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Ok, an oxygen concentrator... will have to look into that. Hubby did not
like the idea of oxygen tanks in the house either. The more I learn the more I realize I don't know. Will check the link and search wet canvas again. Thanks for answering my questions |
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This is where I got my concentrator - it's about $300 including shipping and
will last for a really long time. Extremely easy to use, and you never have to pay again for oxygen. http://suncoastbeads.com/ I was paying about $100 per month for oxygen tanks to be filled and delivered to my house. Of course, I used a tank every two weeks - that's about 30 hours per week on the torch for me. Your useage may vary, but the super nice thing is there's never any worrying about running out of oxy, or waiting for the delivery guy. The concentrator has already paid for itself in my book. Check wetcanvas for lots of info on concentrators - also Paulette, the owner of the site above, frequently posts info on wetcanvas and is very good about answering technical questions. -- Kandice Seeber Air & Earth Designs http://www.lampwork.net "Pam" wrote in message news:IVBib.753142$YN5.706664@sccrnsc01... Ok, an oxygen concentrator... will have to look into that. Hubby did not like the idea of oxygen tanks in the house either. The more I learn the more I realize I don't know. Will check the link and search wet canvas again. Thanks for answering my questions |
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This is where I got my concentrator - it's about $300 including shipping and
will last for a really long time. Extremely easy to use, and you never have to pay again for oxygen. http://suncoastbeads.com/ I was paying about $100 per month for oxygen tanks to be filled and delivered to my house. Of course, I used a tank every two weeks - that's about 30 hours per week on the torch for me. Your useage may vary, but the super nice thing is there's never any worrying about running out of oxy, or waiting for the delivery guy. The concentrator has already paid for itself in my book. Check wetcanvas for lots of info on concentrators - also Paulette, the owner of the site above, frequently posts info on wetcanvas and is very good about answering technical questions. -- Kandice Seeber Air & Earth Designs http://www.lampwork.net "Pam" wrote in message news:IVBib.753142$YN5.706664@sccrnsc01... Ok, an oxygen concentrator... will have to look into that. Hubby did not like the idea of oxygen tanks in the house either. The more I learn the more I realize I don't know. Will check the link and search wet canvas again. Thanks for answering my questions |
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Question - can you only use this kiln for batch annealing? How would
you put one bead in at a time - wouldn't it mess up what was going on inside to open the door each time? Secondary question - how does batch annealing work? What do you do with the beads between the time you finish them and putting them in the kiln? Thanks! Karin KDK wrote: Woo hoo!!!! The kiln I have ordered is this one: http://www.hotglassbeads.com/kilnproducts.htm I ordered it because it is 12 inches deep- so it should hold mandrels. I don't have it yet though You can also use a butane torch to fire PMC and the "hot pot". Can't offer any info on setting up - for now I'm using a Hot head. Kathy (who's responding to post in backward order) K PS- I'll have a report of my PMC Level II certification class later. "Pam" wrote in message news:KWzib.114014$%h1.121530@sccrnsc02... My lampwork class was this weekend - it was so great! I don't think I can wait for my husband to put a window and ventilation in the garage (because it will probably take a year for that to happen), so I'm eyeing my laundry room - it's got a window that opens, a ventilation fan in the ceiling...tile floors... it's small, but maybe that is good since I tend to SPREAD all my cr@p out everywhere and small would make me want to stay organized. Do you think it's ok to do it in the house like that? And now I'm eyeing two starter kits: http://www.arrowsprings.com/html/kits.html The Basics - Professional MINOR BURNER OXYGEN REGULATOR PROPANE REGULATOR HOSE SET Regular: $331.00 DISCOUNT PRICE: $297.90 and same stuff (don't know about the brand of the burner) he http://www.artglass1.com/kitslamp4.htm for $269. Has anyone ever ordered from Sundance? Their prices for everything seem really a bunch lower than the other places I'm finding... sometimes you get what you pay for - is this the case with them? Their kilns are also lower priced than most I've been finding... I know I don't need a kiln right off - because I know I need lots of practice... but having a kiln would let me start playing with PMC right off and that would make me really happy too I think... plus there is a PMC certification class in March - so if I started playing now, I might be ready for that by then.... so I'm back to kiln questions. A lot of the kilns I'm finding that have the built in controller and a front door say they are good for PMC, fusing and annealing... but I'm wondering how in the world do you put the beads with the mandrels still on them in the kiln and then close the door - I think the mandrels would stick out too far - see this pictu http://www.artglass1.com/paragon-sc2-1-r.htm and scroll down to where they have the fiber blankets and bead rack set up - do they NOT close the door?? Do they just use the fiber blanket to hold the heat in??? I'm so confused. I thought you had to lock them up tight, let them soak, then ramp the temp down slowly... Ok that's it for now I think... thanks for any responses! Pam |
