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  #21  
Old February 17th 14, 04:36 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
NightMist
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Default What kind of batting do you use?

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:14:15 +0000, Patricia Storey wrote:


If I ever do antoher bed quilt, I will try wool of some sort. Any of
you experts know whether it still needs pre-washing?


The only time I have ever prewashed a wool batt was once when I used
spinners batts for an emergency need it fast child sized quilt.
Then I took and basted them between two pieces if gauze, needled the heck
out of it, bashed it around in a tub full of ice water with a stick,
washed it on cold gentle, and then tossed it into the dryer cranked all
the way up as hot as it would go. Yes I was trying to felt and shrink it
as much as I could, because I knew it was going to be washed like regular
laundry after it got to where it was going. Ironed it afterwards too.

It did felt up a fair bit, but the shrink was not as bad as I expected.
I did get a fair amount of felt in the lint filter, but again not as much
as I expected.

I have never prewashed a wool quilt batt, and never regretted not doing
so either. The only ones I have tried thus far are Hobbs, the bonded and
the Tuscany. The Tuscany silk is excellent also, but I have actually
never used it on a bed quilt. I have only used the silk on assorted
garments, and it makes good warm ones.

So far as the above mentioned child quilt:
I put it together whole cloth after beating up on the batting, tie-dyed
top from a door curtain I would need to remake for someone else later,
and flannel backing. I drew a star in the middle, and echo quilted that
out in a fairly closely spaced spiral to the edges free hand on the
machine. I actually managed to get it done start to finish in a couple
of days working full out on it.

As an addendum to the quilt, DD talked the mama into going to a shelter,
and the man who made his family sleep in the unheated garage in January
(thank heavens not this January) made the mistake of bragging about it in
a biker bar. Happy endings all around.

NightMist

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  #22  
Old February 17th 14, 07:26 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
Patricia Storey
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Default What kind of batting do you use?

In article , says...

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:14:15 +0000, Patricia Storey wrote:


If I ever do antoher bed quilt, I will try wool of some sort. Any of
you experts know whether it still needs pre-washing?


The only time I have ever prewashed a wool batt was once when I used
spinners batts for an emergency need it fast child sized quilt.
Then I took and basted them between two pieces if gauze, needled the heck
out of it, bashed it around in a tub full of ice water with a stick,
washed it on cold gentle, and then tossed it into the dryer cranked all
the way up as hot as it would go. Yes I was trying to felt and shrink it
as much as I could, because I knew it was going to be washed like regular
laundry after it got to where it was going. Ironed it afterwards too.

It did felt up a fair bit, but the shrink was not as bad as I expected.
I did get a fair amount of felt in the lint filter, but again not as much
as I expected.

I have never prewashed a wool quilt batt, and never regretted not doing
so either. The only ones I have tried thus far are Hobbs, the bonded and
the Tuscany. The Tuscany silk is excellent also, but I have actually
never used it on a bed quilt. I have only used the silk on assorted
garments, and it makes good warm ones.

So far as the above mentioned child quilt:
I put it together whole cloth after beating up on the batting, tie-dyed
top from a door curtain I would need to remake for someone else later,
and flannel backing. I drew a star in the middle, and echo quilted that
out in a fairly closely spaced spiral to the edges free hand on the
machine. I actually managed to get it done start to finish in a couple
of days working full out on it.

As an addendum to the quilt, DD talked the mama into going to a shelter,
and the man who made his family sleep in the unheated garage in January
(thank heavens not this January) made the mistake of bragging about it in
a biker bar. Happy endings all around.

NightMist


Thanks for all this information Nightmist. I have a couple of things to
do before I do another bed quilt - and they could take some time; but I
do think I might try a wool one, so I'm grateful for all the info. and
opinions I can get. I have a felted wool jacket, and I really like the
effect (though of course it wouldn't be visible as a batting! - would
feel good though, very sturdy).

Pat on the green
  #23  
Old February 20th 14, 01:26 AM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
fran
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Default What kind of batting do you use?

