9/11, sewing, and off topic thoughts

Well, Tom, I disagree!

The President only has 1/3 the power or 1/4 if you count the Supreme Court.
That is not enough power for the President to do all the damage you claim.
When you leave out info like that is seems like slander and tring to get
hold of peoples feelings to get a handle on them so they don't think. What
you wrote and how you wrote it sounds very manipulative. If you look at
Seattle and Boeing where probably more jobs have been lost than anywhere
else in the USA since 9/11 It's not Bush who is the problem it's the fear
factor of getting in a jetliner that cause so many jets not to be built that
would have been built, so many lay offs. Not even Bush is that stupid to
want that!

You talk about Bush trying to prevent 2,000 people in FL from voteing, which
I believe is questionable, but say nothing about Gore trying to prevent
solders abroad from there votes being counted- and you can listen to Gore
saying there vote shouldn't count. The Dictionary says that telling part of
the truth and leaving out some truth is telling a lie. When people have to
make a decision they need all the facts and not be cheated. It seems to me
the libral media ran down France not Bush.

There are many things I don't like about Bush. But, there are more things I
don't like about Kerry. How do you explain about Kerry voteing to send
people to war, but voteing against those he sends to war not haveing better
personal armour- would you like to be one of those solders with Kerry as
President? I wouldn't! What about Kerry hideing his $800,000 yatch when
voting time comes? After all, doesn't he claim to be for the poor? He is
certainly not up front! If Kerry only voted on 20% of the things he was
voted in to vote on- Why would you think he could make a good President? If
you did 20% of your job working for a company you would be fired! It seems
kind of filthy to me for him to con people to vote for him when he won't
even do what they voted him in to do!

You haven't explained one reason to vote for Kerry. Your only explaination
is to vote against Bush? What if Kerry is worse? If you bring up the
environment, Remember This- some people have hijacked the environmental
movement; There dreams have been burned by there own stupidity- they got
there rules and lost. The forrest fires of the last several years, thanks
to Clinton and wacko environmentalist, have destroyed millions of acres of
land killing off thousand of spotted owls, etc. Where as, the lands that
were not under these wacko protections still have the spotted owls, etc.
Who won? The wacko's still havn't admitted it. There such losers they
can't even admit it, even to there dumb selfs. Bush has not taken away
freedom of speech. Bush hasn't taken away gun rights- anybody who votes
against gun rights is voting for crime. Englands crime rate sky rocketed
when gun rights were taken away and taxed- higher in London than NY City,
nowadays. If you believe in law enforcement to protect you - you got more
rocks in your head than you deserve, no doubt law enforcement should be
first reaction if can, but that is not always possible, last reaction would
be a gun- how much is your life worth? If Kerry is so interested in helping
the poor and helpless? How can he be taking human life in the name of
abortion? Is he not suppose to be defending those people? 1,000 solders is
alot lest innocent life being killed than the murder that Kerry has partaken
in! I believe in capital punishment for those who choose to do terrible
things to other humans, but not for the innocent, especially for those who
ought to be safe inside there mothers. By the way, less people have died
per year in Iraqi since America has stepped in than when Sudam was running
it. I don't think we should have gone into Iraqi. When it comes to the
hundreds of things to vote for and against - Bush wins my vote. When voting
you need to think, not let someone else think for you! Pursue the facts,
not feelings. Fact + twist = lie! Stay away from lies and vote Responsibly!
Since they both lie- Good Luck!

John

"Tom Farrell" wrote in message
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And so another 9/11 has come and gone.

9/11/2001 began in confusion for me.


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Okay, I've stayed out of this long enough.

A wrote:
Well, Tom, I disagree!

The President only has 1/3 the power or 1/4 if you count the Supreme Court.
That is not enough power for the President to do all the damage you claim.

There is a Republican Congress, and a Republican Senate, so ALL the
power is held by one party. That is contrary to the way the Constitution
was set up, and bad for the country because it doesn't truly represent
the populace. This is American Government, as taught in 7th grade.

If Kerry only voted on 20% of the things he was
voted in to vote on- Why would you think he could make a good President? If
you did 20% of your job working for a company you would be fired! It seems
kind of filthy to me for him to con people to vote for him when he won't
even do what they voted him in to do!

At least he has 25 years of service in national government; at the time
of his inauguration, Bush had zip, zero, nada. In fact, he had less than
a full six years as governor of Texas, which was his only public service
(and almost the only job he ever had). Furthermore, John Kerry has
actually been out of the US more than once in his life; Bush had been
out of the US, and therefore ignorant of the rest of the world, only
once or twice before he became president. And now what is HE doing to
service the country? Every single day he has been campaigning, for the
last year plus, and at a time when we are in a crisis. He's been in
Cincinnati alone at least four times; I can only imagine how many other
cities he's been to at least once. If he were really, truly concerned
about the state of this country, he'd stay put and not be gallivanting
around, begging for votes. If he had enough integrity, he wouldn't even
have to go on a campaign. But our country is not better than it was four
years ago, since he hasn't done anything but attempt to limit a woman's
right to choose, and to keep gays from getting married (which I hadn't
realized was such a threat). In the meantime, our health insurance,
which we buy as self-employed people, has gone up 150%. We pay more in
health insurance premiums per month than we pay for our mortgage. And
get less for it, every year.

