what is it YOU really stitch

On Feb 6, 11:15*pm, "Pat P" wrote:
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On Feb 6, 4:28 am, "Pat P" wrote:





"lewmew" wrote in message

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I fail to see what`s wrong with saying that someone`s "Good crafter" -
there`s nothing insulting in that at all. Dare I say that some may be
looking for trouble where none was intended?

Pat

I generally stay out of these, but I recall Mirjam haughtily informing
us about craftsmen v. artists before. We "crafters" were not
favorably reviewed.

Oh well, that`s just Mirjam - IMO in normal circumstances "Crafters" is
certainly not an insult. That`s why I wondered! LOL!

Pat

Spent the whole day with a friend who is a marvelous Artist
Quilter ,,, she said i can call her crafter any day i want ,,, because
not all artists are good crafters as well .. And some crafters are
good artists as well ,,, To be both is a Gift from Heaven ..
mirjam

Definitely. *I suppose some confusion COULD arise by the fact that
"crafters" can`t be called artists if they just follow a pattern created by
an "artist". It`s rather splitting hairs though!

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This splitting hair decisions , are facinating, but sometimes have to
be taken, esp when one curates, or researchers objects. But even if it
isn`t that problem, every time one has to refuse an object for an
exhibition , one has to explain it to the person who offered it for
participation.
I don`t know it is luck, or reasonable explaining , but until now
[touch wood] , i have never had bad reactions when i had to refuse an
object , on the contrary, mant a time same artist or crafter, invites
me to have a look at their stuff before their next exhibition[s],,,,,
I honestly sit with every person and talk with them, just in the same
manner i wrote to Lucretia .
mirjam

On Feb 7, 3:26*am, lucretia borgia wrote:
On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:55:42 -0600, Olwyn Mary
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I do design most of my own work, and do my own finishing (which means it
takes me much longer to complete a project than my friends who are happy
not to bother with such things) but I don't consider myself an artist.
I am proudly an artisan. This may be because there was a period in my
life when I saw all kinds of sloppy work being accepted because it was
"art". *When this thread came up, I was reminded of Edith John's "New
Stitches for Needlecraft" in which she says "....I have no time for the
deliberately poor technique which is so often presented as a gesture of
defiance at tradition, worked, one is solemnly assured, in the cause of
freedom and self expression. *I have no time for ill mounted or soiled
work, and very little for embroidery, no matter how original, which is
totally unsuitable for its purpose. *Neither have I a great deal of
sympathy for the experienced and clever needlewomen who are so narrow in
their outlook that they condemn every serious effort to widen and enrich
the field of embroidery."

I guess I agree with her.

Olwyn Mary in New Orleans.

I can go with that but would also add that I do what pleases me and
what makes me happy and satisfies my desires in needlework. *What
others believe is 'correct' 'appropriate' etc may not necessarily
reflect my views. *I would also add, no animals were hurt in the
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Lucreatia , i don`t recall that i wrote the terms correct or
appropriate in my words about your Shown handcrafted objects. Thus you
are just blowing into the wind, i really gave you a compliment ,,
which you turned into a flame war ,,,
mirjam

On 2/6/08 8:41 PM, in article ,
"Lucille" lzoltynospam@now at comcast..net wrote:


"lucretia borgia" wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 18:55:42 -0600, Olwyn Mary
opined:

I do design most of my own work, and do my own finishing (which means it
takes me much longer to complete a project than my friends who are happy
not to bother with such things) but I don't consider myself an artist.
I am proudly an artisan. This may be because there was a period in my
life when I saw all kinds of sloppy work being accepted because it was
"art". When this thread came up, I was reminded of Edith John's "New
Stitches for Needlecraft" in which she says "....I have no time for the
deliberately poor technique which is so often presented as a gesture of
defiance at tradition, worked, one is solemnly assured, in the cause of
freedom and self expression. I have no time for ill mounted or soiled
work, and very little for embroidery, no matter how original, which is
totally unsuitable for its purpose. Neither have I a great deal of
sympathy for the experienced and clever needlewomen who are so narrow in
their outlook that they condemn every serious effort to widen and enrich
the field of embroidery."

I guess I agree with her.

Olwyn Mary in New Orleans.

I can go with that but would also add that I do what pleases me and
what makes me happy and satisfies my desires in needlework. What
others believe is 'correct' 'appropriate' etc may not necessarily
reflect my views. I would also add, no animals were hurt in the
making of this lol


I'm sure there are others who like me, sometimes do a piece using a new to
them technique. For example, I did a small hardanger piece purely and
simply because I wanted to know what people on RCTN were talking about when
they discussed hardanger. I didn't then, and still don't much like the look
of hardanger, but I loved learning how to do it and seeing that I could
master it.

Is that art, or craft, or school, or just plain enjoyment???





All of the above!

On 2/6/08 11:28 PM, in article ,
"Olwyn Mary" wrote:

anne wrote:
Olwyn Mary says...


I do not know of any artist or any craftwoman who does not
try out new techniques on practice pieces.


Most of the time, I like trying new things. For myself, I'd rather not
practise on a doodle cloth. I prefer doing a piece that calls for a
certain technique (as long as there's not counting sigh).

Absolutely. But then I frequently consider a pincushion, a Christmas
ornament, a corner of a traycloth or other small items to be "practice
pieces". I only use a doodle cloth if I am unsure whether or not I like
a particular stitch in a particular place (or if I have forgotten
precisely how to do it!!)

Olwyn Mary in New Orleans.

That's exactly what I have been trying!
C

Dawne i am glad you agree with me on that point,
I don`t see Libraries selling discards here , thus this wouldn`t help
me in knowing what a book in another language, actually is about. But
from experirnce in out of country libraries i found several times that
they defined , a sacred book of some culture as fiction ... which
really horrified me.

Our public library has had a sale for years, books that are outdated, are
not circulating much, or books that they have got many copies in when the
book is at the height of its popularity and don't need a year later. Also
magazines after a year or so. It makes room for new books and gives the
library some revenue.
My branch has an on-going sale table, and I donate books to them to sell
when I need to make shelf room.

I have confidence in the classification at my library, both because the
librarians are professionally trained and because they have specialist
advice in selecting books in other than English. The collections are to
meet the reading needs of people in the community that speak those
languages, rather than for academic interest, and it is very interesting to
see what languages are there. In Regina, you can borrow books in Hungarian,
Vietnamese, Russian, Japanese among others.

Dawne