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Question - can you only use this kiln for batch annealing? How would
you put one bead in at a time - wouldn't it mess up what was going on inside to open the door each time? Secondary question - how does batch annealing work? What do you do with the beads between the time you finish them and putting them in the kiln? Thanks! Karin KDK wrote: Woo hoo!!!! The kiln I have ordered is this one: http://www.hotglassbeads.com/kilnproducts.htm I ordered it because it is 12 inches deep- so it should hold mandrels. I don't have it yet though You can also use a butane torch to fire PMC and the "hot pot". Can't offer any info on setting up - for now I'm using a Hot head. Kathy (who's responding to post in backward order) K PS- I'll have a report of my PMC Level II certification class later. "Pam" wrote in message news:KWzib.114014$%h1.121530@sccrnsc02... My lampwork class was this weekend - it was so great! I don't think I can wait for my husband to put a window and ventilation in the garage (because it will probably take a year for that to happen), so I'm eyeing my laundry room - it's got a window that opens, a ventilation fan in the ceiling...tile floors... it's small, but maybe that is good since I tend to SPREAD all my cr@p out everywhere and small would make me want to stay organized. Do you think it's ok to do it in the house like that? And now I'm eyeing two starter kits: http://www.arrowsprings.com/html/kits.html The Basics - Professional MINOR BURNER OXYGEN REGULATOR PROPANE REGULATOR HOSE SET Regular: $331.00 DISCOUNT PRICE: $297.90 and same stuff (don't know about the brand of the burner) he http://www.artglass1.com/kitslamp4.htm for $269. Has anyone ever ordered from Sundance? Their prices for everything seem really a bunch lower than the other places I'm finding... sometimes you get what you pay for - is this the case with them? Their kilns are also lower priced than most I've been finding... I know I don't need a kiln right off - because I know I need lots of practice... but having a kiln would let me start playing with PMC right off and that would make me really happy too I think... plus there is a PMC certification class in March - so if I started playing now, I might be ready for that by then.... so I'm back to kiln questions. A lot of the kilns I'm finding that have the built in controller and a front door say they are good for PMC, fusing and annealing... but I'm wondering how in the world do you put the beads with the mandrels still on them in the kiln and then close the door - I think the mandrels would stick out too far - see this pictu http://www.artglass1.com/paragon-sc2-1-r.htm and scroll down to where they have the fiber blankets and bead rack set up - do they NOT close the door?? Do they just use the fiber blanket to hold the heat in??? I'm so confused. I thought you had to lock them up tight, let them soak, then ramp the temp down slowly... Ok that's it for now I think... thanks for any responses! Pam |
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that would mean I have to go out side and turn it on and off... in the rain. hmnn... well - hmnn... what if the propane was in the garage which is right next to the laundry room? a hole throught that wall and it's all indoors, yet propane is not technically in the house NO!!!!! OUTSIDE! it it is any "enclosed" space and there is a leak - then there is a high danger of explosion. if the tank is outdoors - and it leaks -- the atmosphere will dilute and carry it all away in less than explosive concentration. Yes -- rain or snow - go out and turn them off - may be a bit of a pain - but worth the safety (I use quick disconnect flashback arrestor combinations -- so you can just go out push/pull and you are done. If the weather is bad - I put the ends of the hose in a plastic bag and wrap them up. in the summer I just drape them over a bench hanging downward). Same for oxygen -- people don't think of it - but oxygen is highly dangerous in "concentration" -- put it outside. I once had an ENTIRE tank leak out in one day-- the day after I got a tank. Not from my valves -- but the tank itself went bad, it developed a leak along the weld where the valve was inserted to the tank! If that had leaked in my workroom - the environment would have been oxygen saturated-- and a highly dangerous situation. Since it leaked outdoors -- it was all gone -- no problem. Cheryl of A HREF="http://www.dragonbeads.com" DRAGON BEADS /A Flameworked beads and glass http://www.dragonbeads.com/ |
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But