The forrest fires of the last several years, thanks
to Clinton and wacko environmentalist, have destroyed millions of acres of
land killing off thousand of spotted owls, etc. Where as, the lands that
were not under these wacko protections still have the spotted owls, etc.
Who won? The wacko's still havn't admitted it. There such losers they
can't even admit it, even to there dumb selfs.

This is just silly. And by the way, could you, or any other neo-con,
ever refer to non-Republicans with respect? Apparently not. Why is
"liberal" a bad word, and why do people who aren't like-minded "wackos"?

If Kerry is so interested in helping
the poor and helpless? How can he be taking human life in the name of
abortion?

Has it ever occurred to you that MEN are the cause of unwanted
pregnancy? And that if MEN were taking responsibility, we wouldn't have
so much poverty, so many fatherless children, and so many women
desparate enough to want to terminate unwanted pregnancies. Men can
father a child and walk away, never to look back; a woman has to then
carry the child, raise it, and support it for the next 18 years, at
least. I'm not saying that I'm "for" abortion (as John Kerry is not
"for" abortion, but rather for a woman's choice), but I'm totally for
people--all people--taking responsibility for their actions, and to have
the right to choose which course their life will take.

Stepping off my soapbox now,
Karen in Ohio

Karen Maslowski wrote:

If Kerry is so interested in helping

the poor and helpless? How can he be taking human life in the name
of abortion?


Has it ever occurred to you that MEN are the cause of unwanted
pregnancy? And that if MEN were taking responsibility, we wouldn't have
so much poverty, so many fatherless children, and so many women
desparate enough to want to terminate unwanted pregnancies. Men can
father a child and walk away, never to look back; a woman has to then
carry the child, raise it, and support it for the next 18 years, at
least. I'm not saying that I'm "for" abortion (as John Kerry is not
"for" abortion, but rather for a woman's choice), but I'm totally for
people--all people--taking responsibility for their actions, and to have
the right to choose which course their life will take.

Stepping off my soapbox now,
Karen in Ohio


One of the more interesting facts about this issue is that
no court in the U.S. will order anyone, man or woman, to
donate bone marrow (or a kidney) to save the life of
someone in need, even if they are family. If a person
cannot be forced against their will to endure a medical
treatment of one day, with recovery time of six weeks or
less, why should a person be forced to endure nine months?
--

Joanne @ stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us
http://bernardschopen.tripod.com/
Life is about the journey, not about the destination.

"A" wrote in message
news:YXZ5d.269884$Fg5.108983@attbi_s53...
Well, Tom, I disagree!

There are many things I don't like about Bush. But, there are more things
I
don't like about Kerry. How do you explain about Kerry voteing to send
people to war, but voteing against those he sends to war not haveing
better
personal armour- would you like to be one of those solders with Kerry as
President? I wouldn't!


Cite please. Bush is president. The repubs are in charge of congress.
How the soldiers are equipped is up to them.

I do not understand how anyone can support Bush.

Oh - and that abortion thing - You're so worried about babies, but you don't
give a fig about the young men and women they grow up into - young men and
women sent to die for the Bush Family Ego and the Cheney Family fortune.

It's amazing how things get twisted - lack of soldiers' body armor is now
Kerry's fault!!!!!


Iris

You guys gonna let someone get you all stirred up again. Register
to vote and then do it your way. Don't all get in a twit here again.
There are a lot of ways to get involved if you have an interest.
Call your party and volunteer to help. Anything but let's sew here.

What are you sewing this week?
Taria

I AM IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH TARIA!
I'm making amplifier covers for DS's several amps, one of them I recently
bought for his birthday which is this weekend. I found some black 100%
cotton with a design of neon-colored guitars. If i have enough fabric left,
and I think I will, I'm going to make covers for the DGS, who also plays
guitar.
Emily

"Karen Maslowski" wrote in message
...
Okay, I've stayed out of this long enough.

A wrote:
Well, Tom, I disagree!

The President only has 1/3 the power or 1/4 if you count the Supreme
Court.
That is not enough power for the President to do all the damage you
claim.

There is a Republican Congress, and a Republican Senate, so ALL the
power is held by one party. That is contrary to the way the Constitution
was set up, and bad for the country because it doesn't truly represent
the populace. This is American Government, as taught in 7th grade.

If Kerry only voted on 20% of the things he was
voted in to vote on- Why would you think he could make a good
President? If
you did 20% of your job working for a company you would be fired! It
seems
kind of filthy to me for him to con people to vote for him when he
won't
even do what they voted him in to do!

