-A-Tink Info via Latest Work is he http://snipurl.com/4y35 BEAD SALE he http://snipurl.com/5pfg http://blackswampglassworks.com |
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On Thu, 27 May 2004 10:16:08 -0400, "Barbara Forbes-Lyons"
wrote: Did you check ganoskin.com? Yep. And I'm not having any luck finding a simple step by step. How hot do I get the silver? Can I do this with my flameworking torch? I remember reading that I could quench in water and then go into the warm pickle. How warm should the pickling solution be (100 degrees is what I'm remembering). I was planning to take a metalsmithing class at the Museum this summer, but I'll be out of town when it's being offered. Poop. Tink Rent-A-Tink Info via Latest Work is he http://snipurl.com/4y35 BEAD SALE he http://snipurl.com/5pfg http://blackswampglassworks.com |
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From Tim McCreight's book "The Complete Metalsmith"
Annealing This is the process of reducing stress within metal by heating it to a prescribed temperature. Industrially this is done in a furnace where the temperatures can be monitored mechanically. In the studio it is more common to anneal with a torch. Temperatures are gauged by the color progression of the metal, with a dimly lit area being best suited for this purpose. Paste flux may be painted onto the metal to serve as a temperature indicator: it is clear at 1100 degrees F (593 degrees C). If quenching in a pickle, beware of dangerous fumes and splashing acid. A safer method is to quench in water and then slide the work into the pickle. Sterling, 14K & 10 K Gold: Heat to a dull red; quench as soon as the redness disappears. From his "Jewelry - Fundamentals of Metalsmithing" On Pickle: "Pickle will do its work at room temperature, but is much faster when warm, ideally about like a hot bath. An easy way to sustain this temperature is with a crock pot..." And don't forget to use non-steel tools to fish out whatever you put in the pickle or you run the risk of copperplating your pieces. It should only take a few minutes to dissolve any oxides from your annealing. HTH!! Mj "Tinkster" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 May 2004 10:16:08 -0400, "Barbara Forbes-Lyons" wrote: Did you check ganoskin.com? Yep. And I'm not having any luck finding a simple step by step. How hot do I get the silver? Can I do this with my flameworking torch? I remember reading that I could quench in water and then go into the warm pickle. How warm should the pickling solution be (100 degrees is what I'm remembering). I was planning to take a metalsmithing class at the Museum this summer, but I'll be out of town when it's being offered. Poop. Tink Rent-A-Tink Info via Latest Work is he http://snipurl.com/4y35 BEAD SALE he http://snipurl.com/5pfg http://blackswampglassworks.com |
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You need to heat it to a dark orange glow. And depending on what shape it
is, you should be able to do it in your torch. I prefer working flat, on a fire brick. I was taught that it's best to quench in water then pickle. I use a mini crockpot to hold my pickle (I use Sparex). It comes up to temp in about 30 minutes. Just remember to keep the piece moving in the flame. Silver can go from dark orange to nearly molten in seconds if you don't distribute the heat. KarenK "Tinkster" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 May 2004 10:16:08 -0400, "Barbara Forbes-Lyons" wrote: Did you check ganoskin.com? Yep. And I'm not having any luck finding a simple step by step. How hot do I get the silver? Can I do this with my flameworking torch? I remember reading that I could quench in water and then go into the warm pickle. How warm should the pickling solution be (100 degrees is what I'm remembering). I was planning to take a metalsmithing class at the Museum this summer, but I'll be out of town when it's being offered. Poop. Tink Rent-A-Tink Info via Latest Work is he http://snipurl.com/4y35 BEAD SALE he http://snipurl.com/5pfg http://blackswampglassworks.com |
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You heat the silver until it is a cherry red, then plunge it into cold
water. It should be then pliable for the next beating. I was watching a silver smith at work last Saturday and she was using the pickle cold. Just takes a bit longer to work. Says Shirley who is dredging her mind of the silver smithing things she learnt at college in 5 years. I was a fool that I did not take my City and Guilds exam. Shirley In message , Tinkster writes On Thu, 27 May 2004 10:16:08 -0400, "Barbara Forbes-Lyons" wrote: Did you check ganoskin.com? Yep. And I'm not having any luck finding a simple step by step. How hot do I get the silver? Can I do this with my flameworking torch? I remember reading that I could quench in water and then go into the warm pickle. How warm should the pickling solution be (100 degrees is what I'm remembering). I was planning to take a metalsmithing class at the Museum this summer, but I'll be out of town when it's being offered. Poop. Tink Rent-A-Tink Info via Latest Work is he http://snipurl.com/4y35 BEAD SALE he http://snipurl.com/5pfg http://blackswampglassworks.com -- Shirley Shone |
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On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:18:25 -0700, "Mj" wrote:
On Pickle: "Pickle will do its work at room temperature, but is much faster when warm, ideally about like a hot bath. An easy way to sustain this temperature is with a crock pot..." For those who wish to use something a little more environmentally friendly there is Pre Po Pickle, or PPP. It is used room temp. You mix up a gallon at a time. Keep in a glass jug. Pour the amount you need into a glass dish or cup (depending on the size and shape of what you are pickling.) Use until it turns bluish, then pour down the drain. It breaks down into inert material that is safe for the environment. Unlike Sparex which remains evil forever and should be disposed of at an approved haz mat facility. Because it is room temp, it takes a little longer to work. A couple of minutes don't bother me, and I feel better about the by-products. Barbara Dream Master www.dreamweaverstudio.com If you want to make God laugh, tell him your future plans. Woody Allen |
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Thanks Barbara! I had no idea there was an alternative!
KarenK "Barbara Otterson" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:18:25 -0700, "Mj" wrote: On Pickle: "Pickle will do its work at room temperature, but is much faster when warm, ideally about like a hot bath. An easy way to sustain this temperature is with a crock pot..." For those who wish to use something a little more environmentally friendly there is Pre Po Pickle, or PPP. It is used room temp. You mix up a gallon at a time. Keep in a glass jug. Pour the amount you need into a glass dish or cup (depending on the size and shape of what you are pickling.) Use until it turns bluish, then pour down the drain. It breaks down into inert material that is safe for the environment. Unlike Sparex which remains evil forever and should be disposed of at an approved haz mat facility. Because it is room temp, it takes a little longer to work. A couple of minutes don't bother me, and I feel better about the by-products. Barbara Dream Master www.dreamweaverstudio.com If you want to make God laugh, tell him your future plans. Woody Allen |
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I never heard of Pre Po Pickle where did you get it? I use a strong acid and
would like to know more about this product. Roxan "Barbara Otterson" wrote in message ... On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:18:25 -0700, "Mj" wrote: On Pickle: "Pickle will do its work at room temperature, but is much faster when warm, ideally about like a hot bath. An easy way to sustain this temperature is with a crock pot..." For those who wish to use something a little more environmentally friendly there is Pre Po Pickle, or PPP. It is used room temp. You mix up a gallon at a time. Keep in a glass jug. Pour the amount you need into a glass dish or cup (depending on the size and shape of what you are pickling.) Use until it turns bluish, then pour down the drain. It breaks down into inert material that is safe for the environment. Unlike Sparex which remains evil forever and should be disposed of at an approved haz mat facility. Because it is room temp, it takes a little longer to work. A couple of minutes don't bother me, and I feel better about the by-products. Barbara Dream Master www.dreamweaverstudio.com If you want to make God laugh, tell him your future plans. Woody Allen |
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