Calling Clothing Historians

the use and the know how of how to build a water closet or a sewerage
went astray when the Roman Empire collapsed. The re-invention of the
water closets is due to an Englishman, forgot his name, the
reappareance of public bathhouses dates from the time that the wellfare
got better. People genuine believed and were told by their doctors that
to bath or even wash yourself to much was dangerous for your health,
you could damage your skin. And it was to expensive. Water was not
always in abundance and to heat it was almost not done. Take a look at
the history from e.g. the city Paris. One of the reasons for the
rebellion from the people against their lord king Louis XIV was the
fact that with about 300.000 inhabitants (Paris was in that time the
largest European city) they clouded a small area without a sewerage and
without much water. The streets were an open sewer, everyone dropped
everything on the street or out of the window. That was also the reason
why Louis XIV built himself the Versailles, his magnificient palace way
outside of Paris. For to get rid of the smell. Although talking about
perfum. The europeans reinvented and bettered perfum for the simple
reasion that at the courts of the french kings one dropped the things
in the corners of the palace, handkerchiefs have been invented for to
put perfum on and to keep it in front of your nose from time to time.
etc. etc.
Pants and skirts
The art of society is indeed the mother of wearing a pant or a skirt
for the ladies and or men. The tartars, Dzenghis Kan, the great
Mongolian Empire was a nation of nomades, the ladies were riden horses
as well. Can you imagine yourself riding horse with your bare legs
against the horses hide??? I would not recommand it. That is also the
reason that men were putting on their pants when they went to hunt in
Europe. Europe was imennsely forrested with a lots and lots of
underbush, hmmm. I certainly would not let that stick ambush my
genitals when I could wear trousers. And women were not hunting there
you have the origin of the pants and the skirts in Europe. Speaking
about North, North West Europe, South Europe and South East Europe were
not so forrested.

Well that is it a little bit.

Kind regards
Fran=E7ois

Actually, pockets didn't come into existance until the late 1700's.

Linda



It certainly doesn't sound like every woman was walking around with a pair
in her pocket, does it? In fact, they sound like works of art.

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Joanne @ stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us
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Life is about the journey, not about the destination.

Is this by any chance the same Bronwyn who's from Lancaster PA and is in the
SCA?

Linda


"HC" wrote in message
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G'day

If you practice cutting curves with a rotary cutter they do become easier,
although I do tend to use the 1" cutter for tighter curves and prefer
using a rotary cutter to scissors for a neater, more accurate cutting
line.

We have it so much easier now than they did many years ago.....we are
truly spoiled......I don't think they were the 'good' ole days.

Bronwyn ;-)

Linda Sweigart wrote:
Actually, pockets didn't come into existance until the late 1700's.

Linda



It certainly doesn't sound like every woman was walking around with a pair
in her pocket, does it? In fact, they sound like works of art.

No pockets, no scissors --- sure makes you glad to be born now, doesn't
it? I'm just curious what it'll be like in another 50 or 100 years.

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Joanne @ stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us
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Life is about the journey, not about the destination.

Pogonip wrote:

When were scissors invented? Imagine trying to cut woven fabric with
a
knife -- even with the new rotary cutters, curves are difficult to
impossible, and they're probably finer and sharper than the old
knives.

Joanne @ stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us
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If I remember right, it was at Mammoth Cave, Ky., where I learned
that the cave folk had access to a type of shale which was so sharp
that they could easily cut hide with it--a method much akin to using a
rotary cutter. Stick the hide on a rock, run the shale along the hide,
you got a very clean, straight cut.
I was given a chunk of that shale to bring home, and, for years,
every time I picked it up, I slashed my hands. It is amazingly sharp,
can be chipped to form small sharp slivers and used for skivving hides.
I really don't think it dulls, not like a rotary cutter. Much blood on
stone, no dull points yet...
What an interesting thread.
Cea

wrote:
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If I remember right, it was at Mammoth Cave, Ky., where I learned
that the cave folk had access to a type of shale which was so sharp
that they could easily cut hide with it--a method much akin to using a
rotary cutter. Stick the hide on a rock, run the shale along the hide,
you got a very clean, straight cut.
I was given a chunk of that shale to bring home, and, for years,
every time I picked it up, I slashed my hands. It is amazingly sharp,
can be chipped to form small sharp slivers and used for skivving hides.
I really don't think it dulls, not like a rotary cutter. Much blood on
stone, no dull points yet...
What an interesting thread.
Cea

A whole lotta years ago, I got some obsidian blades in Mexico. Just
picked them up off the ground, actually. They were also sharp. The
long edges were flaked leaving a very sharp edge.

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Joanne @ stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us
http://bernardschopen.tripod.com/
Life is about the journey, not about the destination.

Linda Sweigart wrote:

Actually, pockets didn't come into existance until the late 1700's.

Linda

Patch or in-seam pockets were relatively late developments. Prior to
that pockets were separate items, like small bags, that fastened to the
belt or girdle. There was also a collection of chains or strings called
a 'chatelaine' from which items such as scissors could be suspended.



It certainly doesn't sound like every woman was walking around with a pair
in her pocket, does it? In fact, they sound like works of art.

--

Joanne @ stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us
http://bernardschopen.tripod.com/
Life is about the journey, not about the destination.

"Kitty In Somerset, PA" wrote:

The story I read was if the Heathen, beginning with the moors, I
believe, bathed then "good Christians" just didn't need that new
fangled stuff, We'll just embrace Dirt and disease. LOL thus the
dark ages, y'know?

LOL Not as dark as once thought.........

G'day Linda

No........sorry not the same one.

Bronwyn ;-)

Linda Sweigart wrote:
Is this by any chance the same Bronwyn who's from Lancaster PA and is in the
SCA?

Linda