I have used silk batting and found it better than cotton, and not
nearly as warm as polyester. I used it in one of my sprig/fall quilts
(here in NC summers I tend not to use blankets at all). I think if I
had used 2 layers, it would have been warm enough for winter use.

Silk was easy to sew through and did not require any type of
pre-washing - just stitch and go.

On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 08:26:00 +0000, Shirley
wrote:

On 15/02/2014 19:14, Patricia Storey wrote:
In article ,
says...

I am a fan of regular 80/20 batting.
If something is not warm enough, I usually layer, because my own body temp can change so rapidly. What is comfortable now isn't, in 10 minutes. I am trying to work on a flimsy for my bed, that will have no batting at all. In the winters it will cover the extra blankets on the bed.

Ginger in CA
[whoo-hoo! hoping this goes through!


I see you across the pond, too! Good to see you - missed you.

I finish a quilt so rarely that I hardly know what batting I use.
However, for all my wallhanging type quilts, I use fusible: I really
love that for the purpose. I think it would be too stiff for a cosy bed
quilt; and I doubt it would be warm.

If I ever do antoher bed quilt, I will try wool of some sort. Any of
you experts know whether it still needs pre-washing?

Pat on the Green


What about pure silk. I have a double bed size silk batting. Never got
around to using it and eyesight not very good with cataracts forming but
not ready to be removed.

I also have a silk filled duvet that I do not use because I found it too
warm. However it is packed away in case we ever get power cuts.

we are fortunate that the floods are not affecting us because we live
640 feet above sea level.
Hugs
Shirley

  #24  
Old February 20th 14, 03:26 AM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
KT in Mich[_2_]
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Default What kind of batting do you use?

Thanks for your response. I have ordered a crib size poly and a crib
size silk so I can compare. Going to stay away from wool only because
of all the allergies in my family.
KT.


"Fran" wrote in message
I have used silk batting and found it better than cotton, and not
nearly as warm as polyester. I used it in one of my sprig/fall
quilts
(here in NC summers I tend not to use blankets at all). I think if
I
had used 2 layers, it would have been warm enough for winter use.

Silk was easy to sew through and did not require any type of
pre-washing - just stitch and go.


  #25  
Old February 22nd 14, 06:21 AM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
Sandy E
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Default What kind of batting do you use?

Howdy!
Hobbs Heirloom.
I've just inherited a small quilt project from a friend who used Warm&Nat,
it's already pinned so I'm leaving it as is, adding some borders. It's
fairly easy to handquilt. And is plenty warm, on a below-freezing afternoon
in north Texas. Warm & Natural has a long reputation for warmth.
But I prefer Hobbs Heirloom.
http://www.hobbsbondedfibers.com/

Just because a batting pkg sez "can be quilted 8 (or 10) inches apart"
does NOT mean that it should be. Quilting it more closely helps to make
that quilt warmer. Also keeps the quilt together longer, maintains its
"integrity." There's a reason for some quilting traditions, like good
quilting. Less is... well, less.
Good luck!

Ragmop/Sandy



On 2/14/14 8:42 AM, in article , "KT in Mich"
wrote:

With the bitter cold we are experiencing in most of the US right now,
it's been a good time to "test" all those quilts we've made. Big
disappointment for me. With one exception, I've always used Warm and
Natural needled cotton. I like it because it can be quilted up to 10
inches apart. But I don't like the thinness or its drape, and now have
discovered there is NO warmth to it at all; like sleeping under a
sheet. So I'm gonna change, especially for quilts used for wrapping me
in. But to what, in order to get at least a bit of loft, nice drape
(hang), and WARMTH. I know I'll have to give up the 10 inch quilting
but that's ok as long as I can still get about 6 inches apart. What
do you use or recommend?

KT. in MI


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Old February 22nd 14, 07:26 AM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
Leslie & The Furbabies in MO.
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Default What kind of batting do you use?