At least he has 25 years of service in national government; at the time
of his inauguration, Bush had zip, zero, nada. In fact, he had less than
a full six years as governor of Texas, which was his only public service
(and almost the only job he ever had). Furthermore, John Kerry has
actually been out of the US more than once in his life; Bush had been
out of the US, and therefore ignorant of the rest of the world, only
once or twice before he became president. And now what is HE doing to
service the country? Every single day he has been campaigning, for the
last year plus, and at a time when we are in a crisis. He's been in
Cincinnati alone at least four times; I can only imagine how many other
cities he's been to at least once. If he were really, truly concerned
about the state of this country, he'd stay put and not be gallivanting
around, begging for votes. If he had enough integrity, he wouldn't even
have to go on a campaign. But our country is not better than it was four
years ago, since he hasn't done anything but attempt to limit a woman's
right to choose, and to keep gays from getting married (which I hadn't
realized was such a threat). In the meantime, our health insurance,
which we buy as self-employed people, has gone up 150%. We pay more in
health insurance premiums per month than we pay for our mortgage. And
get less for it, every year.

The forrest fires of the last several years, thanks
to Clinton and wacko environmentalist, have destroyed millions of acres
of
land killing off thousand of spotted owls, etc. Where as, the lands
that
were not under these wacko protections still have the spotted owls,
etc.
Who won? The wacko's still havn't admitted it. There such losers they
can't even admit it, even to there dumb selfs.

This is just silly. And by the way, could you, or any other neo-con,
ever refer to non-Republicans with respect? Apparently not. Why is
"liberal" a bad word, and why do people who aren't like-minded "wackos"?

If Kerry is so interested in helping
the poor and helpless? How can he be taking human life in the name of
abortion?

Has it ever occurred to you that MEN are the cause of unwanted
pregnancy? And that if MEN were taking responsibility, we wouldn't have
so much poverty, so many fatherless children, and so many women
desparate enough to want to terminate unwanted pregnancies. Men can
father a child and walk away, never to look back; a woman has to then
carry the child, raise it, and support it for the next 18 years, at
least. I'm not saying that I'm "for" abortion (as John Kerry is not
"for" abortion, but rather for a woman's choice), but I'm totally for
people--all people--taking responsibility for their actions, and to have
the right to choose which course their life will take.

Stepping off my soapbox now,
Karen in Ohio


Thank you Karen, that was excellent! We here in Europe are terrified that
Bush will get another 4 years, thus making the damage he has done
irreperable. I know this is a sewing newsgroup but feel it is important not
to let falsehoods go unopposed.

Kirsten Sollie
Heimdal, Norway (and Florida voter, Leon County)

Hmmm...what gun rights were taken away in England? I do remember a
toughening up on the rules so all guns had to be locked away etc, but lets
face it, even the police here dont carry guns, hardly comparable! And
hardly relevant to a conversation on US politics.
But anyway, seeing as I havent voted for the last 20 years (I cling to my
right to vote or NOT to vote as I see fit).....Im making a pretty red velvet
dress today!
Im also working hard on convincing other half I need...thats NEED....a new
sewing machine.
Amanda

Hey Emily, That's a great idea. DH has 2 amps sitting here and I am
worried the cats are going to get to them. I keep throwing towels over
them. I have some of that guitar fabric. I tried to talk DD into a
valance but at 20 she wasn't going for it.
Taria

Emily wrote:
I AM IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH TARIA!
I'm making amplifier covers for DS's several amps, one of them I recently
bought for his birthday which is this weekend. I found some black 100%
cotton with a design of neon-colored guitars. If i have enough fabric left,
and I think I will, I'm going to make covers for the DGS, who also plays
guitar.
Emily

Emily wrote:

I AM IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH TARIA!
I'm making amplifier covers for DS's several amps, one of them I recently
bought for his birthday which is this weekend. I found some black 100%
cotton with a design of neon-colored guitars. If i have enough fabric left,
and I think I will, I'm going to make covers for the DGS, who also plays
guitar.
Emily


I'm so sorry! I *have* to reply!

Emily, why did you want to cover up your DGS??? ;-

Speaking of guitars and funky fabrics: has anyone ever made a guitar
case? My hard cases are really, *really* old and sort of falling apart.
I keep rehabilitating them with glue, but can't seem to find one (glue)
that will last and hold the covering papers down. Anyway, I've often
thought of making my own case. Once, when I was younger, more patient
and a lot better-off, I dreamed of making a tooled leather case. Since
the cost of a hide is now sky-high, I've shelved that idea.

I reckon I could easily cut a pattern from either the old cases or even
the guitars themselves. The thing is, though, whatever I make needs to
protect the instruments adequately. One of them is a beautiful Italian
12-string, very heavy and with great, walloping reinforcement block in
its neck. I can imagine bashing it against something in a soft case and
gouging a great hunk out of it!!! =:-0

If anyone has any ideas, I'd *love* to hear them!

For example: what fabric would be most suitable? Is there anything a bit
'gutsier' I could use to increase the protection? Could I use batting,
for instance? Would a few layers of interfacing help? Any point in using
buckram? Is there anything (some kind of stiff plastic?) I could
sandwich between layers to add strength?

???

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Trish {|:-} Newcastle, NSW, Australia