that would mean I have to go out side and turn it on and off... in the rain. hmnn... well - hmnn... what if the propane was in the garage which is right next to the laundry room? a hole throught that wall and it's all indoors, yet propane is not technically in the house NO!!!!! OUTSIDE! it it is any "enclosed" space and there is a leak - then there is a high danger of explosion. if the tank is outdoors - and it leaks -- the atmosphere will dilute and carry it all away in less than explosive concentration. Yes -- rain or snow - go out and turn them off - may be a bit of a pain - but worth the safety (I use quick disconnect flashback arrestor combinations -- so you can just go out push/pull and you are done. If the weather is bad - I put the ends of the hose in a plastic bag and wrap them up. in the summer I just drape them over a bench hanging downward). Same for oxygen -- people don't think of it - but oxygen is highly dangerous in "concentration" -- put it outside. I once had an ENTIRE tank leak out in one day-- the day after I got a tank. Not from my valves -- but the tank itself went bad, it developed a leak along the weld where the valve was inserted to the tank! If that had leaked in my workroom - the environment would have been oxygen saturated-- and a highly dangerous situation. Since it leaked outdoors -- it was all gone -- no problem. Cheryl of A HREF="http://www.dragonbeads.com" DRAGON BEADS /A Flameworked beads and glass http://www.dragonbeads.com/ |
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Being the worrier that I am, you REALLY need to have the propane tank
outside (meaning not in an enclosed area.) Here is one possible scenario of having it in the garage: Something happens, you don't realize it but the tank vents (releases the gas into the room). You (or someone else) walk in flip the light switch or open the garage door, you get a spark and kaboom!! Now, here is also a scenario that actually happened to me: I keep my propane outside, but wheel it into the garage while I am working. One day I did this, did the usual start-up procedure, then was called upstairs for a phone call. No problem, I would be right back, or so I thought. I got distracted. When I walked out of my office (about as far away as you can get from the garage and be in the house) I smelled propane. First I thought it was our heater, but then the realization dawned. I yelled for my son to get out of the house and (some might say stupidly) ran down to the garage. I could hardly breathe. I released the garage door opener and opened the door manually to air out the gas. This could have been REALLY bad. Imagine if the tank was stored in the garage and it happened in the middle of the night! Please be safe. Mary Ann http://www.thebeads.com/ http://www.thebeads.com/bulletinboard/ Mary Ann "Pam" wrote in message news:G0Bib.762014$uu5.132181@sccrnsc04... thanks Kandice - excellent suggestion about the range hood! And I was thinking about if I could drill a hole and run my propane in from outside - why not, hubby drilled a hole to the outside when he was trying to run the cable from the upstairs to the kitchen and didn't measure properly ;-) But that would mean I have to go out side and turn it on and off... in the rain. hmnn... well - hmnn... what if the propane was in the garage which is right next to the laundry room? a hole throught that wall and it's all indoors, yet propane is not technically in the house? What about the oxygen - is that safe inside or should that be out in the garage or outside too? I'm going to go reserve that book from the library right now.... thanks Pam |
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Being the worrier that I am, you REALLY need to have the propane tank
outside (meaning not in an enclosed area.) Here is one possible scenario of having it in the garage: Something happens, you don't realize it but the tank vents (releases the gas into the room). You (or someone else) walk in flip the light switch or open the garage door, you get a spark and kaboom!! Now, here is also a scenario that actually happened to me: I keep my propane outside, but wheel it into the garage while I am working. One day I did this, did the usual start-up procedure, then was called upstairs for a phone call. No problem, I would be right back, or so I thought. I got distracted. When I walked out of my office (about as far away as you can get from the garage and be in the house) I smelled propane. First I thought it was our heater, but then the realization dawned. I yelled for my son to get out of the house and (some might say stupidly) ran down to the garage. I could hardly breathe. I released the garage door opener and opened the door manually to air out the gas. This could have been REALLY bad. Imagine if the tank was stored in the garage and it happened in the middle of the night! Please be safe. Mary Ann http://www.thebeads.com/ http://www.thebeads.com/bulletinboard/ Mary Ann "Pam" wrote in message news:G0Bib.762014$uu5.132181@sccrnsc04... thanks Kandice - excellent suggestion about the range hood! And I was thinking about if I could drill a hole and run my propane in from outside - why not, hubby drilled a hole to the outside when he was trying to run the cable from the upstairs to the kitchen and didn't measure properly ;-) But that would mean I have to go out side and turn it on and off... in the rain. hmnn... well - hmnn... what if the propane was in the garage which is right next to the laundry room? a hole throught that wall and it's all indoors, yet propane is not technically in the house? What about the oxygen - is that safe inside or should that be out in the garage or outside too? I'm going to go reserve that book from the library right now.... thanks Pam |
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PS-- having an OXYGEN TANK OR A PROPANE TANK INSIDE YOUR HOUSE
is a VIOLATION OF FIRE CODE in most states - and any any municipality that as adopted the "standard fire code." It will also invalidate your household fire insurance.... Cheryl of A HREF="http://www.dragonbeads.com" DRAGON BEADS /A Flameworked beads and glass http://www.dragonbeads.com/ |
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