I'm curious about the quilting closer makes it warmer idea. Thinking of insulation in a house you want a thick layer to trap air and hold in warmth- and the insulation is some kind of thick fluffy material for the desired dead air space. Then I think compressed would be compacted tighter and hold warmth in- trapped under an impermeable (correct word and spelling???) layer. Am I confused or can the argument really go either way?

(I'm thinking NightMist will come up with the correct answer. VBG)

Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. where we are getting very tempting little bits of spring... just before another cold spell hits next week


On Friday, February 14, 2014 8:42:37 AM UTC-6, KT in Mich wrote:
With the bitter cold we are experiencing in most of the US right now,

it's been a good time to "test" all those quilts we've made. Big

disappointment for me. With one exception, I've always used Warm and

Natural needled cotton. I like it because it can be quilted up to 10

inches apart. But I don't like the thinness or its drape, and now have

discovered there is NO warmth to it at all; like sleeping under a

sheet. So I'm gonna change, especially for quilts used for wrapping me

in. But to what, in order to get at least a bit of loft, nice drape

(hang), and WARMTH. I know I'll have to give up the 10 inch quilting

but that's ok as long as I can still get about 6 inches apart. What

do you use or recommend?



KT. in MI


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Old February 22nd 14, 03:20 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
Julia in MN[_5_]
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Really close quilting (like 1/4" apart) will compress the batting
enough, I think, to reduce the insulating effect. But good insulation
traps air so that it can't move. Perhaps if quilting is too widely
space, the air can move around too much inside the quilt. On the other
hand, down comforters and feather beds are quilted minimally, if at all,
and they are very warm.

Julia in MN

On 2/22/2014 12:26 AM, Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. wrote:
I'm curious about the quilting closer makes it warmer idea. Thinking
of insulation in a house you want a thick layer to trap air and hold
in warmth- and the insulation is some kind of thick fluffy material
for the desired dead air space. Then I think compressed would be
compacted tighter and hold warmth in- trapped under an impermeable
(correct word and spelling???) layer. Am I confused or can the
argument really go either way?

(I'm thinking NightMist will come up with the correct answer. VBG)

Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. where we are getting very tempting
little bits of spring... just before another cold spell hits next
week


On Friday, February 14, 2014 8:42:37 AM UTC-6, KT in Mich wrote:
With the bitter cold we are experiencing in most of the US right
now,

it's been a good time to "test" all those quilts we've made. Big

disappointment for me. With one exception, I've always used Warm
and

Natural needled cotton. I like it because it can be quilted up to
10

inches apart. But I don't like the thinness or its drape, and now
have

discovered there is NO warmth to it at all; like sleeping under a

sheet. So I'm gonna change, especially for quilts used for wrapping
me

in. But to what, in order to get at least a bit of loft, nice
drape

(hang), and WARMTH. I know I'll have to give up the 10 inch
quilting

but that's ok as long as I can still get about 6 inches apart.
What

do you use or recommend?



KT. in MI



  #28  
Old February 22nd 14, 07:19 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
NightMist
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Default What kind of batting do you use?

Everybody is right, I think.

Here's the thing though...
If you have had a down comforter for some years, you know you have to
take it out and beat it up now and again to keep the down fluffy and
spread out evenly. You also know that feathers keep popping out here and
there and now and again. There is no help for it with a down comforter,
because you really cannot use closer lines of stitching on them. They
are made in channels or pockets and filled. Trying to quilt over
feathers tends to make a real mess and you get quill bits stabbing out.
We could talk about poor Aunt Miriam's chicken feather bed here, but that
would be best avoided! (G)

With batting you can fix the clumping problem and reduce bearding (the
poking out) by quilting more closely. Stabilizing the batting is key in
making a quilt that will be warm for years to come. The closer you quilt
the more stable the batting. I'm certain there is such a thing as too
close, but that would be a real chore to pull off.
I am sure you have seen older tied quilts, with no actual quilting, that
have lumps and bumps and empty places. You can fix that, but it is a
pain in the asterisk.
Lumpy, bumpy, bunchy quilts are not warm quilts.
Even if the batting says you can use widely spaced quilting, eventually
it will bunch up. Quilts are not stationary objects unless they are wall
hangers, and even then there is gravity. They are pushed, pulled,
flopped about, and spun round and round, and that is not even counting
children's quilts. All these mechanical stresses will move the batting
around between the quilting. If it only has a little space to move in it
will take less damage than if it has a large space. It is as simple as
that.
Batting is just fibers stuck together, either in a tangle or with a resin
or other such "glue" either throughout or just on either side. Move it
around regularly and it will begin to pull apart. Quilting doesn't just
hold all three layers together, it inhibits the movement of the batting
layer so it does not go to pieces as quickly, and if you use close
quilting, it keeps it contained in small areas so it does not ball up
when it does come apart. IME quilts with standard batting that are
closely quilted will wear out the fabric on the top and bottom well
before the batting bunches.
If you are making an object d'art, or a quilt that you do not plan on
being long lived it doesn't matter so much how close the quilting is.
However if you are making a quilt that is destined to be used to bits
then closer quilting is better.

The batting itself is of course a factor in how close is close enough.
If you are using fleece fabric, you can probably get away with 6-8 inches
(1). If you are using thermore or other such fabric intended for
interior linings and the like, I would go no more than half that(2).
On standard battings I consider an inch or two the maximum I will space
my quilting.
That spinners batt I mentioned in a previous post I quilted at about
quarter inch intervals. Even though I beat the heck out of it trying to
felt it and still had it sandwiched in gauze.

I think that the air between the layers is sufficient to insulate.
If you look at some of the warmest clothing (not including down or an
imitation thereof) very little of it is poofy. Heck, look at space
blankets, non-woven, and thin, yet warm It is about keeping your body
heat rather than letting it escape away into the cold. Perfect is
keeping enough to stay comfortable, while letting just enough get away
that you do not turn into a sweatball.

NightMist

(1) I have only done a batting with fleece once, and I quilted it about 3
inches apart. I felt weird doing it too, though even farther apart might
have been better. It was minkee-fleece-minkee. My grandson will not
stay in bed but he loooves minkee! So now he rolls up in that and stays
warm on the floor. Yeah DD gets up and puts him back in bed several
times a night, once in a while he stays there. Hope this phase is over
soon.

(2) I have never quilted thermore or equivalent that far apart, I only
use it on garments and on those I tend to be rather exuberant with my
quilting. Scrolls and flourishes and all manor of fuss and fancy, done
rather small and close.


On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 08:20:21 -0600, Julia in MN wrote:

Really close quilting (like 1/4" apart) will compress the batting
enough, I think, to reduce the insulating effect. But good insulation
traps air so that it can't move. Perhaps if quilting is too widely
space, the air can move around too much inside the quilt. On the other
hand, down comforters and feather beds are quilted minimally, if at all,
and they are very warm.

Julia in MN

On 2/22/2014 12:26 AM, Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. wrote:
I'm curious about the quilting closer makes it warmer idea. Thinking
of insulation in a house you want a thick layer to trap air and hold in
warmth- and the insulation is some kind of thick fluffy material for
the desired dead air space. Then I think compressed would be
compacted tighter and hold warmth in- trapped under an impermeable
(correct word and spelling???) layer. Am I confused or can the
argument really go either way?

(I'm thinking NightMist will come up with the correct answer. VBG)

Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. where we are getting very tempting little
bits of spring... just before another cold spell hits next week


On Friday, February 14, 2014 8:42:37 AM UTC-6, KT in Mich wrote:
With the bitter cold we are experiencing in most of the US right now,

it's been a good time to "test" all those quilts we've made. Big

disappointment for me. With one exception, I've always used Warm and

Natural needled cotton. I like it because it can be quilted up to 10

inches apart. But I don't like the thinness or its drape, and now have

discovered there is NO warmth to it at all; like sleeping under a

sheet. So I'm gonna change, especially for quilts used for wrapping me

in. But to what, in order to get at least a bit of loft, nice drape

(hang), and WARMTH. I know I'll have to give up the 10 inch quilting

but that's ok as long as I can still get about 6 inches apart. What

do you use or recommend?



KT. in MI



  #29  
Old February 22nd 14, 11:41 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
Taria
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seems the answers to so many questions lately is 'it depends'.
Taria

"Julia in MN" wrote in message ...

Really close quilting (like 1/4" apart) will compress the batting
enough, I think, to reduce the insulating effect. But good insulation
traps air so that it can't move. Perhaps if quilting is too widely
space, the air can move around too much inside the quilt. On the other
hand, down comforters and feather beds are quilted minimally, if at all,
and they are very warm.

Julia in MN

On 2/22/2014 12:26 AM, Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. wrote:
I'm curious about the quilting closer makes it warmer idea. Thinking
of insulation in a house you want a thick layer to trap air and hold
in warmth- and the insulation is some kind of thick fluffy material
for the desired dead air space. Then I think compressed would be
compacted tighter and hold warmth in- trapped under an impermeable
(correct word and spelling???) layer. Am I confused or can the
argument really go either way?

(I'm thinking NightMist will come up with the correct answer. VBG)

Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. where we are getting very tempting
little bits of spring... just before another cold spell hits next
week


On Friday, February 14, 2014 8:42:37 AM UTC-6, KT in Mich wrote:
With the bitter cold we are experiencing in most of the US right
now,

it's been a good time to "test" all those quilts we've made. Big

disappointment for me. With one exception, I've always used Warm
and

Natural needled cotton. I like it because it can be quilted up to
10

inches apart. But I don't like the thinness or its drape, and now
have

discovered there is NO warmth to it at all; like sleeping under a

sheet. So I'm gonna change, especially for quilts used for wrapping
me

in. But to what, in order to get at least a bit of loft, nice
drape

(hang), and WARMTH. I know I'll have to give up the 10 inch
quilting

but that's ok as long as I can still get about 6 inches apart.
What

do you use or recommend?



KT. in MI


  #30  
Old February 22nd 14, 11:59 PM posted to rec.crafts.textiles.quilting
KT in Mich[_2_]
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Thank you, NightMist! Your email is a keeper and so full of good
info.
At first I was reluctant to post my question, but based on sooooo many
responses, I guess I'm not the only one who was looking for good
information. You and others have done a great job in responding!

KT. in MI

"NightMist" wrote in message
...
Everybody is right, I think.

Here's the thing though...
If you have had a down comforter for some years, you know you have
to
take it out and beat it up now and again to keep the down fluffy and
spread out evenly. You also know that feathers keep popping out
here and
there and now and again. There is no help for it with a down
comforter,
because you really cannot use closer lines of stitching on them.
They
are made in channels or pockets and filled. Trying to quilt over
feathers tends to make a real mess and you get quill bits stabbing
out.
We could talk about poor Aunt Miriam's chicken feather bed here, but
that
would be best avoided! (G)

With batting you can fix the clumping problem and reduce bearding
(the
poking out) by quilting more closely. Stabilizing the batting is
key in
making a quilt that will be warm for years to come. The closer you
quilt
the more stable the batting. I'm certain there is such a thing as
too
close, but that would be a real chore to pull off.
I am sure you have seen older tied quilts, with no actual quilting,
that
have lumps and bumps and empty places. You can fix that, but it is
a
pain in the asterisk.
Lumpy, bumpy, bunchy quilts are not warm quilts.
Even if the batting says you can use widely spaced quilting,
eventually
it will bunch up. Quilts are not stationary objects unless they are
wall
hangers, and even then there is gravity. They are pushed, pulled,
flopped about, and spun round and round, and that is not even
counting
children's quilts. All these mechanical stresses will move the
batting
around between the quilting. If it only has a little space to move
in it
will take less damage than if it has a large space. It is as simple
as
that.
Batting is just fibers stuck together, either in a tangle or with a
resin
or other such "glue" either throughout or just on either side. Move
it
around regularly and it will begin to pull apart. Quilting doesn't
just
hold all three layers together, it inhibits the movement of the
batting
layer so it does not go to pieces as quickly, and if you use close
quilting, it keeps it contained in small areas so it does not ball
up
when it does come apart. IME quilts with standard batting that are
closely quilted will wear out the fabric on the top and bottom well
before the batting bunches.
If you are making an object d'art, or a quilt that you do not plan
on
being long lived it doesn't matter so much how close the quilting
is.
However if you are making a quilt that is destined to be used to
bits
then closer quilting is better.

The batting itself is of course a factor in how close is close
enough.
If you are using fleece fabric, you can probably get away with 6-8
inches
(1). If you are using thermore or other such fabric intended for
interior linings and the like, I would go no more than half that(2).
On standard battings I consider an inch or two the maximum I will
space
my quilting.
That spinners batt I mentioned in a previous post I quilted at about
quarter inch intervals. Even though I beat the heck out of it
trying to
felt it and still had it sandwiched in gauze.

I think that the air between the layers is sufficient to insulate.
If you look at some of the warmest clothing (not including down or
an
imitation thereof) very little of it is poofy. Heck, look at space
blankets, non-woven, and thin, yet warm It is about keeping your
body
heat rather than letting it escape away into the cold. Perfect is
keeping enough to stay comfortable, while letting just enough get
away
that you do not turn into a sweatball.

NightMist

(1) I have only done a batting with fleece once, and I quilted it
about 3
inches apart. I felt weird doing it too, though even farther apart
might
have been better. It was minkee-fleece-minkee. My grandson will
not
stay in bed but he loooves minkee! So now he rolls up in that and
stays
warm on the floor. Yeah DD gets up and puts him back in bed several
times a night, once in a while he stays there. Hope this phase is
over
soon.

(2) I have never quilted thermore or equivalent that far apart, I
only
use it on garments and on those I tend to be rather exuberant with
my
quilting. Scrolls and flourishes and all manor of fuss and fancy,
done
rather small and close.


On Sat, 22 Feb 2014 08:20:21 -0600, Julia in MN wrote:

Really close quilting (like 1/4" apart) will compress the batting
enough, I think, to reduce the insulating effect. But good
insulation
traps air so that it can't move. Perhaps if quilting is too widely
space, the air can move around too much inside the quilt. On the
other
hand, down comforters and feather beds are quilted minimally, if at
all,
and they are very warm.

Julia in MN

On 2/22/2014 12:26 AM, Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. wrote:
I'm curious about the quilting closer makes it warmer idea.
Thinking
of insulation in a house you want a thick layer to trap air and
hold in
warmth- and the insulation is some kind of thick fluffy material
for
the desired dead air space. Then I think compressed would be
compacted tighter and hold warmth in- trapped under an impermeable
(correct word and spelling???) layer. Am I confused or can the
argument really go either way?

(I'm thinking NightMist will come up with the correct answer.
VBG)

Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. where we are getting very tempting
little
bits of spring... just before another cold spell hits next week


On Friday, February 14, 2014 8:42:37 AM UTC-6, KT in Mich wrote:
With the bitter cold we are experiencing in most of the US right
now,

it's been a good time to "test" all those quilts we've made. Big

disappointment for me. With one exception, I've always used Warm
and

Natural needled cotton. I like it because it can be quilted up
to 10

inches apart. But I don't like the thinness or its drape, and now
have

discovered there is NO warmth to it at all; like sleeping under a

sheet. So I'm gonna change, especially for quilts used for
wrapping me

in. But to what, in order to get at least a bit of loft, nice
drape

(hang), and WARMTH. I know I'll have to give up the 10 inch
quilting

but that's ok as long as I can still get about 6 inches apart.
What

do you use or recommend?



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